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VS 2010 - what are the shiny parts?

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  • J Johann Gerell

    Judah Himango wrote:

    Nice to just have it baked-in, ya know?

    And you think, based on history, that the MS implementation is less bulky than the ones in Visual Assist (my choice!), ReSharper and CodeRush? ;)

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    Judah Gabriel Himango
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    Try it and see for yourself. With 3rd party add-ins, you'll end up running into OoME. I believe some of the 3rd party add-ins even have workarounds for this. When it's baked in, there's no overhead for the add-in. Less bloat. And I don't have to buy a 3rd party add-in to boot.

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    • C Christopher Duncan

      I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:

      • What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
      • Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
      • Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?

      Christopher Duncan
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      Lost User
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      It has much better integration with Entity Framework. For example, you can add/edit Complex types right in the Visual Designer instead of resorting to the XML files.

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      • C Chris Losinger

        without it, you're not a true MS fan.

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        Earl Truss
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        "it"? You mean the sarcasm?

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        • C Christopher Duncan

          I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:

          • What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
          • Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
          • Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?

          Christopher Duncan
          www.PracticalUSA.com
          Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
          Copywriting Services

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          TheyCallMeMrJames
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          I am liking VS2010 for the better IntelliSense (especially with javascript/jquery), the tooling refresh (particularly ASP.NET MVC and the Silverlight/WPF experience), multi-targeting, the better deploy/publish paradigm for web-based projects. I use multi-monitor support daily. I like the debug experience a lot better. If you haven't tried watch-variable pinning yet you'll certainly enjoy that. Pex looks like the solution to the 70% of code that we can't find budget for to write tests. The WPF-based code-editor is great for moving around in the code file. Block-shaped editing is awesome. When editing, you also get better visibility and highlighting of tokens/classes/params/etc (when your caret is in one, it lights up all other instances in the class file). Those are some...I've been using it for quite some time so it's hard to remember what isn't there in 2008. As for comments around 'upgrading all the time'...two times in five years isn't by any means 'all the time'. I would suggest that anyone not using the tools available from one version to the next is either maintaining legacy code or stuck in their ways and not willing to spend the time to learn new, valuable career skills. Cheers, -jc

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          • R RugbyLeague

            The WPF and Silverlight designers are much better - but I rather like typing xaml so I am not sure how much use I will get from them.

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            If you prefer editing the XAML you'll really enjoy the better editing story with IntelliSense improvements. Cheers, -jc

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            • T TheyCallMeMrJames

              If you prefer editing the XAML you'll really enjoy the better editing story with IntelliSense improvements. Cheers, -jc

              They Call me Mister James

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              RugbyLeague
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              I hope so - the intellisense in the VS2008 XAML editor often freezes - typing in "

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              • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                Try it and see for yourself. With 3rd party add-ins, you'll end up running into OoME. I believe some of the 3rd party add-ins even have workarounds for this. When it's baked in, there's no overhead for the add-in. Less bloat. And I don't have to buy a 3rd party add-in to boot.

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                ghle
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                Judah Himango wrote:

                When it's baked in, there's no overhead for the add-in. Less bloat.

                Boy, talk about subtle sarcasm. ;)

                Gary

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                  Judah Himango wrote:

                  When it's baked in, there's no overhead for the add-in. Less bloat.

                  Boy, talk about subtle sarcasm. ;)

                  Gary

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                  Judah Gabriel Himango
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                  Nope. Try it yourself: VS without Resharper and with. See what kind of performance and memory usage you get.

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                  • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                    Nope. Try it yourself: VS without Resharper and with. See what kind of performance and memory usage you get.

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                    ghle
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                    The sarcasim was ANY Microsoft software without Overhead. I don't think it exists - anywhere. It is always bloated. :) And slow....

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                    • J Jim Crafton

                      I find it a little ironic (and possibly amusing) that the first component on it's list to download/install is the "Microsoft Application Error Reporting" component, whatever that is. :)

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                      ghle
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                      Ah, they should have build it in, so there would be less bloat and faster execution speed. :laugh: Us finding and reporting bugs in their software is always useful - to them. Makes me want to get it immediately. :)

                      Gary

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                      • C Christopher Duncan

                        If I wanted longer coffee breaks, I would have stayed with C++. :)

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                        Haha, so true. C++ has a terrible and outdated compilation model, that is plagued by poor (see: none) dependency analysis, but of course the hardcore C++ guys don't want to admit it, which is probably why you got rated down.

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                          The sarcasim was ANY Microsoft software without Overhead. I don't think it exists - anywhere. It is always bloated. :) And slow....

                          Gary

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                          Judah Gabriel Himango
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                          Yeah, but I didn't say "zero overhead". Nobody writes software with zero overhead. Instead, I said, "less overhead than loading a large 3rd party add-in".

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                          • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                            Yeah, but I didn't say "zero overhead". Nobody writes software with zero overhead. Instead, I said, "less overhead than loading a large 3rd party add-in".

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                            Yes, but the "large 3rd party add-in" would be smaller and faster than the MS built-in feature. It's all relative.

                            Gary

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                              Yes, but the "large 3rd party add-in" would be smaller and faster than the MS built-in feature. It's all relative.

                              Gary

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                              Judah Gabriel Himango
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                              No, it isn't. Try using Resharpher on a large solution. Now try with VS2010. See it for yourself.

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                              • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                                No, it isn't. Try using Resharpher on a large solution. Now try with VS2010. See it for yourself.

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                                Judah Himango wrote:

                                No, it isn't. Try using Resharpher on a large solution. Now try with VS2010. See it for yourself.

                                Judah Himango wrote:

                                Try it and see for yourself. With 3rd party add-ins, you'll end up running into OoME. I believe some of the 3rd party add-ins even have workarounds for this. When it's baked in, there's no overhead for the add-in. Less bloat. And I don't have to buy a 3rd party add-in to boot.

                                Okay Judah, I'll give you one bad add-in for one bloated application is possibly worse than MS build-in code. You made a generic statement about 3rd party apps, which is still wrong. But, from the resharper site: How ReSharper Helps Visual Studio Users Continuous code quality analysis in C#, XAML, XML, ASP.NET, and ASP.NET MVC. I don't program in those apps, so I have no need for resharper, I guess. Over and out.

                                Gary

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