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  • C Chris Losinger

    anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

       01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
    
       01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
          05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                   INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
          05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                   INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
    

    i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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    Steve Mayfield
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    Isn't that part of the start up code for Cylons...oh wait, that's "Lords of Kobol" :laugh:

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    • C Chris Losinger

      anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

         01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
      
         01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
            05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                     INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
            05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                     INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
      

      i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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       01 SORRY-CHRIS                                          PIC YOUR-NAME(LANCELOT).
       
       01 I-DON'T-KNOW.
         05 IDK OCCURS 100 TIMES
                INDEXED BY I-REALLY-DON'T-KNOW                 PIC A-COLOUR(BLUE).
         05 IDK-2 OCCURS 1520 TIMES
                INDEXED BY WHAT-IS-THE-CAPITAL-OF-ASSYRIA      I-DON'T-KNOW-THAT(NONE).  
      

      Output is apparently "Arrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!"

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      • C Chris Losinger

        Andy Brummer wrote:

        a bunch of 2 byte integers with 4 bytes left over

        hmm... yeah, i suppose that could be it. the 'leftover bytes' feels stupid and wrong, but maybe i should just get over that... i'll give it a try!

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        modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 4:38 PM

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        4 bytes left over Maybe the 4 extra bytes are for the array index variables (K01-1-X & K02-1-X)

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        • C Chris Losinger

          anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

             01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
          
             01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                         INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                         INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
          

          i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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          01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).
          01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.
          05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES
          INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
          05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES
          INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

          maybe becomes :confused:

          union {
          {
          PIC MEMORY-AREA-ONE X[2816];
          struct {
          PIC K01-1-X;
          PIC K01-1[37];
          PIC K02-1-X;
          PIC K02-1[1369];
          } COMP-5
          };

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          • C Chris Losinger

            Andy Brummer wrote:

            a bunch of 2 byte integers with 4 bytes left over

            hmm... yeah, i suppose that could be it. the 'leftover bytes' feels stupid and wrong, but maybe i should just get over that... i'll give it a try!

            image processing toolkits | batch image processing

            modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 4:38 PM

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            Chris Losinger wrote:

            'leftover bytes' feels stupid

            COBOL programmers were never known to be sticklers for programming best practices. COBOL, like VB, allows non-programmers to think they can program. I have many years of experience in technical support (we programmed in assembler on IBM mainframes) supporting COBOL shops, and I have the scars to prove it.

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            • D Douglas Troy

              This is nothing more than a string (alphanumeric) 2816 characters

              Chris Losinger wrote:

              01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).

              that second section

              Chris Losinger wrote:

              01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE. 05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5. 05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

              Pic 9(04) COMP-5 is a 4 byte numeric stored in machine independent format Essentially, those two lines redefine the space originally defined by MEMORY-AREA-ONE into two blocks of unsigned 16-bit integers. I cannot recall what the INDEXED allows you to do anymore ... Not sure any of that helps you ... [edit] You might also considering hitting up the COBOL User Groups[^] for help with this, and/or other COBOL related issues you might have. Just a thought.


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              modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 5:51 PM

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              Douglas Troy wrote:

              I cannot recall what the INDEXED allows you to do anymore ..

              i think that defines an iterator/pointer that's initialized to the start of the subgroup.

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              • C Chris Losinger

                anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

                   01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
                
                   01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                      05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                               INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                      05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                               INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                

                i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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                Chris Losinger wrote:

                01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).

                Allocate a block of memory 2816 bytes in size and fill with 'X'. Name the block of memory 'MEMORY-AREA-ONE'.

                Chris Losinger wrote:

                01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.
                05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES
                INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES
                INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

                Reallocate the array for a different purpose. K01-1 is an array that contains 37 elements. The index to the array is K01-1-X. Each element is a 4-byte numeric. 'PIC 9(04)' Each element is stored as a 2's complement big-endian number in machine-dependant format. 'COMP-5' When I say big-endian I mean that when the number is displayed it will be displayed as 4 digits from left to right with most significant to least significant order. Whether it's big-endian in memory depends on the implementation. K02-1 is a 1369 element array with similar properties. K01-1-X and K02-1-X are the variables used to index the arrays. Each one belongs to it's respective array and can't be used for the other one. p-code example: for K01-1-X in {1 .. 37} do something with K01-1[K01-1-X]

                -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

                modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 6:58 PM

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                • D Douglas Troy

                  This is nothing more than a string (alphanumeric) 2816 characters

                  Chris Losinger wrote:

                  01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).

                  that second section

                  Chris Losinger wrote:

                  01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE. 05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5. 05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

                  Pic 9(04) COMP-5 is a 4 byte numeric stored in machine independent format Essentially, those two lines redefine the space originally defined by MEMORY-AREA-ONE into two blocks of unsigned 16-bit integers. I cannot recall what the INDEXED allows you to do anymore ... Not sure any of that helps you ... [edit] You might also considering hitting up the COBOL User Groups[^] for help with this, and/or other COBOL related issues you might have. Just a thought.


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                  modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 5:51 PM

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                  Douglas Troy wrote:

                  Pic 9(04) COMP-5 is a 4 byte numeric stored in machine independent format

                  Machine-dependent format if I'm not mistaken. COMP-4 is machine independent.

                  -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                  • S Sean Cundiff

                    Chris Losinger wrote:

                    01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).

                    Allocate a block of memory 2816 bytes in size and fill with 'X'. Name the block of memory 'MEMORY-AREA-ONE'.

                    Chris Losinger wrote:

                    01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.
                    05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES
                    INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                    05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES
                    INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

                    Reallocate the array for a different purpose. K01-1 is an array that contains 37 elements. The index to the array is K01-1-X. Each element is a 4-byte numeric. 'PIC 9(04)' Each element is stored as a 2's complement big-endian number in machine-dependant format. 'COMP-5' When I say big-endian I mean that when the number is displayed it will be displayed as 4 digits from left to right with most significant to least significant order. Whether it's big-endian in memory depends on the implementation. K02-1 is a 1369 element array with similar properties. K01-1-X and K02-1-X are the variables used to index the arrays. Each one belongs to it's respective array and can't be used for the other one. p-code example: for K01-1-X in {1 .. 37} do something with K01-1[K01-1-X]

                    -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

                    modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 6:58 PM

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                    how can they be 4 byte integers ? that's twice the size of the MEMORY-AREA-ONE's 2816 bytes. (37 + 1369) * 4 = 5624 i'm thinking the 4 is the number of places allowed for the value. 9(4) is a 4 digit integer (0-9999) ? you can fit that in a two byte integer, which would fit in the 2816 bytes. make sense ?

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                    • C Chris Losinger

                      how can they be 4 byte integers ? that's twice the size of the MEMORY-AREA-ONE's 2816 bytes. (37 + 1369) * 4 = 5624 i'm thinking the 4 is the number of places allowed for the value. 9(4) is a 4 digit integer (0-9999) ? you can fit that in a two byte integer, which would fit in the 2816 bytes. make sense ?

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                      yeah I updated my post after I realized I put the wrong info in it. 4 byte 'numeric'. the numeric is stored in memory as a 2's complement number, big-endian and machine-dependent format. So 37 * 2 + 2 for the first array, and 1369 * 2 + 2 for the second array. ==> 76 + 2740 = 2816 bytes.

                      -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                      • C Chris Losinger

                        anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

                           01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
                        
                           01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                              05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                                       INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                              05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                                       INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                        

                        i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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                        It throws an exception!! Either a System_TerrorException or a System_LiquidNitro one.

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                          It throws an exception!! Either a System_TerrorException or a System_LiquidNitro one.

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                          Or a Dumber_Than_Baboon_Exception.

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                            Or a Dumber_Than_Baboon_Exception.

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                            My bad. I totally forgat about it. Forgime me pls!!! URGENT!!!

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                            • C Chris Losinger

                              anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

                                 01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
                              
                                 01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                                    05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                                             INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                                    05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                                             INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                              

                              i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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                              I knew cobol in another long ago and far away life.

                              01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).

                              01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.
                              05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES
                              INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                              05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES
                              INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

                              If I remember right, that corresponds to :

                              struct numeric_arrays
                              {
                              short k01_1_x;
                              short k01_1[37];
                              short k02_1_x;
                              short k02_1[1369];
                              };

                              union mem_area
                              {
                              char memory_area_one[2816];
                              numeric_arrays k01_and_k02;
                              };

                              As others have said, the PIC 9(04) is 4 numeric digits and the comp-5 packs it to 2 bytes. I believe the indices map to mem preceding the array parts in mem, but I'm not 100% sure.

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                                 01 SORRY-CHRIS                                          PIC YOUR-NAME(LANCELOT).
                                 
                                 01 I-DON'T-KNOW.
                                   05 IDK OCCURS 100 TIMES
                                          INDEXED BY I-REALLY-DON'T-KNOW                 PIC A-COLOUR(BLUE).
                                   05 IDK-2 OCCURS 1520 TIMES
                                          INDEXED BY WHAT-IS-THE-CAPITAL-OF-ASSYRIA      I-DON'T-KNOW-THAT(NONE).  
                                

                                Output is apparently "Arrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!"

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                                Hahaha. Excellent dude. Best Holy Grail reference I've seen yet.

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                                • X Xiangyang Liu

                                  You may want to call AARP[^], I am pretty sure 90% of cobol programmers are members. :)

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                                  HAHA! Funny you should say that - I just took a job to completely re-write a suite of COBOL programs in .Net that run every aspect of a utility company. And the reason they hired me? Their COBOL programmer just retired. (Thankfully he's on retainer as a consultant) To the OP: Sorry - I know very little COBOL, but if you ask again in a couple months I could probably help :)

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                                  • S Sean Cundiff

                                    Chris Losinger wrote:

                                    01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).

                                    Allocate a block of memory 2816 bytes in size and fill with 'X'. Name the block of memory 'MEMORY-AREA-ONE'.

                                    Chris Losinger wrote:

                                    01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.
                                    05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES
                                    INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                                    05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES
                                    INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

                                    Reallocate the array for a different purpose. K01-1 is an array that contains 37 elements. The index to the array is K01-1-X. Each element is a 4-byte numeric. 'PIC 9(04)' Each element is stored as a 2's complement big-endian number in machine-dependant format. 'COMP-5' When I say big-endian I mean that when the number is displayed it will be displayed as 4 digits from left to right with most significant to least significant order. Whether it's big-endian in memory depends on the implementation. K02-1 is a 1369 element array with similar properties. K01-1-X and K02-1-X are the variables used to index the arrays. Each one belongs to it's respective array and can't be used for the other one. p-code example: for K01-1-X in {1 .. 37} do something with K01-1[K01-1-X]

                                    -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

                                    modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 6:58 PM

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                                    PIC simply sets the output type. PIC X is alphanumeric, and PIC 9 is numeric, so PIC X(2816) is 2816 alphanumeric characters (in this case used to reserve contiguous space -- a common trick in COBOL, where you're not supposed to worry about things like memory allocation), and PIC 9(4) is four numeric digits.

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                                    • C Chris Losinger

                                      anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

                                         01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
                                      
                                         01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                                            05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                                                     INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                                            05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                                                     INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                                      

                                      i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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                                      01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816) Declares a variable of 2816 chars, same as C char[2816]. The REDEFINE statement means that the next structure will occupy the same physical memory as MEMORY-AREA-ONE - much like a C UNION. Each 'PIC 9(04) COMP' is a 4 byte numeric optimised for computation, this is the same as a C UINT. If 'COMP' had been ommitted then the each of these variables would be able to store anything from 0 to 9999 and these would be stored as ASCII numeric digits which isnt efficient for computation but is how COBOL was designed to be used by 'non programmers' who didnt need to understand computer internals. This structure is typically used for low level data manipulation like encryption or compression because its the only way you could have a sequence of numbers and be able to address bytes at any offset within a structure - the char[2816] is effectively used as a char*. OCCURS is just an array count. Hope that answers your questions.

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                                      • S Sean Cundiff

                                        Douglas Troy wrote:

                                        Pic 9(04) COMP-5 is a 4 byte numeric stored in machine independent format

                                        Machine-dependent format if I'm not mistaken. COMP-4 is machine independent.

                                        -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                                        From my COBOL days numerous years ago, then comp-5 was machine dependant, so on an intel 8086 would be stored in reverse binary and wouldn't require the bit swapping by the compiler that defining as 'comp' would require. I remember a comp-x format too that was machine independant. We would also define a pic 9(04) comp-5 fields as pic x(02) comp-5 to make it more obvious that the field took 2 bytes of storage. That was based on Micro Focus compilers with syntax targetted at pc-only runtime environment where writing presentation manager apps in COBOL was the last word in chic and guaranteed many a dinner party invitation! I seem to remember that the indexed by declaration came in useful during iterations or using the Search verb, maybe, perhaps. Tony

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                                        • C Chris Losinger

                                          anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

                                             01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
                                          
                                             01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                                                05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                                                         INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                                                05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                                                         INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                                          

                                          i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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                                          Not a COBOL programmer, but here goes nothing: Comp-5 is a "native" binary format. Equivalent of "comp" type. pic 9(4) comp-5 is a two-byte unsigned binary 0 - 65535. Roughly in 'C, you are looking at: union { unsigned char buffer[2816] ; struct { unsigned short k01[37] ; unsigned short k02[1369]; } a ; } mem_area_one ; The layout of the two-bytes is platform specific ("native"), so if the COBOL is running on a PC platform, the two-bytes are stored in memory reversed (value of 12 decimal is stored as 0x0c00 in byte order).

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