CodeProject is Dead
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For my edification, what's the real problem here? - Is it that articles are being posted that you don't want to see? - Is the lounge getting to many programming questions? - what is specifically wrong with the self- submitted articles? - Are the forum questions not appropriate for your level (i.e. you being advanced and many of the people using this site are not? - Are to many people people submitting articles with the intention of selling their wares? Not being critical here, just trying to get a better understanding and narrow down the problem area (90% of the solution is understanding the problem).
I'm just generally in a bad mood all the time, and it really doesn't take much to push me over the edge. The problems: 1) Crap articles from people who apparently just want to earn their gold rating, or who thinkthat a single paragraph is enough. 2) People that post crap messages in the lounge. If you want a guarantee that I'll trip offline and go directly in asshole mode, ask for advice about your love life (or lack thereof). I would rather ask a 1-percenter for advice like that than ask the same question here. 3) People that ask us to do their homework. 4) Bill Sergio. 90% of the solution is a bullet in the heads of the offenders. Then, maybe, they'll understand that they were the problem. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Welcome to perdition You need either a big party with some friends either a nice week end alone in a forest. :) IMHO CP is old enough to survive this kind of temporary troubles, too many are addicted.
Who gives a f*ck If my life sucks ? I just know one day I won't give up Beg For Me/KoЯn
Believe me when I say that a weekend would not be NEARLY long enough. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Chris Maunder wrote: We're a long way from dead Indeed! Newbies tend to abuse the Forum while they're getting used to the tone of the place, and we've had a large influx of them recently. Once they learn the proper habits things will get back to normal. "Another day done; all targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly." - Jennie Agard, McGuckin Hardware Systems Manager
Roger Wright wrote: Indeed! Newbies tend to abuse the Forum while they're getting used to the tone of the place, and we've had a large influx of them recently. Once they learn the proper habits things will get back to normal. Thats exatly whats going on... Codeproject.com is a very unique online experience...it's the place I attend on a regular basis and like most hardcore web site surfers I visit about 50-60 sites a day(mostly unique)... Codeproject is an actual online community not just a repository for articles and code dumps. I know many other places have attempted to acheive this, but they have failed (IMO) when compared to CP... Long live CP Cheers! "An expert is someone who has made all the mistakes in his or her field" - Niels Bohr
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Believe me when I say that a weekend would not be NEARLY long enough. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Did I found a weak point ? (hard to exploit, I agree) :-D
Yes I know my enemies They're the teachers who taught me to fight me Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite All of which are American dreams Know Your Enemy/Rage Against the Machine
A weak point? Yeah. Insult the hell out of me and it just rolls off my back; say something nice and I turn into an Outlaw Programmer ;P Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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It's finally happened. CodeProject has become a victim of its own usefulness and popularity. We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. What's the point any more? Chris can't possibly hope to curtail the rampant misuse of the self-submitted article system, and moderating the lounge is opens up a legal can of worms where liability is concerned (on Chris' part). Welcome to perdition. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John, it's spelled puerile.
Software Zen:
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For my edification, what's the real problem here? - Is it that articles are being posted that you don't want to see? - Is the lounge getting to many programming questions? - what is specifically wrong with the self- submitted articles? - Are the forum questions not appropriate for your level (i.e. you being advanced and many of the people using this site are not? - Are to many people people submitting articles with the intention of selling their wares? Not being critical here, just trying to get a better understanding and narrow down the problem area (90% of the solution is understanding the problem).
ez2 wrote: Are the forum questions not appropriate for your level (i.e. you being advanced and many of the people using this site are not? No, that's never a problem, although it's annoying the people often don't do any looking themselves, so many questions are MSDN101. But I have no problem with answering any questions, I was a beginner too, once. ez2 wrote: Is it that articles are being posted that you don't want to see? No, that's always been the case, I just don't look at those ones. ez2 wrote: Is the lounge getting to many programming questions? Sometimes. ez2 wrote: what is specifically wrong with the self- submitted articles? some of them are plain crap, others just rehash stuff already covered here. The weight of bad articles makes good ones harder to search for. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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FWIW, and I say this perfectly aware that it wasn't me you were asking ;P ez2 wrote: Is it that articles are being posted that you don't want to see? No. Just take a look through some of the articles coming in. Remember that a lot of new people that come into this site find it by searching for a solution to a problem (in my case, it was how to upload a file to a database using ASP.NET) and thinking "well, how much more useful stuff can I find here?". If instead they find five answers to one question and they're all crap (10-lines of text and an attached example), they won't look around and Chris doesn't get his advertising money. I submitted my first article yesterday and I'm honestly surprised at the positive response I've had from it. I wouldn't have been offended if it had been sent back with suggestions for improvement and if it had been a subject already covered (although I had searched) then I would have expected it to be refused. There's a tricky line between being open and being flooded by dross. If you're not open enough then it stinks of elitism and people stop submitting. If you're too open then too many people post dross and the authors who spend days and weeks over their articles don't see any personal satisfaction in being published. Think about it, it's not a simple predicament. ez2 wrote: Is the lounge getting to many programming questions? No, it's getting too many answers to programming questions. If people would let David Stone, Forum Police flame them gently they'd move to the right area but if people keep answering then people will keep posting them here in the lounge for the highest viewing figures. ez2 wrote: what is specifically wrong with the self- submitted articles? That they appear on the new articles list and people can't help looking only to find that they're not very good. And a certain set of pictures that got posted (and VERY quickly removed) recently kinda brought it to a head. ez2 wrote: Are the forum questions not appropriate for your level (i.e. you being advanced and many of the people using this site are not? Again, I think most are pretty good. Conversations here are a much higher level than anywhere I have previously spent time on the internet. In a world of so many highly controversial subjects as we have there's very little name-calling, etc, here. People have a point, they state it, no grudges s
Paul Riley wrote: People have a point, they state it, no grudges seem to be held. Yeah, as someone who is very opinionated, I appreciate that about this place. Paul Riley wrote: Every now and then some 15 year old comes along and asks someone to do their homework for them and all hell breaks loose. You have to admit it's fun though :-) Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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It's finally happened. CodeProject has become a victim of its own usefulness and popularity. We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. What's the point any more? Chris can't possibly hope to curtail the rampant misuse of the self-submitted article system, and moderating the lounge is opens up a legal can of worms where liability is concerned (on Chris' part). Welcome to perdition. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John, the only thing I miss is having you regulary in the Lounge. These days you only ever post to comment negatively. At least back then your staggering layers of obscenity and cutting remarks were fun to read. Sure some people got rubbed up the wrong way by you, but hey we aren't here to make new bum chums are we. Anyway, my 2 cents :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaRay Cassick wrote: Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watson
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A weak point? Yeah. Insult the hell out of me and it just rolls off my back; say something nice and I turn into an Outlaw Programmer ;P Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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What a strange inversion! Englishmen reputation might be true after all :omg:;P:)
Who gives a f*ck If my life sucks ? I just know one day I won't give up Beg For Me/KoЯn
KaЯl wrote: What a strange inversion! Englishmen reputation might be true after all :whispering: Okay, I'll let you into a little secret. We love people to say nice things as much as anyone else but we have to be tough about it, so we just joke it off. But it is true that I really don't care when people insult me. I don't need the validation of others like some people do and nobody could come close to matching my mother for verbal demoralisation. :laugh: Besides, when it comes from you specifically then I know you're kidding. Despite popular opinion, it seems the French do have a sense of humour ;P Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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Paul Riley wrote: People have a point, they state it, no grudges seem to be held. Yeah, as someone who is very opinionated, I appreciate that about this place. Paul Riley wrote: Every now and then some 15 year old comes along and asks someone to do their homework for them and all hell breaks loose. You have to admit it's fun though :-) Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, as someone who is very opinionated, I appreciate that about this place. :laugh: You and me both. Christian Graus wrote: You have to admit it's fun though I wouldn't deny that. That guy the other night needed a good virtual slapping, but the funny thing is that he got one and even then it was a nice diplomatic slapping. :-D Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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KaЯl wrote: What a strange inversion! Englishmen reputation might be true after all :whispering: Okay, I'll let you into a little secret. We love people to say nice things as much as anyone else but we have to be tough about it, so we just joke it off. But it is true that I really don't care when people insult me. I don't need the validation of others like some people do and nobody could come close to matching my mother for verbal demoralisation. :laugh: Besides, when it comes from you specifically then I know you're kidding. Despite popular opinion, it seems the French do have a sense of humour ;P Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
Paul Riley wrote: I don't need the validation of others I agree, it's hard enough to follow its own conscience. Paul Riley wrote: I know you're kidding Yes, I do :) . If I wasn't, there wouldn't be any risk of confusion :-D Paul Riley wrote: it seems the French do have a sense of humour We are a cultural melting pot, we try to get the best from others . But we still have a long way to do to reach the english level. Our main weakness is that our humour is mainly aggressive and targeted (as you probably noticed it already :-O), I have to improve on this point.
Who gives a f*ck If my life sucks ? I just know one day I won't give up Beg For Me/KoЯn
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A weak point? Yeah. Insult the hell out of me and it just rolls off my back; say something nice and I turn into an Outlaw Programmer ;P Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
say something nice and I turn into an Outlaw Programmer There *are* worse things you could be. :) ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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say something nice and I turn into an Outlaw Programmer There *are* worse things you could be. :) ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: There *are* worse things you could be. :-D I quite agree to be honest, John. Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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Paul Riley wrote: I don't need the validation of others I agree, it's hard enough to follow its own conscience. Paul Riley wrote: I know you're kidding Yes, I do :) . If I wasn't, there wouldn't be any risk of confusion :-D Paul Riley wrote: it seems the French do have a sense of humour We are a cultural melting pot, we try to get the best from others . But we still have a long way to do to reach the english level. Our main weakness is that our humour is mainly aggressive and targeted (as you probably noticed it already :-O), I have to improve on this point.
Who gives a f*ck If my life sucks ? I just know one day I won't give up Beg For Me/KoЯn
KaЯl wrote: Our main weakness is that our humour is mainly aggressive and targeted (as you probably noticed it already ), I have to improve on this point. Screw that. There's nothing wrong with aggressive humour. Stop trying to be so nice. :) [digressing more than I already have] I notice all over the news that the French (specifically Chirac and Gaymard) have managed to really piss Tony Blair off. I'm feeling particularly pro-France today :laugh:. Clickety[^] Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: There *are* worse things you could be. :-D I quite agree to be honest, John. Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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nitnitnit... bootlicker :laugh:
Who gives a f*ck If my life sucks ? I just know one day I won't give up Beg For Me/KoЯn
KaЯl wrote: nitnitnit... bootlicker :-D Not at all. See my profile, see my ambition in life. If John isn't already halfway there, I don't know who is. Too many nice people in this world, that's my opinion. :) Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand