Toyota Acceleration Issues
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I can't understand the stories of people who crashed after going 100+ mph in Toyota cars due to unintended acceleration. Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Because there is no unintended acceleration and all you're hearing is stories. (The issue isn't unintended acceleration but that on some Toyotas the gas pedal became stuck when released. People have extrapolated that that could result in the transmission downshifting, etc. but that's not what's claimed. Just like with the Audi issue, its very likely a problem with people panicking and pushing down on the accelerator pedal rather than pushing the brake. In that state of panic, turning off the engine just doesn't occur to people [something that actually has been tested with experimentation.] They don't think of putting the car into neutral either, which to my knowledge can be done with ANY car by law, and especially the cars in question.)
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You can put into neutral gear in an automatic transmission.
Plus its a lot easier to do so, no pesky clutch to deal with. In my car it takes quite a feat of strength to get the car out of gear without a clutch (You know in-case the clutch and the accelerator fail at the same time) wheras in an automatic an accidental tap is enough to bring neutral.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Most modern cars have power steering. If the engine were to be switched off you would then be in the position of not only going quite fast but also of it being potentially difficult to steer out of danger (although the steering should lighten at higher speeds). Best to stand on the brakes to attempt to slow the car to a stop.
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As long as the road is straight, you could briefly switch the key off (not so far that the steering lock engages ofc) until you see the rev needle dropping then switch it back on with the car in neutral. Even without that I'd rather have slightly heavy steering than a fully revving engine It often seems that many people react to a bad situation with the rabbit in the headlight approach. You've got a problem and you can opt to spend the rest of your life ignoring it or you can do something about it.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Most modern cars have power steering. If the engine were to be switched off you would then be in the position of not only going quite fast but also of it being potentially difficult to steer out of danger (although the steering should lighten at higher speeds). Best to stand on the brakes to attempt to slow the car to a stop.
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digital man wrote:
Most modern cars have power steering.
I wondered how long it would take for someone to point out the obvious. Either there are a lot of non-drivers posting here, or the highways are even more dangerous than I thought. Congrats on winning the IQ award for the day. By the way: as I imagine you know, the proper procedure is to put the transmission in neutral. This gives you steering (and brakes) without acceleration
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I am English, and over here only old ladies and bad drivers use automatics...
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a) in some cars you can't turn the engine off while it's driving b) when you're going that fast you don't need power steering.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
in some cars you can't turn the engine off while it's driving
I'm curious as to what cars do that. I keep hearing this claim, but nobody ever names the cars.
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I can't understand the stories of people who crashed after going 100+ mph in Toyota cars due to unintended acceleration. Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Try it yourself with your car. I guarantee you the loss of power-stearing (and the associated heaviness of the stearing due to having to turn the wheels and power stearing system) is just as scary as unintended acceleration. A better question would be; why don't they just limit their speed using the gearbox. And the answer; Americans don't know how to drive manual transmission cars.
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I can't understand the stories of people who crashed after going 100+ mph in Toyota cars due to unintended acceleration. Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Not everyone is a F1 driver. The day people understand this, things would be better. If you can't handle speed, don't play with it. Simple enough, isn't it? And you don't need to die or get injured to understand this.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
in some cars you can't turn the engine off while it's driving
I'm curious as to what cars do that. I keep hearing this claim, but nobody ever names the cars.
The latest Audi A4, for a start.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Most modern cars have power steering. If the engine were to be switched off you would then be in the position of not only going quite fast but also of it being potentially difficult to steer out of danger (although the steering should lighten at higher speeds). Best to stand on the brakes to attempt to slow the car to a stop.
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No, the best is to drop it in Neutral (or apply clutch), then apply the brakes as normal and steer off to the side of the road. And yes, I've been in this position myself. I had an Olds Delta 88 where the throttle stuck wide open and wouldn't release.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Try it yourself with your car. I guarantee you the loss of power-stearing (and the associated heaviness of the stearing due to having to turn the wheels and power stearing system) is just as scary as unintended acceleration. A better question would be; why don't they just limit their speed using the gearbox. And the answer; Americans don't know how to drive manual transmission cars.
J4amieC wrote:
Americans don't know how to drive manual transmission cars.
I do, both with and without a clutch.
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I am English, and over here only old ladies and bad drivers use automatics...
Just racking up the postings
What you talking about? Why have a manual, because you like having to change gears and press clutch pedals the whole time? It's a mindless task which is taken care of for you. Unless you're a 17 year old boy racer that is.
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J4amieC wrote:
Americans don't know how to drive manual transmission cars.
I do, both with and without a clutch.
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DavidCrow wrote:
I do, both with and without a clutch.
Same here, but for the same reasons I don't churn my own butter... I choose not to. ;P
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Same here...
So J4amieC's assertion has been negated twice.
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It's probably because it's a sudden acceleration in a tight space (parkings, ...)
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to 100mph? How big are these parking lots?
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The latest Audi A4, for a start.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Sounds like a bad design/safety issue to me.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Try it yourself with your car. I guarantee you the loss of power-stearing (and the associated heaviness of the stearing due to having to turn the wheels and power stearing system) is just as scary as unintended acceleration. A better question would be; why don't they just limit their speed using the gearbox. And the answer; Americans don't know how to drive manual transmission cars.
J4amieC wrote:
And the answer; Americans don't know how to drive manual transmission cars.
Wow, what a great overgeneralization! Most of the time those are simply false. Kind of like all Brits have bad teeth, because I've never seen one that didn't. I'm sure the previous statement is false. For the most part, manual transmissions are just about dead in the US. The ones that do exist have drastically reduced resale value.
-Sean ---- Fire Nuts
modified on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:34 PM
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Same here...
So J4amieC's assertion has been negated twice.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Man who follows car will be exhausted." - Confucius
Thrice. What's the point of using manual these days? It's kind of like MFC vs .net.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Most modern cars have power steering. If the engine were to be switched off you would then be in the position of not only going quite fast but also of it being potentially difficult to steer out of danger (although the steering should lighten at higher speeds). Best to stand on the brakes to attempt to slow the car to a stop.
Tychotics: take us back to the moon "Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars." H. G. Wells
Having driven a manual transmission car for many many years, my first reaction would be put the car in neutral and brake normally, and then switch off the key once I got stopped. That's just me though. I've got racing experience, and tend to just think that way. I have to agree though 100mph?
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