The uber tablet I'd like to see
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Jim Crafton wrote:
You're just a mindless Apple fanboi with small genitals!!!
Leave my genitals out of this M$ worshiper, and I'll leave my genitals out of your momma!
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Whoa! Leave my momma outta your genitals farmboy! Don't mke me go all Steve Ballmer on your ass!
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you know, deep down inside you, you want a laptop. because let's say you have what you want, a tablet, an external keyboard, an external mouse, a stylus, you will also need a convenient case for that, hey, let's do some kind of clam-shell case for that ... WTF, it look and behave like a laptop... and probably exists today ... Apple MacBook Air.
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Well I personally wouldn't want a mouse or keyboard. But some people might, so you make it an option. But it would be intended to be used without any of the external stuff.
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Until "we" find an efficient battery technology with punch, all tablets will suck. - Stylus: non, it's a bad thing, you loose it and bitch around, more so if application/os demands it for some "feature". - USB port, why not, 1, 2 max, as small as possible; as long as you have that, using external devices are a no-brainer (except support for all the different driver types and related snafu that WILL happen). - ... Me think Microsoft could for the software, but it's the hardware that could be a problem for them, they do not have the "computer" expertise, yeah they do good enough mices and keybaord, and the zune, I assume is good enough, but their history in that sense is not that good ( remember the Origami projects ? ) M.
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Maximilien wrote:
- Stylus: non, it's a bad thing, you loose it and bitch around, more so if application/os demands it for some "feature".
Not at all. Make it cheap, like a pen. Without the stylus it's useless. How do you take notes with your finger? Or Paint? Or sketch?
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Don't mke me go all Steve Ballmer on your ass!
Hmmm, perhaps a new tactic then. In honor of the late, great Abraham Lincoln: I feel how weak and fruitless must be any word of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of defeat upon the realization Microsoft is that of the dung heap. But I cannot refrain from tendering you the consolation that may be found in the elegance of the iPad's marvels. I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of your days of DOS, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon your sanity to endure such travesties. Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,
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Jim Crafton wrote:
There was something on The Register that claimed that HP was going to kill it
I'd missed that. Damn.
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So with all this talk about tablets and non-desktop form factors, here's what I would consider a magical revolutionary device and how I'd go about tackling it. I've been thinking about something like this for the past 3 or 4 years now, and especially since getting into 3D, I've been wishing more and more that there was something suitable. The driving idea behind the whole thing is something as simple and elegant as paper and pencil. I'd like to see something about the size of a notepad, say 8.5 X 11, with as much room as possible devoted to the screen, maybe a thumbswidth border around the screen. Couldn't be very thick either and it would have be reasonably durable. The screen would support multi-touch, as well as a full on tablet digitizer, pressure sensitivity, the whole 9 yards. It would be thick enough to support USB ports on the side, the hard drive would be SSD only. Some sort of optical drive would need to be in there as well. Or maybe not, maybe with support for USB, an external drive would be OK. Bluetooth support for external devices would be a must and it would have to exceptionally well implemented. There would be *no* physical keyboard. With the USB ports you can add that if you want it. The iPhone, I think, has demonstrated that for a number of use cases, a virtual keyboard is more than good enough. Because you've got a lot more screen real estate, you don't have to worry about scrunched fingers, it should relatively easy to make typing on it usable for most cases, and for more intensive use, you can always hook up an external keyboard. Ditto for the mouse, external if you want it, but not built in. The size means you've got something big enough to be creative with, it's big enough to easily visualize documents at 100% or near 100% resolution. The graphics should be a really solid graphics card, no crappy integrated cards - you should be able to run decent 2D/3D creative suites on this thing. The UI would NOT be just another copy of Windows. Keeping with the paper/pencil metaphor, you'd have one major window full screen. You might have tool windows here and there, but by and large you'd have one primary window. You could easily switch, and you wouldn't be limited to single tasking (from an OS stand point). Keeping the UI as uncluttered as possible would be an absolute must. Keeping the core preferences as simple as possible, with *well* thought out defaults so you can use it out of the box with as little as hassle as possible. Windows Explorer would be gone. Some so
You've just about described my ultimate creative device: A nice mechanical pencil (5mm lead, H hardness), a plastic eraser and a pad of engineering paper -- minus the electronic and 3D stuff, but my imagination is pretty good.
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You do realize that you just described the iPad outside of your multitasking point - which they are working on (even if it's a gonna be a bit gimped)? You can get a USB adapter for it btw, and it does do 3D.
Jeremy Falcon
iPad has no USB
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iPad has no USB
Like I said, you have to buy an adapter for it. http://store.apple.com/us/learnmore/MC497LL/A?group=ipad_camera_kit[^]
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So with all this talk about tablets and non-desktop form factors, here's what I would consider a magical revolutionary device and how I'd go about tackling it. I've been thinking about something like this for the past 3 or 4 years now, and especially since getting into 3D, I've been wishing more and more that there was something suitable. The driving idea behind the whole thing is something as simple and elegant as paper and pencil. I'd like to see something about the size of a notepad, say 8.5 X 11, with as much room as possible devoted to the screen, maybe a thumbswidth border around the screen. Couldn't be very thick either and it would have be reasonably durable. The screen would support multi-touch, as well as a full on tablet digitizer, pressure sensitivity, the whole 9 yards. It would be thick enough to support USB ports on the side, the hard drive would be SSD only. Some sort of optical drive would need to be in there as well. Or maybe not, maybe with support for USB, an external drive would be OK. Bluetooth support for external devices would be a must and it would have to exceptionally well implemented. There would be *no* physical keyboard. With the USB ports you can add that if you want it. The iPhone, I think, has demonstrated that for a number of use cases, a virtual keyboard is more than good enough. Because you've got a lot more screen real estate, you don't have to worry about scrunched fingers, it should relatively easy to make typing on it usable for most cases, and for more intensive use, you can always hook up an external keyboard. Ditto for the mouse, external if you want it, but not built in. The size means you've got something big enough to be creative with, it's big enough to easily visualize documents at 100% or near 100% resolution. The graphics should be a really solid graphics card, no crappy integrated cards - you should be able to run decent 2D/3D creative suites on this thing. The UI would NOT be just another copy of Windows. Keeping with the paper/pencil metaphor, you'd have one major window full screen. You might have tool windows here and there, but by and large you'd have one primary window. You could easily switch, and you wouldn't be limited to single tasking (from an OS stand point). Keeping the UI as uncluttered as possible would be an absolute must. Keeping the core preferences as simple as possible, with *well* thought out defaults so you can use it out of the box with as little as hassle as possible. Windows Explorer would be gone. Some so
Some friends and I were talking about tablets and came to a pretty similar conclusion. We also figured that it would need good battery life, and that extra measures would be needed to ensure this - if it was based on a mobile OS like Android, limiting true multitasking to background threads and using suspend and resume for the UI, as the platform does, would be ideal. Also the suspend and seamless resume is more natural for a mobile device anyway, because it means you don't have to lose your place and context in an app just because you need more memory or CPU for another app, nor should you have to worry about closing stuff on the go. As you said, if it was based on Windows, a lot of apps would have to be rewritten - and to me one of the most important areas would be support for multi-touch. Today's PC UIs are usually just not suited to it. Also, true OS support for gestures. One area that really needs work today is managing sharing and exchange of files, content, etc. Something that retains security but addresses the awkwardness of the current methods. This would tie in nicely with the part of better file management and search.
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So with all this talk about tablets and non-desktop form factors, here's what I would consider a magical revolutionary device and how I'd go about tackling it. I've been thinking about something like this for the past 3 or 4 years now, and especially since getting into 3D, I've been wishing more and more that there was something suitable. The driving idea behind the whole thing is something as simple and elegant as paper and pencil. I'd like to see something about the size of a notepad, say 8.5 X 11, with as much room as possible devoted to the screen, maybe a thumbswidth border around the screen. Couldn't be very thick either and it would have be reasonably durable. The screen would support multi-touch, as well as a full on tablet digitizer, pressure sensitivity, the whole 9 yards. It would be thick enough to support USB ports on the side, the hard drive would be SSD only. Some sort of optical drive would need to be in there as well. Or maybe not, maybe with support for USB, an external drive would be OK. Bluetooth support for external devices would be a must and it would have to exceptionally well implemented. There would be *no* physical keyboard. With the USB ports you can add that if you want it. The iPhone, I think, has demonstrated that for a number of use cases, a virtual keyboard is more than good enough. Because you've got a lot more screen real estate, you don't have to worry about scrunched fingers, it should relatively easy to make typing on it usable for most cases, and for more intensive use, you can always hook up an external keyboard. Ditto for the mouse, external if you want it, but not built in. The size means you've got something big enough to be creative with, it's big enough to easily visualize documents at 100% or near 100% resolution. The graphics should be a really solid graphics card, no crappy integrated cards - you should be able to run decent 2D/3D creative suites on this thing. The UI would NOT be just another copy of Windows. Keeping with the paper/pencil metaphor, you'd have one major window full screen. You might have tool windows here and there, but by and large you'd have one primary window. You could easily switch, and you wouldn't be limited to single tasking (from an OS stand point). Keeping the UI as uncluttered as possible would be an absolute must. Keeping the core preferences as simple as possible, with *well* thought out defaults so you can use it out of the box with as little as hassle as possible. Windows Explorer would be gone. Some so
Let me see if i have the right kind of idea. 1. You want a device founded on Windows with a Custom UI but Win7 core. 2. You want a system that allows for quick access to tools without clogging up the screen real estate. 3. You want a decent GFX system (would an Nvidia GTS210 suffice?)
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Think of the x's as soft buttons (hot zones) that can launch tool windows on screen, allowing them to be hidden the rest of the time.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
There was something on The Register that claimed that HP was going to kill it
I'd missed that. Damn.
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So with all this talk about tablets and non-desktop form factors, here's what I would consider a magical revolutionary device and how I'd go about tackling it. I've been thinking about something like this for the past 3 or 4 years now, and especially since getting into 3D, I've been wishing more and more that there was something suitable. The driving idea behind the whole thing is something as simple and elegant as paper and pencil. I'd like to see something about the size of a notepad, say 8.5 X 11, with as much room as possible devoted to the screen, maybe a thumbswidth border around the screen. Couldn't be very thick either and it would have be reasonably durable. The screen would support multi-touch, as well as a full on tablet digitizer, pressure sensitivity, the whole 9 yards. It would be thick enough to support USB ports on the side, the hard drive would be SSD only. Some sort of optical drive would need to be in there as well. Or maybe not, maybe with support for USB, an external drive would be OK. Bluetooth support for external devices would be a must and it would have to exceptionally well implemented. There would be *no* physical keyboard. With the USB ports you can add that if you want it. The iPhone, I think, has demonstrated that for a number of use cases, a virtual keyboard is more than good enough. Because you've got a lot more screen real estate, you don't have to worry about scrunched fingers, it should relatively easy to make typing on it usable for most cases, and for more intensive use, you can always hook up an external keyboard. Ditto for the mouse, external if you want it, but not built in. The size means you've got something big enough to be creative with, it's big enough to easily visualize documents at 100% or near 100% resolution. The graphics should be a really solid graphics card, no crappy integrated cards - you should be able to run decent 2D/3D creative suites on this thing. The UI would NOT be just another copy of Windows. Keeping with the paper/pencil metaphor, you'd have one major window full screen. You might have tool windows here and there, but by and large you'd have one primary window. You could easily switch, and you wouldn't be limited to single tasking (from an OS stand point). Keeping the UI as uncluttered as possible would be an absolute must. Keeping the core preferences as simple as possible, with *well* thought out defaults so you can use it out of the box with as little as hassle as possible. Windows Explorer would be gone. Some so
If you are wishing upon a star... An armband.. just like a watch... A 3D image suspended in air which you just point at.. if you need a keyboard the image is a keyboard, if you need a mouse, the image is a mouse. Speech recognition of course... and the prize? 10$, hmm? Nothing exist, everything is opinions...
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So with all this talk about tablets and non-desktop form factors, here's what I would consider a magical revolutionary device and how I'd go about tackling it. I've been thinking about something like this for the past 3 or 4 years now, and especially since getting into 3D, I've been wishing more and more that there was something suitable. The driving idea behind the whole thing is something as simple and elegant as paper and pencil. I'd like to see something about the size of a notepad, say 8.5 X 11, with as much room as possible devoted to the screen, maybe a thumbswidth border around the screen. Couldn't be very thick either and it would have be reasonably durable. The screen would support multi-touch, as well as a full on tablet digitizer, pressure sensitivity, the whole 9 yards. It would be thick enough to support USB ports on the side, the hard drive would be SSD only. Some sort of optical drive would need to be in there as well. Or maybe not, maybe with support for USB, an external drive would be OK. Bluetooth support for external devices would be a must and it would have to exceptionally well implemented. There would be *no* physical keyboard. With the USB ports you can add that if you want it. The iPhone, I think, has demonstrated that for a number of use cases, a virtual keyboard is more than good enough. Because you've got a lot more screen real estate, you don't have to worry about scrunched fingers, it should relatively easy to make typing on it usable for most cases, and for more intensive use, you can always hook up an external keyboard. Ditto for the mouse, external if you want it, but not built in. The size means you've got something big enough to be creative with, it's big enough to easily visualize documents at 100% or near 100% resolution. The graphics should be a really solid graphics card, no crappy integrated cards - you should be able to run decent 2D/3D creative suites on this thing. The UI would NOT be just another copy of Windows. Keeping with the paper/pencil metaphor, you'd have one major window full screen. You might have tool windows here and there, but by and large you'd have one primary window. You could easily switch, and you wouldn't be limited to single tasking (from an OS stand point). Keeping the UI as uncluttered as possible would be an absolute must. Keeping the core preferences as simple as possible, with *well* thought out defaults so you can use it out of the box with as little as hassle as possible. Windows Explorer would be gone. Some so
I would also like to see additional form factors, such as one the size of the old style deskpad (possibly even bigger, why not?) to actually replace my desktop computer. With Bluetooth, I should be able to use a mouse and keyboard if I am that backward. Plenty of room along the back edge for USB and other conventional i/o connectors as might be marketable. Also, not LCD, should be OLED on a reasonably (enough to stand up to moving from desk to desk) flexible plastic substrate, no glass. Otherwise, pretty much as you have described it so far would be fine with me.
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So with all this talk about tablets and non-desktop form factors, here's what I would consider a magical revolutionary device and how I'd go about tackling it. I've been thinking about something like this for the past 3 or 4 years now, and especially since getting into 3D, I've been wishing more and more that there was something suitable. The driving idea behind the whole thing is something as simple and elegant as paper and pencil. I'd like to see something about the size of a notepad, say 8.5 X 11, with as much room as possible devoted to the screen, maybe a thumbswidth border around the screen. Couldn't be very thick either and it would have be reasonably durable. The screen would support multi-touch, as well as a full on tablet digitizer, pressure sensitivity, the whole 9 yards. It would be thick enough to support USB ports on the side, the hard drive would be SSD only. Some sort of optical drive would need to be in there as well. Or maybe not, maybe with support for USB, an external drive would be OK. Bluetooth support for external devices would be a must and it would have to exceptionally well implemented. There would be *no* physical keyboard. With the USB ports you can add that if you want it. The iPhone, I think, has demonstrated that for a number of use cases, a virtual keyboard is more than good enough. Because you've got a lot more screen real estate, you don't have to worry about scrunched fingers, it should relatively easy to make typing on it usable for most cases, and for more intensive use, you can always hook up an external keyboard. Ditto for the mouse, external if you want it, but not built in. The size means you've got something big enough to be creative with, it's big enough to easily visualize documents at 100% or near 100% resolution. The graphics should be a really solid graphics card, no crappy integrated cards - you should be able to run decent 2D/3D creative suites on this thing. The UI would NOT be just another copy of Windows. Keeping with the paper/pencil metaphor, you'd have one major window full screen. You might have tool windows here and there, but by and large you'd have one primary window. You could easily switch, and you wouldn't be limited to single tasking (from an OS stand point). Keeping the UI as uncluttered as possible would be an absolute must. Keeping the core preferences as simple as possible, with *well* thought out defaults so you can use it out of the box with as little as hassle as possible. Windows Explorer would be gone. Some so
Jim Crafton wrote:
The UI would NOT be just another copy of Windows.
You had me up to this point. I really want one that has full featured Windows 7 running on it so that my tablet is ready for all the software of the past along with all the new flashy fancy stuff coming out for the tablet. If I were to lose the ability to run Windows software, it would be no differnt than going an buying a Driod or something like that. I think it would also be cool to have a slide button of some kind or dial on the side or soemthing like that where you can zoom in and out without having to do that pinchy thing with your fingers. Depending on that day and lighting, a person might do a lot of zooming ;) But I would imagine people can survive with that pinchy thing ;) You left out a cam and microphone which would be handy. I too would like the larger display area.
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The Slate? There was something on The Register that claimed that HP was going to kill it. HP does have they TouchSmart, which seems like some interesting hardware, but the problem is that it's just running windows 7. Windows needs to be full revamped for what I'd like to see.
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
iPad has no USB
Like I said, you have to buy an adapter for it. http://store.apple.com/us/learnmore/MC497LL/A?group=ipad_camera_kit[^]
Jeremy Falcon
Yeah, but that USB adapter only works for transfering images from a camera into your iPad. You can't connect any other device to it like a hard drive or optical drive (well, you can, but nothing happens). Unless you jailbreak your iPad. I gues all the stuff necessary to access external devices is built into the iPad OS - you just can't get to it.
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Yep. That's why, to me at least, the iPad was such a disappointment. They have the libraries in house. They've just chosen to make use of them.
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Yeah, but that USB adapter only works for transfering images from a camera into your iPad. You can't connect any other device to it like a hard drive or optical drive (well, you can, but nothing happens). Unless you jailbreak your iPad. I gues all the stuff necessary to access external devices is built into the iPad OS - you just can't get to it.
Well that sucks. Maybe they'll update it to include better support for it then.
Jeremy Falcon
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So with all this talk about tablets and non-desktop form factors, here's what I would consider a magical revolutionary device and how I'd go about tackling it. I've been thinking about something like this for the past 3 or 4 years now, and especially since getting into 3D, I've been wishing more and more that there was something suitable. The driving idea behind the whole thing is something as simple and elegant as paper and pencil. I'd like to see something about the size of a notepad, say 8.5 X 11, with as much room as possible devoted to the screen, maybe a thumbswidth border around the screen. Couldn't be very thick either and it would have be reasonably durable. The screen would support multi-touch, as well as a full on tablet digitizer, pressure sensitivity, the whole 9 yards. It would be thick enough to support USB ports on the side, the hard drive would be SSD only. Some sort of optical drive would need to be in there as well. Or maybe not, maybe with support for USB, an external drive would be OK. Bluetooth support for external devices would be a must and it would have to exceptionally well implemented. There would be *no* physical keyboard. With the USB ports you can add that if you want it. The iPhone, I think, has demonstrated that for a number of use cases, a virtual keyboard is more than good enough. Because you've got a lot more screen real estate, you don't have to worry about scrunched fingers, it should relatively easy to make typing on it usable for most cases, and for more intensive use, you can always hook up an external keyboard. Ditto for the mouse, external if you want it, but not built in. The size means you've got something big enough to be creative with, it's big enough to easily visualize documents at 100% or near 100% resolution. The graphics should be a really solid graphics card, no crappy integrated cards - you should be able to run decent 2D/3D creative suites on this thing. The UI would NOT be just another copy of Windows. Keeping with the paper/pencil metaphor, you'd have one major window full screen. You might have tool windows here and there, but by and large you'd have one primary window. You could easily switch, and you wouldn't be limited to single tasking (from an OS stand point). Keeping the UI as uncluttered as possible would be an absolute must. Keeping the core preferences as simple as possible, with *well* thought out defaults so you can use it out of the box with as little as hassle as possible. Windows Explorer would be gone. Some so