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  • D Dan Neely

    With enough drugs/booze you won't care about the pain. :-\

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    Harvey Saayman
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    Too bad I don't use drugs or drink for that matter :sigh:

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    • H Harvey Saayman

      Me and some friends started a band about 6 weeks ago. We have our first gig tomorrow night and hundreds of people are coming. I've been practicing some solo's I'm playing to perfect them, solos that require alot of string bending... I now have blisters on my finger tips... :sigh: Any tips from the other guitarists here? CG? Master Yoda?

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      Sean Cundiff
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      Apparently the name of your band is "Bad Grammer". It's kind of catchy go with it. Remember there is no string. Seriously, you're just going to have to suck it up until the callouses build up on your fingers. I remember being back in that stage of guitar playing. Try playing with a cut on the tip of your finger, ouch.

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      • H Harvey Saayman

        Me and some friends started a band about 6 weeks ago. We have our first gig tomorrow night and hundreds of people are coming. I've been practicing some solo's I'm playing to perfect them, solos that require alot of string bending... I now have blisters on my finger tips... :sigh: Any tips from the other guitarists here? CG? Master Yoda?

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        Keith Barrow
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        Erm, not that you'd be able to tell now :sigh:, but I used to row at university. We used to rub our hands with witch-hazel oil to prevent the blisters & toughen the skin up, don't see why it shouldn't work with the guitar. Also (though I didn't try this!) pee supposedly helps in a similar way :~ & X| .

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        • H Harvey Saayman

          Me and some friends started a band about 6 weeks ago. We have our first gig tomorrow night and hundreds of people are coming. I've been practicing some solo's I'm playing to perfect them, solos that require alot of string bending... I now have blisters on my finger tips... :sigh: Any tips from the other guitarists here? CG? Master Yoda?

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          Joe Simes
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          You might try some of that fake skin junk you paint on over cuts but I think you are gonna have to just deal with it until the blisters heal and the calluses form. But think of how cool you will look at the end of the night when your fingers are all bloody! :thumbsup:

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          • H Harvey Saayman

            Me and some friends started a band about 6 weeks ago. We have our first gig tomorrow night and hundreds of people are coming. I've been practicing some solo's I'm playing to perfect them, solos that require alot of string bending... I now have blisters on my finger tips... :sigh: Any tips from the other guitarists here? CG? Master Yoda?

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            Robert Surtees
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            When you're done with the set, channel Ringo and yell "I've got blisters on my fingers"

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            • H Harvey Saayman

              Me and some friends started a band about 6 weeks ago. We have our first gig tomorrow night and hundreds of people are coming. I've been practicing some solo's I'm playing to perfect them, solos that require alot of string bending... I now have blisters on my finger tips... :sigh: Any tips from the other guitarists here? CG? Master Yoda?

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              Christian Graus
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              If you're not improvising anything, then you just need to practice until you're tight. It's a good idea to practice your songs a bit faster than you expect to play them live for two reasons: 1 - if you can play them too fast, you can easily play them at the right speed 2 - everyone plays faster than they mean to, live And, warm up before you start ( that is, do some exercises just before you go on, so that you're warmed up to play ) If you have trouble bending, as well as making sure you reinforce the bends, look at your string guage. If it's really heavy ( and a lot of people use heavy strings b/c they hear they sound better ) try something lighter. I use medium-light strings for rock and medium-heavy strings for blues, b/c it sounds different when I really have to work on the bend. But, I used to use 10-52s to be like SRV, and put a 12 on the bottom. I thought for ages that bending was just something people say, b/c I didn't think it was possible to do.

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              • H Harvey Saayman

                Me and some friends started a band about 6 weeks ago. We have our first gig tomorrow night and hundreds of people are coming. I've been practicing some solo's I'm playing to perfect them, solos that require alot of string bending... I now have blisters on my finger tips... :sigh: Any tips from the other guitarists here? CG? Master Yoda?

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                Pete OHanlon
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                The only way to build the calluses is to just keep practicing the bends; remember though that a lot of people can't really tell when you're bending a string, so you can sometimes cheat and slide up to simulate it. Alternatively, if you have a floating trem, that can help. I used to punch into sand with my fingers splayed and that helped somewhat. Other people recommend soaking your fingers in urine, but I don't think I'd want to try that one. Now, when you practice your bends, how are you backing up the bend? Do you use three fingers to push into the bend? Two? One? Practice them all, and remember to lead into your vibrato - don't just bend the string and apply vibrato immediately; ease into it to get more of a singing sound.

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                • P Pete OHanlon

                  The only way to build the calluses is to just keep practicing the bends; remember though that a lot of people can't really tell when you're bending a string, so you can sometimes cheat and slide up to simulate it. Alternatively, if you have a floating trem, that can help. I used to punch into sand with my fingers splayed and that helped somewhat. Other people recommend soaking your fingers in urine, but I don't think I'd want to try that one. Now, when you practice your bends, how are you backing up the bend? Do you use three fingers to push into the bend? Two? One? Practice them all, and remember to lead into your vibrato - don't just bend the string and apply vibrato immediately; ease into it to get more of a singing sound.

                  "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

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                  Christian Graus
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                  Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                  remember though that a lot of people can't really tell when you're bending a string

                  really ? Slides are their own effect. I didn't realise he was saying he has trouble bending strings ? Yes, reinforcing bends is important. The other thing tho: I read that Stevie Ray Vaughan used 52-10s with a 12 on the high E string, so I did the same. No way I could bend those strings.

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                  • H Harvey Saayman

                    Me and some friends started a band about 6 weeks ago. We have our first gig tomorrow night and hundreds of people are coming. I've been practicing some solo's I'm playing to perfect them, solos that require alot of string bending... I now have blisters on my finger tips... :sigh: Any tips from the other guitarists here? CG? Master Yoda?

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                    http://www.wikihow.com/Ease-Finger-Soreness-when-Learning-to-Play-Guitar[^] http://leathercallus.com/[^] Good luck!!

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                      remember though that a lot of people can't really tell when you're bending a string

                      really ? Slides are their own effect. I didn't realise he was saying he has trouble bending strings ? Yes, reinforcing bends is important. The other thing tho: I read that Stevie Ray Vaughan used 52-10s with a 12 on the high E string, so I did the same. No way I could bend those strings.

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                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      really ? Slides are their own effect.

                      Indeed, but stop listening as a musician. I should have added that this only works for quick bends; if you've got to sustain it more then you have to go the whole hog.

                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      I read that Stevie Ray Vaughan used 52-10s with a 12 on the high E string, so I did the same.

                      I did that for a while - it takes some getting used to, and you have to adjust the springs on your trem to support it, but it does sound great. I moved up to 4 springs to counteract the tension.

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                      • H Harvey Saayman

                        Too bad I don't use drugs or drink for that matter :sigh:

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                        Harvey S wrote:

                        Too bad I don't use drugs or drink for that matter

                        And you're starting a band??? ;) Marc

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                          Me and some friends started a band about 6 weeks ago. We have our first gig tomorrow night and hundreds of people are coming. I've been practicing some solo's I'm playing to perfect them, solos that require alot of string bending... I now have blisters on my finger tips... :sigh: Any tips from the other guitarists here? CG? Master Yoda?

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                          Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                          I usually advice practicing before getting the gigs so the blisters are just callouses. (Your blisters will eventually callous over)

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                          • M Marc Clifton

                            Harvey S wrote:

                            Too bad I don't use drugs or drink for that matter

                            And you're starting a band??? ;) Marc

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                            Why not? Other notable hell raisers such as the Osmonds and these guys[^] did it.

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                              Why not? Other notable hell raisers such as the Osmonds and these guys[^] did it.

                              "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                              As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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                              Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                              Why not? Other notable hell raisers such as the Osmonds and these guys[^] did it.

                              I was just teasing. It seems pretty stereotypical that people starting a band are doing lots of drugs. Makes them sound better, at least to themselves! Marc

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                                Me and some friends started a band about 6 weeks ago. We have our first gig tomorrow night and hundreds of people are coming. I've been practicing some solo's I'm playing to perfect them, solos that require alot of string bending... I now have blisters on my finger tips... :sigh: Any tips from the other guitarists here? CG? Master Yoda?

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                                Pete OHanlon
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                                I may have misunderstood your post, so here goes my other advice. Enjoy yourself, and try to relax - as CG says, you'll end up playing too fast if you don't. Have your playlist written down and taped somewhere visible - I used to like the back of my monitors for it. Include the settings for your FX pedals on there (and have plenty of spare batteries if they need them). Have multiple guitars available tuned and retuned, on guitar stands; have multiple plectrums available somewhere easy to get to. The reason you need them tuned and retuned is that you'll tune them, then they'll go out of tune if there's too much humidity in the room. I used to have an electronic tuner in my FX chain so that I could check the tuning between tracks, I'd just switch over to that channel and I could fine tune without anybody having to hear it. Also, have spare guitar leads available just in case one goes belly up before the gig. Have plenty of water onstage in a bottle - you will sweat on stage. Finally, try not to dribble - if you concentrate too much when you're playing (which you will because you'll want to nail it), a little bit of drool will escape as your facial muscles go limp.

                                "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                                As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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                                  Why not? Other notable hell raisers such as the Osmonds and these guys[^] did it.

                                  "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                                  As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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                                  The Osmonds??!! Oh for Pete's sake... :doh:

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                                    If you're not improvising anything, then you just need to practice until you're tight. It's a good idea to practice your songs a bit faster than you expect to play them live for two reasons: 1 - if you can play them too fast, you can easily play them at the right speed 2 - everyone plays faster than they mean to, live And, warm up before you start ( that is, do some exercises just before you go on, so that you're warmed up to play ) If you have trouble bending, as well as making sure you reinforce the bends, look at your string guage. If it's really heavy ( and a lot of people use heavy strings b/c they hear they sound better ) try something lighter. I use medium-light strings for rock and medium-heavy strings for blues, b/c it sounds different when I really have to work on the bend. But, I used to use 10-52s to be like SRV, and put a 12 on the bottom. I thought for ages that bending was just something people say, b/c I didn't think it was possible to do.

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                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    practice your songs a bit faster

                                    I do that :) and I do it with a metronome

                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    If you have trouble bending

                                    No trouble at all

                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    look at your string guage

                                    I play 9-42's, ernie ball super slinkys I think the reason for this damn blister is cause the solo I've been practicing is on the 18th fret so there's more tension down there...

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                                      Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                      Why not? Other notable hell raisers such as the Osmonds and these guys[^] did it.

                                      I was just teasing. It seems pretty stereotypical that people starting a band are doing lots of drugs. Makes them sound better, at least to themselves! Marc

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                                      I just thought it was time to link to a holy-rollin' heavy metal band; Stryper, Gods Glam Metal act.

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                                        The only way to build the calluses is to just keep practicing the bends; remember though that a lot of people can't really tell when you're bending a string, so you can sometimes cheat and slide up to simulate it. Alternatively, if you have a floating trem, that can help. I used to punch into sand with my fingers splayed and that helped somewhat. Other people recommend soaking your fingers in urine, but I don't think I'd want to try that one. Now, when you practice your bends, how are you backing up the bend? Do you use three fingers to push into the bend? Two? One? Practice them all, and remember to lead into your vibrato - don't just bend the string and apply vibrato immediately; ease into it to get more of a singing sound.

                                        "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                                        As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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                                        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                        if you have a floating trem

                                        I do, tried using the whammy instead of bending but that'll take too long to practice and nail.

                                        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                        ? Do you use three fingers to push into the bend? Two? One?

                                        Only one, I'll try two so there's less force on the blistered finger.

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                                          Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                          if you have a floating trem

                                          I do, tried using the whammy instead of bending but that'll take too long to practice and nail.

                                          Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                          ? Do you use three fingers to push into the bend? Two? One?

                                          Only one, I'll try two so there's less force on the blistered finger.

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                                          Pete OHanlon
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                                          Harvey S wrote:

                                          I'll try two so there's less force on the blistered finger

                                          That's my preferred method - it gives you support, and it doesn't get in the way when you want to do a wide vibrato.

                                          "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                                          As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

                                          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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