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  • C Christian Graus

    ROTFL !!! The point of the book is not anti capitalism, so much as being pro tariffs to protect local industry.

    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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    Andy_L_J
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    Christian Graus wrote:

    pro tariffs

    I object to any extra tax on 'Working' girls. ;)

    I don't speak Idiot - please talk slowly and clearly 'This space for rent' Driven to the arms of Heineken by the wife

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      Tim Craig wrote:

      explain to me why totally free markets always result in monopoly or at the very least defacto monopoly?

      Monopolies are more common when their are complex regulations, or regulators that regulate in favor of the monopoly (which is all too common) In a free market, if there ever was a monopoly, it would have a hard time competing with business that can offer a better product at a lower price, which would cancel their monopoly.

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      Tim Craig
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      You're confusing "free markets" with "perfect competition". If there's nothing to prevent it, eventually some company is going to establish a monopoly or a coalition of several will establish a defacto monopoly where they agree to split the market and share the spoils. You think that businesses just magically spring into being? It doesn't happen. And if there's a monopoly, a new entrant can't get traction to even make a dent before the monopoly rolls over on it and crushes it.

      You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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        Christian Graus wrote:

        pro tariffs

        I object to any extra tax on 'Working' girls. ;)

        I don't speak Idiot - please talk slowly and clearly 'This space for rent' Driven to the arms of Heineken by the wife

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        Christian Graus
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        Funny, there was a story in the paper today about local hookers complaining about being priced out of the market by cheap Asian imports.

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        • C Christian Graus

          Funny, there was a story in the paper today about local hookers complaining about being priced out of the market by cheap Asian imports.

          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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          Dalek Dave
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          But they "Love You Long Time Johnny, only 60 Baht" - er.. apparently...:~

          ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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            But they "Love You Long Time Johnny, only 60 Baht" - er.. apparently...:~

            ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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            Christian Graus
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            Someone posted a comment that yet another cheap chinese import that kills local industry and only lasts 5 minutes.

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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            • C Christian Graus

              Someone posted a comment that yet another cheap chinese import that kills local industry and only lasts 5 minutes.

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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              Dalek Dave
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              5 Minutes? Wow!

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              • T Tim Craig

                You're confusing "free markets" with "perfect competition". If there's nothing to prevent it, eventually some company is going to establish a monopoly or a coalition of several will establish a defacto monopoly where they agree to split the market and share the spoils. You think that businesses just magically spring into being? It doesn't happen. And if there's a monopoly, a new entrant can't get traction to even make a dent before the monopoly rolls over on it and crushes it.

                You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                CaptainSeeSharp
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                Tim Craig wrote:

                If there's nothing to prevent it, eventually some company is going to establish a monopoly or a coalition of several will establish a defacto monopoly where they agree to split the market and share the spoils.

                What good is a monopoly if you can't jack up your prices? If they were to jack up their prices competition would make quick work of them. Again, monopolies are more common in complex regulatory environments and only a temporary if ever existing blip on the screen in a free market.

                Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                  Tim Craig wrote:

                  If there's nothing to prevent it, eventually some company is going to establish a monopoly or a coalition of several will establish a defacto monopoly where they agree to split the market and share the spoils.

                  What good is a monopoly if you can't jack up your prices? If they were to jack up their prices competition would make quick work of them. Again, monopolies are more common in complex regulatory environments and only a temporary if ever existing blip on the screen in a free market.

                  Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                  Tim Craig
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                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  If they were to jack up their prices competition would make quick work of them.

                  What competition? It's a monopoly! Where do you think this "competition" is going to magically come from? You're clueless about that it takes to build a business much less what it would take to effectively challenge a monopoly.

                  You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                    If they were to jack up their prices competition would make quick work of them.

                    What competition? It's a monopoly! Where do you think this "competition" is going to magically come from? You're clueless about that it takes to build a business much less what it would take to effectively challenge a monopoly.

                    You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                    CaptainSeeSharp
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                    Tim Craig wrote:

                    Where do you think this "competition" is going to magically come from?

                    Businesses (or investors) looking for a profit see opportunity and think "Hey, we can make some money here. These bastards are charging too much for a crap product, we can do better." However if the regulatory environment is complex and/or rigged in the monopolies favor then the monopoly thrives.

                    Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                      Tim Craig wrote:

                      Where do you think this "competition" is going to magically come from?

                      Businesses (or investors) looking for a profit see opportunity and think "Hey, we can make some money here. These bastards are charging too much for a crap product, we can do better." However if the regulatory environment is complex and/or rigged in the monopolies favor then the monopoly thrives.

                      Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                      Christian Graus
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                      This is just stupid. Regulations more often than not welcome any competition to a monopoly. Witness all the legal wrangling MS has had to deal with. On the other hand, how much money would it take to compete with Microsoft ? Is it even possible, on the OS front, in terms of the mainstream ? Many people have tried to compete with Coke/Pepsi and all have failed.

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                      • C Christian Graus

                        This is just stupid. Regulations more often than not welcome any competition to a monopoly. Witness all the legal wrangling MS has had to deal with. On the other hand, how much money would it take to compete with Microsoft ? Is it even possible, on the OS front, in terms of the mainstream ? Many people have tried to compete with Coke/Pepsi and all have failed.

                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                        CaptainSeeSharp
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                        MS doesn't have a monopoly.

                        Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                        • C CaptainSeeSharp

                          MS doesn't have a monopoly.

                          Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                          Tim Craig
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                          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                          MS doesn't have a monopoly.

                          Close enough for practical purposes. Go program up a nice utility for Windows and make it popular. Then watch as the next version of Windows includes that functionality for "free". :laugh:

                          You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                          • T Tim Craig

                            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                            MS doesn't have a monopoly.

                            Close enough for practical purposes. Go program up a nice utility for Windows and make it popular. Then watch as the next version of Windows includes that functionality for "free". :laugh:

                            You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                            CaptainSeeSharp
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                            Free like Firefox?

                            Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                              Tim Craig wrote:

                              Where do you think this "competition" is going to magically come from?

                              Businesses (or investors) looking for a profit see opportunity and think "Hey, we can make some money here. These bastards are charging too much for a crap product, we can do better." However if the regulatory environment is complex and/or rigged in the monopolies favor then the monopoly thrives.

                              Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                              Tim Craig
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                              You need to actually get out in the world and hold a real job and see what it takes to set up a major production facility. You're clueless as usual.

                              You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                              • T Tim Craig

                                You need to actually get out in the world and hold a real job and see what it takes to set up a major production facility. You're clueless as usual.

                                You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                                CaptainSeeSharp
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                                VMWare is pretty successful.

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                                  VMWare is pretty successful.

                                  Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                                  Tim Craig
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                                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                  VMWare is pretty successful.

                                  And what did you have to do with getting them rolling? I don't think pirating their software counts. :laugh:

                                  You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                                    Free like Firefox?

                                    Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                                    Tim Craig
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                                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                    Free like Firefox?

                                    What do you know about Microsoft vs Netscape? Apparently, not much. :rolleyes:

                                    You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                                    • T Tim Craig

                                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                      VMWare is pretty successful.

                                      And what did you have to do with getting them rolling? I don't think pirating their software counts. :laugh:

                                      You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                                      Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                                      He was vitally important to VMWares success, he DIDNT get a job there, obviously if he had they would never have made it

                                      Smile and the world smiles withyou, laugh and they think you are a nutter

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                                      • D Dalek Dave

                                        Australia has a varied economy Sheep Wool Boomerangs Crap Beer (that seems to sell well!) Tourism Sport Banking What ever would you have without capitalism?

                                        ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                                        Lost User
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                                        And Timtams!

                                        Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                                        • C CaptainSeeSharp

                                          Christian Graus wrote:

                                          Be quiet. The adults are having a conversation.

                                          Where? All I see are retards.

                                          Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                                          Lost User
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                                          Dear, you're the only burger flipper here. The rest are proffesional engineers, including myself.

                                          Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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