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  • C Chris Losinger

    yeah, it's amazingly verbose. i have to translate a bunch into C/C++ and i'm learning as i go. but this bit makes no sense to me.

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    Pete OHanlon
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    Chris Losinger wrote:

    yeah, it's amazingly verbose.

    Invented by a woman, don't you know? I'm just saying, that's all.

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    • C Chris Losinger

      anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

         01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
      
         01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
            05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                     INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
            05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                     INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
      

      i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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      Pete OHanlon
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      As far as I can tell, it means that the chances of you using COBOL to stop the nuclear countdown in 24 is going to be slim. Jack Bauer: "Dammit Chloe. I need aerial surveilance now." Chloe: "I'm trying Jack. I'm still only halfway through the declaration section."

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      • C Chris Losinger

        anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

           01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
        
           01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
              05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                       INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
              05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                       INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
        

        i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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        Jeremy Falcon
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        Might be worthwhile running it through a COBOL to C translator. Then maybe you can make sense of the C code.

        Jeremy Falcon

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        • C Chris Losinger

          anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

             01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
          
             01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                         INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                         INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
          

          i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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          Douglas Troy
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          This is nothing more than a string (alphanumeric) 2816 characters

          Chris Losinger wrote:

          01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).

          that second section

          Chris Losinger wrote:

          01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE. 05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5. 05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

          Pic 9(04) COMP-5 is a 4 byte numeric stored in machine independent format Essentially, those two lines redefine the space originally defined by MEMORY-AREA-ONE into two blocks of unsigned 16-bit integers. I cannot recall what the INDEXED allows you to do anymore ... Not sure any of that helps you ... [edit] You might also considering hitting up the COBOL User Groups[^] for help with this, and/or other COBOL related issues you might have. Just a thought.


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          • C Chris Losinger

            anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

               01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
            
               01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                  05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                           INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                  05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                           INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
            

            i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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            Luc Pattyn
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            Hi Chris, you are aware there are a couple of .NET COBOL compilers around? you might be lucky and have a look at the IL your source generates; and reflector might be willing to show you equivalent C# or VB.NET code. And maybe you don't need to translate it after all, just run it... :)

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            • C Chris Losinger

              anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

                 01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
              
                 01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                    05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                             INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                    05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                             INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
              

              i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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              No cookie for you: COBOL is the only computer language invented by the Etrurians. :)

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              • L Luc Pattyn

                Hi Chris, you are aware there are a couple of .NET COBOL compilers around? you might be lucky and have a look at the IL your source generates; and reflector might be willing to show you equivalent C# or VB.NET code. And maybe you don't need to translate it after all, just run it... :)

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                Luc Pattyn wrote:

                you are aware there are a couple of .NET COBOL compilers around?

                Their authors should be flamed, immediately. :rolleyes:

                If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
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                • C Chris Losinger

                  anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

                     01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
                  
                     01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                        05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                                 INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                        05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                                 INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                  

                  i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

                  image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                  Steve Mayfield
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                  Isn't that part of the start up code for Cylons...oh wait, that's "Lords of Kobol" :laugh:

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                  modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 5:55 PM

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                  • C Chris Losinger

                    anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

                       01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
                    
                       01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                          05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                                   INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                          05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                                   INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                    

                    i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

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                     01 SORRY-CHRIS                                          PIC YOUR-NAME(LANCELOT).
                     
                     01 I-DON'T-KNOW.
                       05 IDK OCCURS 100 TIMES
                              INDEXED BY I-REALLY-DON'T-KNOW                 PIC A-COLOUR(BLUE).
                       05 IDK-2 OCCURS 1520 TIMES
                              INDEXED BY WHAT-IS-THE-CAPITAL-OF-ASSYRIA      I-DON'T-KNOW-THAT(NONE).  
                    

                    Output is apparently "Arrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!"

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                    • C Chris Losinger

                      Andy Brummer wrote:

                      a bunch of 2 byte integers with 4 bytes left over

                      hmm... yeah, i suppose that could be it. the 'leftover bytes' feels stupid and wrong, but maybe i should just get over that... i'll give it a try!

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                      modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 4:38 PM

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                      Steve Mayfield
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                      4 bytes left over Maybe the 4 extra bytes are for the array index variables (K01-1-X & K02-1-X)

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                      • C Chris Losinger

                        anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

                           01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
                        
                           01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                              05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                                       INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                              05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                                       INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                        

                        i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

                        image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                        Steve Mayfield
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                        01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).
                        01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.
                        05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES
                        INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                        05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES
                        INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

                        maybe becomes :confused:

                        union {
                        {
                        PIC MEMORY-AREA-ONE X[2816];
                        struct {
                        PIC K01-1-X;
                        PIC K01-1[37];
                        PIC K02-1-X;
                        PIC K02-1[1369];
                        } COMP-5
                        };

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                        • C Chris Losinger

                          Andy Brummer wrote:

                          a bunch of 2 byte integers with 4 bytes left over

                          hmm... yeah, i suppose that could be it. the 'leftover bytes' feels stupid and wrong, but maybe i should just get over that... i'll give it a try!

                          image processing toolkits | batch image processing

                          modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 4:38 PM

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                          Chris Losinger wrote:

                          'leftover bytes' feels stupid

                          COBOL programmers were never known to be sticklers for programming best practices. COBOL, like VB, allows non-programmers to think they can program. I have many years of experience in technical support (we programmed in assembler on IBM mainframes) supporting COBOL shops, and I have the scars to prove it.

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                          • D Douglas Troy

                            This is nothing more than a string (alphanumeric) 2816 characters

                            Chris Losinger wrote:

                            01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).

                            that second section

                            Chris Losinger wrote:

                            01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE. 05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5. 05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

                            Pic 9(04) COMP-5 is a 4 byte numeric stored in machine independent format Essentially, those two lines redefine the space originally defined by MEMORY-AREA-ONE into two blocks of unsigned 16-bit integers. I cannot recall what the INDEXED allows you to do anymore ... Not sure any of that helps you ... [edit] You might also considering hitting up the COBOL User Groups[^] for help with this, and/or other COBOL related issues you might have. Just a thought.


                            :..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
                            Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTL

                            modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 5:51 PM

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                            Douglas Troy wrote:

                            I cannot recall what the INDEXED allows you to do anymore ..

                            i think that defines an iterator/pointer that's initialized to the start of the subgroup.

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                              anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

                                 01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
                              
                                 01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                                    05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                                             INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                                    05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                                             INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                              

                              i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

                              image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                              Sean Cundiff
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                              Chris Losinger wrote:

                              01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).

                              Allocate a block of memory 2816 bytes in size and fill with 'X'. Name the block of memory 'MEMORY-AREA-ONE'.

                              Chris Losinger wrote:

                              01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.
                              05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES
                              INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                              05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES
                              INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

                              Reallocate the array for a different purpose. K01-1 is an array that contains 37 elements. The index to the array is K01-1-X. Each element is a 4-byte numeric. 'PIC 9(04)' Each element is stored as a 2's complement big-endian number in machine-dependant format. 'COMP-5' When I say big-endian I mean that when the number is displayed it will be displayed as 4 digits from left to right with most significant to least significant order. Whether it's big-endian in memory depends on the implementation. K02-1 is a 1369 element array with similar properties. K01-1-X and K02-1-X are the variables used to index the arrays. Each one belongs to it's respective array and can't be used for the other one. p-code example: for K01-1-X in {1 .. 37} do something with K01-1[K01-1-X]

                              -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                              • D Douglas Troy

                                This is nothing more than a string (alphanumeric) 2816 characters

                                Chris Losinger wrote:

                                01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).

                                that second section

                                Chris Losinger wrote:

                                01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE. 05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5. 05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

                                Pic 9(04) COMP-5 is a 4 byte numeric stored in machine independent format Essentially, those two lines redefine the space originally defined by MEMORY-AREA-ONE into two blocks of unsigned 16-bit integers. I cannot recall what the INDEXED allows you to do anymore ... Not sure any of that helps you ... [edit] You might also considering hitting up the COBOL User Groups[^] for help with this, and/or other COBOL related issues you might have. Just a thought.


                                :..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
                                Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTL

                                modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 5:51 PM

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                                Douglas Troy wrote:

                                Pic 9(04) COMP-5 is a 4 byte numeric stored in machine independent format

                                Machine-dependent format if I'm not mistaken. COMP-4 is machine independent.

                                -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                                  Chris Losinger wrote:

                                  01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE PIC X(2816).

                                  Allocate a block of memory 2816 bytes in size and fill with 'X'. Name the block of memory 'MEMORY-AREA-ONE'.

                                  Chris Losinger wrote:

                                  01 REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.
                                  05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES
                                  INDEXED BY K01-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                                  05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES
                                  INDEXED BY K02-1-X PIC 9(04) COMP-5.

                                  Reallocate the array for a different purpose. K01-1 is an array that contains 37 elements. The index to the array is K01-1-X. Each element is a 4-byte numeric. 'PIC 9(04)' Each element is stored as a 2's complement big-endian number in machine-dependant format. 'COMP-5' When I say big-endian I mean that when the number is displayed it will be displayed as 4 digits from left to right with most significant to least significant order. Whether it's big-endian in memory depends on the implementation. K02-1 is a 1369 element array with similar properties. K01-1-X and K02-1-X are the variables used to index the arrays. Each one belongs to it's respective array and can't be used for the other one. p-code example: for K01-1-X in {1 .. 37} do something with K01-1[K01-1-X]

                                  -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

                                  modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 6:58 PM

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                                  how can they be 4 byte integers ? that's twice the size of the MEMORY-AREA-ONE's 2816 bytes. (37 + 1369) * 4 = 5624 i'm thinking the 4 is the number of places allowed for the value. 9(4) is a 4 digit integer (0-9999) ? you can fit that in a two byte integer, which would fit in the 2816 bytes. make sense ?

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                                  • C Chris Losinger

                                    how can they be 4 byte integers ? that's twice the size of the MEMORY-AREA-ONE's 2816 bytes. (37 + 1369) * 4 = 5624 i'm thinking the 4 is the number of places allowed for the value. 9(4) is a 4 digit integer (0-9999) ? you can fit that in a two byte integer, which would fit in the 2816 bytes. make sense ?

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                                    yeah I updated my post after I realized I put the wrong info in it. 4 byte 'numeric'. the numeric is stored in memory as a 2's complement number, big-endian and machine-dependent format. So 37 * 2 + 2 for the first array, and 1369 * 2 + 2 for the second array. ==> 76 + 2740 = 2816 bytes.

                                    -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                                    • C Chris Losinger

                                      anybody here know COBOL ? what does this do?

                                         01 MEMORY-AREA-ONE                           PIC X(2816).
                                      
                                         01  REDEFINES MEMORY-AREA-ONE.          
                                            05 K01-1 OCCURS 37 TIMES             
                                                     INDEXED BY K01-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                                            05 K02-1 OCCURS 1369 TIMES           
                                                     INDEXED BY K02-1-X               PIC 9(04) COMP-5.
                                      

                                      i thought i understood what redefine and occurs meant, but i can't figure out what this declaration does. (funny answers are welcome!)

                                      image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                                      It throws an exception!! Either a System_TerrorException or a System_LiquidNitro one.

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                                        It throws an exception!! Either a System_TerrorException or a System_LiquidNitro one.

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                                        Or a Dumber_Than_Baboon_Exception.

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                                          Or a Dumber_Than_Baboon_Exception.

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                                          My bad. I totally forgat about it. Forgime me pls!!! URGENT!!!

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