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  • J Jim Crafton

    http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/[^] might have what you're looking for. They have a lot of technical stuff for 3D related classes, and some things like: http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/store/category/160/Illustration---Foundation[^] http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/store/category/163/Painting[^] http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/store/category/166/Industrial-Design[^] Their videos tend to focus on the actual artistic technique or concept, as opposed to "heres-how-to-use-Photoshop-in-21-days". I have the one on Practical Light and Color and found it really useful. In fact this one: http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/store/product/323/Basic-Perspective-Form-Drawing[[^](http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/store/product/323/Basic-
    Perspective-Form-Drawing "New Window")] might be just what you're looking for.

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    You're one of the guys I was hoping to hear from since given all the cool 3d stuff you've been doing you obviosly have way too much time on your hands a good foundation in art. :) Thanks!

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    • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

      Christopher Duncan wrote:

      uch as the vanishing point, strong diagonals, objects / people facing in versus facing out of an image, etc.

      Are they really "art" concepts? I thought they were always concepts of graphics and drawing which are even taught in Engineering classes. For drawing concepts, my recommendation will be: The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain[^]. Or better attend their workshop. For design, I will recommend the Non Designers Design Book[^].

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      I'll check it out, thanks. [Exits whistling, "now if I only had a brain..."] :-D

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      • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

        Christopher Duncan wrote:

        uch as the vanishing point, strong diagonals, objects / people facing in versus facing out of an image, etc.

        Are they really "art" concepts? I thought they were always concepts of graphics and drawing which are even taught in Engineering classes. For drawing concepts, my recommendation will be: The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain[^]. Or better attend their workshop. For design, I will recommend the Non Designers Design Book[^].

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        ragnaroknrol
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        Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

        Are they really "art" concepts? I thought they were always concepts of graphics and drawing which are even taught in Engineering classes.

        Um...NO. Engineering classes for design teach how to depict things. Art design teaches how to create things. The distinction is that the science of how things look is shown up to the point of functionality for engineering. For artists they keep going until the item becomes something.

        If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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          You're one of the guys I was hoping to hear from since given all the cool 3d stuff you've been doing you obviosly have way too much time on your hands a good foundation in art. :) Thanks!

          Christopher Duncan
          www.PracticalUSA.com
          Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
          Copywriting Services

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          Jim Crafton
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          Yeah, well, you know how it is, I've got nothing better to do with my time I'm just very disciplined in how I use my free time. :)

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          • C Christopher Duncan

            I've decided to start studying art and graphic design so that I have better visual skills. My weapons of choice are all Adobe products, such as Illustrator, Photoshop, After Effects, etc. and there's no trouble finding learning resources for using the tools. It's the actual art education that I need. I'm completely self educated in techie stuff and anything else that I care about, so that's the way I approach learning rather than going to university classes. My largest problem at the moment is that I don't even know how to ask the right questions to help me find the learning resources I need. For example, I'm currently reading a book on artistic techniques via Photoshop. Along with software usage stuff, he touches on concepts such as the vanishing point, strong diagonals, objects / people facing in versus facing out of an image, etc. For anyone who spent 5 minutes in an art class, these are probably such obvious baby steps that they're laughable, but for me that's the level of education I'm looking for - basics, i.e. Art 101. Even so, I still don't know enough to bring up the right kinds of books via Google or Amazon. While I don't possess the spark of the great masters of art, I'm not without creative talent in a variety of directions, drawing included (was a cartoonist and sketch artist when I was young - just not a ver good one). I figure if I could start grounding myself in the fundamentals of composition, drawing, colors, design, etc. then I'll progress at a decent enough rate. Just don't know where to find these elusive basics. Anyone have any book / magazine / web site recommendations that provide high school level basics for those with an artistic urge? College level stuff is okay as well, provided I can first learn the fundamentals that are assumed at that level.

            Christopher Duncan
            www.PracticalUSA.com
            Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
            Copywriting Services

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            Wjousts
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            If you're looking for art students, I'd start with the local unemployment office. ;)

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            • J Jeremy Falcon

              Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

              For drawing concepts, my recommendation will be: The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain[^]. Or better attend their workshop.

              I bought that book for my ex-gf but I never read it myself. That sucks, I kinda wish I had it now so I could read it.

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              Rama Krishna Vavilala
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              Jeremy Falcon wrote:

              I could read it.

              Reading the book is not enough, you have to devote some time and practice. I wish I can attend one of the workshops.

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                I'll check it out, thanks. [Exits whistling, "now if I only had a brain..."] :-D

                Christopher Duncan
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                Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                Now, if you want to know about cartoons, screenplay, cinematography: I have book recommendations for those too :). I developed a brief fascination with several of these arts and crazily read several of the books. Of course, reading book can just get you to know some concepts (which was my aim) and it is the practice which is required more.

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                • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                  Now, if you want to know about cartoons, screenplay, cinematography: I have book recommendations for those too :). I developed a brief fascination with several of these arts and crazily read several of the books. Of course, reading book can just get you to know some concepts (which was my aim) and it is the practice which is required more.

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                  Yeah, I'd love to read that stuff, thanks!

                  Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                  Of course, reading book can just get you to know some concepts (which was my aim)

                  Mine, too.

                  Christopher Duncan
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                    If you're looking for art students, I'd start with the local unemployment office. ;)

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                    Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                    :laugh: Jokes Aside. The starting salaries for people having "Master of Fine Arts" are rising steadily and MFA from prestigious universities are worth more than MBAs from prestigious universities.

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                    • C Christopher Duncan

                      I've decided to start studying art and graphic design so that I have better visual skills. My weapons of choice are all Adobe products, such as Illustrator, Photoshop, After Effects, etc. and there's no trouble finding learning resources for using the tools. It's the actual art education that I need. I'm completely self educated in techie stuff and anything else that I care about, so that's the way I approach learning rather than going to university classes. My largest problem at the moment is that I don't even know how to ask the right questions to help me find the learning resources I need. For example, I'm currently reading a book on artistic techniques via Photoshop. Along with software usage stuff, he touches on concepts such as the vanishing point, strong diagonals, objects / people facing in versus facing out of an image, etc. For anyone who spent 5 minutes in an art class, these are probably such obvious baby steps that they're laughable, but for me that's the level of education I'm looking for - basics, i.e. Art 101. Even so, I still don't know enough to bring up the right kinds of books via Google or Amazon. While I don't possess the spark of the great masters of art, I'm not without creative talent in a variety of directions, drawing included (was a cartoonist and sketch artist when I was young - just not a ver good one). I figure if I could start grounding myself in the fundamentals of composition, drawing, colors, design, etc. then I'll progress at a decent enough rate. Just don't know where to find these elusive basics. Anyone have any book / magazine / web site recommendations that provide high school level basics for those with an artistic urge? College level stuff is okay as well, provided I can first learn the fundamentals that are assumed at that level.

                      Christopher Duncan
                      www.PracticalUSA.com
                      Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
                      Copywriting Services

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                      Maximilien
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                      Skip the software and use a box of prismacolor pencils[^] and a pad of papers. Go out, and draw, draw, draw whatever comes into your field of view. When you feel you start to like what your are doing, get in front of the 'puter and you will start crying because it's way harder, the direct interaction with a tablet is weird when coming from the analog world. If you want tutorial on how to use a software or plug-ins for said software, then use google (but I prefer using stumbleupon).

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                      • J Jim Crafton

                        Yeah, well, you know how it is, I've got nothing better to do with my time I'm just very disciplined in how I use my free time. :)

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                        No update in 3 weeks on the Invincible. For shame! ;P And she looks incredible, btw.

                        If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                          No update in 3 weeks on the Invincible. For shame! ;P And she looks incredible, btw.

                          If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                          Thanks! I've actually been busy with something else...

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                            Skip the software and use a box of prismacolor pencils[^] and a pad of papers. Go out, and draw, draw, draw whatever comes into your field of view. When you feel you start to like what your are doing, get in front of the 'puter and you will start crying because it's way harder, the direct interaction with a tablet is weird when coming from the analog world. If you want tutorial on how to use a software or plug-ins for said software, then use google (but I prefer using stumbleupon).

                            Watched code never compiles.

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                            Christopher Duncan
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                            Q: How do you get an art major off your front doorstep? A: Pay for the pizza.

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                              Yeah, I'd love to read that stuff, thanks!

                              Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                              Of course, reading book can just get you to know some concepts (which was my aim)

                              Mine, too.

                              Christopher Duncan
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                              Ok for comics and cartoons: Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud[^]. He has a book on making comics which I read, but Understand comics is much better. As I realized making comics is hard work and I should rather concentrate on building code. I got interested in comics as a medium after I read the Google Chrome Book[^]: technical details presented in an easy to understand format. For screenplay(screenwriting etc): Story: Substance, Structure, Style and The Principles of Screenwriting[^].

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                              • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                :laugh: Jokes Aside. The starting salaries for people having "Master of Fine Arts" are rising steadily and MFA from prestigious universities are worth more than MBAs from prestigious universities.

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                                Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                                and MFA from prestigious universities are worth more than MBAs from prestigious universities.

                                They damn well should be. A good MFA (or even a BFA) actually requires some skill and discipline to achieve, whereas MBAs seem nothing more than glorified toilet paper.

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                                  Skip the software and use a box of prismacolor pencils[^] and a pad of papers. Go out, and draw, draw, draw whatever comes into your field of view. When you feel you start to like what your are doing, get in front of the 'puter and you will start crying because it's way harder, the direct interaction with a tablet is weird when coming from the analog world. If you want tutorial on how to use a software or plug-ins for said software, then use google (but I prefer using stumbleupon).

                                  Watched code never compiles.

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                                  Maximilien wrote:

                                  When you feel you start to like what your are doing, get in front of the 'puter and you will start crying because it's way harder, the direct interaction with a tablet is weird when coming from the analog world.

                                  So true! I have been amazed at how ridiculously difficult it is to do things that would be trivial with real world sculpting or painting.

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                                    Thanks! I've actually been busy with something else...

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                                    You can't say that and not explain. Come on...

                                    If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                                      Q: How do you get an art major off your front doorstep? A: Pay for the pizza.

                                      Christopher Duncan
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                                      ragnaroknrol
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                                      BFA: Art and Design. Drawing, Painting, Printmaking. I have never delivered a pizza. :mad: So, would you like fries with that? :((

                                      If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                                        BFA: Art and Design. Drawing, Painting, Printmaking. I have never delivered a pizza. :mad: So, would you like fries with that? :((

                                        If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                                        Christopher Duncan
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                                        And given that you hang out on a programmer's site, dare I ask what you do for a living these days? ;P

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                                        • R ragnaroknrol

                                          You can't say that and not explain. Come on...

                                          If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                                          Jim Crafton
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                                          See this[^] :)

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