CodeProject is Dead
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That's a pessimistic way of looking at it. The article posting thing is actually reasonably easily fixed (easy == about a weekend's worth of work. Anyone got a spare weekend they can loan me?) and the message board thing can also be fixed - if it's a real issue - by doing things like only allowing silver (or above) members from posting. Would that be useful though? Would it kill the spirit and make the barrier to entry (and fun) too high? On the other hand post ratings may be the way to go, with associated post filtering. We're a long way from dead ;) cheers, Chris Maunder
I should probably post this in the suggestion area but... Chris Maunder wrote: Anyone got a spare weekend they can loan me? In about 3 weeks I could start donating soem time to go through some articles... Chris Maunder wrote: by doing things like only allowing silver (or above) members from posting. NO, wrong... bad idea X| We need to keep all areas open to people that want to post. I WOULD recomend that we restrict posting to those that are not members. If someone wants to post then they should go through the process to become a member. We can give all annons thier own message area to wallow in if they need it.... I think that the article issues that have cropped up lately could be addressed with a bit of creativity... 1 - Never show the unedited / unapproved articles anywhere on the site unless people go to view them. Don;t list them as new on the front page at all. 2 - Allow people to be notified via email (OR desktop Bob :-D ) when new articles in thier subscribed area of interest are available. 3 - People can go view the new articles and vote on them before they appear on the site. 4 - If the article get sa good enough vote within a certain time period it becomes available for the general public to read off of the front page and via search.
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That's a pessimistic way of looking at it. The article posting thing is actually reasonably easily fixed (easy == about a weekend's worth of work. Anyone got a spare weekend they can loan me?) and the message board thing can also be fixed - if it's a real issue - by doing things like only allowing silver (or above) members from posting. Would that be useful though? Would it kill the spirit and make the barrier to entry (and fun) too high? On the other hand post ratings may be the way to go, with associated post filtering. We're a long way from dead ;) cheers, Chris Maunder
Keep it simple, is my vote. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Maybe I'm just grumpy. BTW, the www.codetools.com URL stopped working for me today. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Ditto. www.codetools.com died over the weekend for my DNS servers. I guess Chris just let that domain finally run out. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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It's finally happened. CodeProject has become a victim of its own usefulness and popularity. We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. What's the point any more? Chris can't possibly hope to curtail the rampant misuse of the self-submitted article system, and moderating the lounge is opens up a legal can of worms where liability is concerned (on Chris' part). Welcome to perdition. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Trolls ? :suss: I need the practice :-D Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Considering almost everything I read from you is a gripe, why do you keep coming back? Why waste your time? BW "I've been accused of vulgarity. I say that's bullshit." - Mel Brooks.
Because it's obvious that I'm needed here. Just ask Chris. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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That's a pessimistic way of looking at it. The article posting thing is actually reasonably easily fixed (easy == about a weekend's worth of work. Anyone got a spare weekend they can loan me?) and the message board thing can also be fixed - if it's a real issue - by doing things like only allowing silver (or above) members from posting. Would that be useful though? Would it kill the spirit and make the barrier to entry (and fun) too high? On the other hand post ratings may be the way to go, with associated post filtering. We're a long way from dead ;) cheers, Chris Maunder
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It's finally happened. CodeProject has become a victim of its own usefulness and popularity. We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. What's the point any more? Chris can't possibly hope to curtail the rampant misuse of the self-submitted article system, and moderating the lounge is opens up a legal can of worms where liability is concerned (on Chris' part). Welcome to perdition. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: CodeProject has become a victim of its own usefulness and popularity. We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. You think so? Seems a tad dramatic. I'm comparitively new here, but I'd say 70% of threads have some level of interest in them, which is pretty high for anywhere on the internet. The rest I just skip as soon as I see what they're about. Or maybe I'm just a moronic troll who finds interest in purile things. The more people that come in, the more there are to help people out when they run into problems and the more there are to write articles (which is what brings more people in than anything else). The only "problem" that needs resolving is the dubious and/or useless articles that get posted, diminishing the value of a strongly written article that someone has clearly spent time on. This is a tricky problem to resolve though, for greater minds than mine. Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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That's a pessimistic way of looking at it. The article posting thing is actually reasonably easily fixed (easy == about a weekend's worth of work. Anyone got a spare weekend they can loan me?) and the message board thing can also be fixed - if it's a real issue - by doing things like only allowing silver (or above) members from posting. Would that be useful though? Would it kill the spirit and make the barrier to entry (and fun) too high? On the other hand post ratings may be the way to go, with associated post filtering. We're a long way from dead ;) cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: That's a pessimistic way of looking at it. Ya know, this weekend I was contemplating the fact that I've been mad for a very long time, and at a lot of things (and not just existing things, but new things too). The part that kind of worries me is that I see no reason not to continue being mad. Chris Maunder wrote: by doing things like only allowing silver (or above) members from posting I don't think there's a good way to fix it, Chris. I guess I just grew tired of the idiot that keeps asking someoneone to help with his 500-word paper. Troll? Maybe. Annoying? Most certainly. How about this: Allow us to filter on a member ID (kinda like a kill file). ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Chris Maunder wrote: That's a pessimistic way of looking at it. Ya know, this weekend I was contemplating the fact that I've been mad for a very long time, and at a lot of things (and not just existing things, but new things too). The part that kind of worries me is that I see no reason not to continue being mad. Chris Maunder wrote: by doing things like only allowing silver (or above) members from posting I don't think there's a good way to fix it, Chris. I guess I just grew tired of the idiot that keeps asking someoneone to help with his 500-word paper. Troll? Maybe. Annoying? Most certainly. How about this: Allow us to filter on a member ID (kinda like a kill file). ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: How about this: Allow us to filter on a member ID (kinda like a kill file). But then you have gaps in the post-tree. It looks freaky and the post you miss may be crucial to what someone you don't have filtered is saying...
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Chris Maunder wrote: That's a pessimistic way of looking at it. Ya know, this weekend I was contemplating the fact that I've been mad for a very long time, and at a lot of things (and not just existing things, but new things too). The part that kind of worries me is that I see no reason not to continue being mad. Chris Maunder wrote: by doing things like only allowing silver (or above) members from posting I don't think there's a good way to fix it, Chris. I guess I just grew tired of the idiot that keeps asking someoneone to help with his 500-word paper. Troll? Maybe. Annoying? Most certainly. How about this: Allow us to filter on a member ID (kinda like a kill file). ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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It's finally happened. CodeProject has become a victim of its own usefulness and popularity. We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. What's the point any more? Chris can't possibly hope to curtail the rampant misuse of the self-submitted article system, and moderating the lounge is opens up a legal can of worms where liability is concerned (on Chris' part). Welcome to perdition. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. I don't think we have. I think the number is increasing steadily, but it's not like the Hun's overrunning the Roman empire. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: What's the point any more? IMO, same as it always was. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Chris can't possibly hope to curtail the rampant misuse of the self-submitted article system I agree on this one - the site is being overrun with articles that basically say the same thing as each other, and a small proportion of the self edited articles are REALLY bad. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: moderating the lounge is opens up a legal can of worms where liability is concerned (on Chris' part). The lounge IS moderated. Anything too bad gets moved to the soap box. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Because it's obvious that I'm needed here. Just ask Chris. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
LOL. And while John may have been joking (but probably wasn't) in a special way he's totally right :) cheers, Chris Maunder
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Considering almost everything I read from you is a gripe, why do you keep coming back? Why waste your time? BW "I've been accused of vulgarity. I say that's bullshit." - Mel Brooks.
John is a crucial part of our quality control process! Without his subtle hints to those who stray from the one true path, this site might quickly degenerate into one of those sophomoric, vapid group blogs that we all despise. "Another day done; all targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly." - Jennie Agard, McGuckin Hardware Systems Manager
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Chris Maunder wrote: On the other hand post ratings may be the way to go, with associated post filtering. I know this isn't the suggestions forum, but maybe allow silver and above to rank the posts. The ranking only appears on there ASP page. 3 choices. Inappropriate, OK, On-Topic. My real concern is having Inappropriate posts linked to the top of the Index page. ( But at the end of the day it's your site ) As to the " Codeproject is Dead " statement, I disagree CP is evolving when it stops evolving it then risks having a death. The interesting thing is I'm sure CP has evolved in ways that "you" the originators never imagined. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: I know this isn't the suggestions forum, but maybe allow silver and above to rank the posts. The ranking only appears on there ASP page. 3 choices. Inappropriate, OK, On-Topic. Ah, that put me on to something. How about editors/site-builders/sysadmins are allowed to edit the posts and move them around and delete them. That would make sense considering these few people are among the trusted...and at least one of them is almost always on. Besides, getting more editors would be helpful in that respect and in taking care of the article backlog. We could even do it in conjunction with Gold members and above voting on the stuff. That way an editor can look at how many people have voted what for a post and can see if he should remove or edit it. What do you think?
You will now find yourself in a wonderous, magical place, filled with talking gnomes, mythical squirrels, and, almost as an afterthought, your bookmarks -Shog9 teaching Mel Feik how to bookmark
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John is a crucial part of our quality control process! Without his subtle hints to those who stray from the one true path, this site might quickly degenerate into one of those sophomoric, vapid group blogs that we all despise. "Another day done; all targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly." - Jennie Agard, McGuckin Hardware Systems Manager
Roger Wright wrote: Without his subtle hints to those who stray Subtle?!?!? John is anything but subtle...:laugh:
You will now find yourself in a wonderous, magical place, filled with talking gnomes, mythical squirrels, and, almost as an afterthought, your bookmarks -Shog9 teaching Mel Feik how to bookmark
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. I don't think we have. I think the number is increasing steadily, but it's not like the Hun's overrunning the Roman empire. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: What's the point any more? IMO, same as it always was. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Chris can't possibly hope to curtail the rampant misuse of the self-submitted article system I agree on this one - the site is being overrun with articles that basically say the same thing as each other, and a small proportion of the self edited articles are REALLY bad. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: moderating the lounge is opens up a legal can of worms where liability is concerned (on Chris' part). The lounge IS moderated. Anything too bad gets moved to the soap box. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
For my edification, what's the real problem here? - Is it that articles are being posted that you don't want to see? - Is the lounge getting to many programming questions? - what is specifically wrong with the self- submitted articles? - Are the forum questions not appropriate for your level (i.e. you being advanced and many of the people using this site are not? - Are to many people people submitting articles with the intention of selling their wares? Not being critical here, just trying to get a better understanding and narrow down the problem area (90% of the solution is understanding the problem).
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Roger Wright wrote: Without his subtle hints to those who stray Subtle?!?!? John is anything but subtle...:laugh:
You will now find yourself in a wonderous, magical place, filled with talking gnomes, mythical squirrels, and, almost as an afterthought, your bookmarks -Shog9 teaching Mel Feik how to bookmark
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For my edification, what's the real problem here? - Is it that articles are being posted that you don't want to see? - Is the lounge getting to many programming questions? - what is specifically wrong with the self- submitted articles? - Are the forum questions not appropriate for your level (i.e. you being advanced and many of the people using this site are not? - Are to many people people submitting articles with the intention of selling their wares? Not being critical here, just trying to get a better understanding and narrow down the problem area (90% of the solution is understanding the problem).
My guess is, a little of each. As the traffic on CP increases, what were once occasional problems are now becoming more common... The occasional short article on a trivial topic can actually be useful; 5 poorly-written takes on a simple concept just confuse beginners and annoy veterans. Simple questions are fine, but once the ratio of advanced to simple is tipped too far by people unwilling to do any research on their own, the feeling that you're making a difference by taking the time to answer questions starts to dissipate (seriously, anyone visiting *this* site who doesn't know how to use MSDN should be slapped). One programming question in the wrong place once in a while can be ignored or flamed. 10 a week start to piss people off. People begging for "help" with their homework are *always* annoying.
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So they took me down to the gallows And this boy, he said to me: "Why do you smile, when the rope's around your neck?" I said, "I tell you boy, when i get back..."
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It's finally happened. CodeProject has become a victim of its own usefulness and popularity. We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. What's the point any more? Chris can't possibly hope to curtail the rampant misuse of the self-submitted article system, and moderating the lounge is opens up a legal can of worms where liability is concerned (on Chris' part). Welcome to perdition. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
It's just that time of year again. I kid you not - remember back to the start of Winter a year ago and we had the same crap for a short period. It will go away again, I always do--I meant it always does. My guess is that is comes with the new school terms - that would explain the influx in activty.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
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LOL. And while John may have been joking (but probably wasn't) in a special way he's totally right :) cheers, Chris Maunder
Or is it just that no one dares stand up to him? ;)
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})