Any art students here?
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Q: How do you get an art major off your front doorstep? A: Pay for the pizza.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesChristopher Duncan wrote:
Q: How do you get an art major off your front doorstep? A: Pay for the pizza.
:laugh: My sister's working as a babysitter. An art student could never afford a car in Brooklyn to break into the pizza delivery business. :doh:
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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QA, Tech support, Programming... I'm an intern. :) Hoping to get a job here soon as a programmer. Relevance of my degree to the job I do: 0.1%.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Exactly. Pardon me, sir, but I believe this pizza is cold. :-D
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting Services;P jerk. You get a 5.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Wjousts wrote:
If you're looking for art students, I'd start with the local unemployment office.
Which was my family's justification for forbidding me to continue art past middle school. My aunt who is an artist makes most of her living off being a geographic terrain artist for the USGS. I find it rather fulfilling that I use art in my job in 3D graphics terrain reproduction. Mine isn't a hands-on form of art, but setting up algorithms that appear correct to the artist eye means my terrains tend to look better than everyone else's in the business. If perception is reality, then... well... I win in that arena. I know the joke was implied, and I do understand the reasoning. I just still raise an eyebrow on the joke because of my family's insistence that I not be allowed to take any more art in school. Now I am debating on going back and finishing what should have been allowed in the first place. :)
_________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....
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Skip the software and use a box of prismacolor pencils[^] and a pad of papers. Go out, and draw, draw, draw whatever comes into your field of view. When you feel you start to like what your are doing, get in front of the 'puter and you will start crying because it's way harder, the direct interaction with a tablet is weird when coming from the analog world. If you want tutorial on how to use a software or plug-ins for said software, then use google (but I prefer using stumbleupon).
Watched code never compiles.
Maximilien wrote:
Go out, and draw, draw, draw whatever comes into your field of view.
whether by pure chance or by subconscious design, I do 3D virtual world programming with a lot of the effort on efficient, but accurate terrains. Back when I was in art, I drew landscapes, I still photograph landscapes more than other things, though rarely post them anywhere. I am picky on my landscapes. :) A byproduct of my few years in art. :)
_________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
uch as the vanishing point, strong diagonals, objects / people facing in versus facing out of an image, etc.
Are they really "art" concepts? I thought they were always concepts of graphics and drawing which are even taught in Engineering classes. For drawing concepts, my recommendation will be: The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain[^]. Or better attend their workshop. For design, I will recommend the Non Designers Design Book[^].
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
For design, I will recommend the Non Designers Design Book[^].
Same here. Excellent book. As is her Non Designers Web Book[^]. :-\ Flynn
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;P jerk. You get a 5.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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I've decided to start studying art and graphic design so that I have better visual skills. My weapons of choice are all Adobe products, such as Illustrator, Photoshop, After Effects, etc. and there's no trouble finding learning resources for using the tools. It's the actual art education that I need. I'm completely self educated in techie stuff and anything else that I care about, so that's the way I approach learning rather than going to university classes. My largest problem at the moment is that I don't even know how to ask the right questions to help me find the learning resources I need. For example, I'm currently reading a book on artistic techniques via Photoshop. Along with software usage stuff, he touches on concepts such as the vanishing point, strong diagonals, objects / people facing in versus facing out of an image, etc. For anyone who spent 5 minutes in an art class, these are probably such obvious baby steps that they're laughable, but for me that's the level of education I'm looking for - basics, i.e. Art 101. Even so, I still don't know enough to bring up the right kinds of books via Google or Amazon. While I don't possess the spark of the great masters of art, I'm not without creative talent in a variety of directions, drawing included (was a cartoonist and sketch artist when I was young - just not a ver good one). I figure if I could start grounding myself in the fundamentals of composition, drawing, colors, design, etc. then I'll progress at a decent enough rate. Just don't know where to find these elusive basics. Anyone have any book / magazine / web site recommendations that provide high school level basics for those with an artistic urge? College level stuff is okay as well, provided I can first learn the fundamentals that are assumed at that level.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesYes, I have an MFA in Printmaking. I got into computers by accident and what it weird is that programming is a very similar challenge as art. It's problem solving. I would say learn a few basics, perspective, color etc. Get a book from a college bookstore for a beginning course, that is ALL you need to get going. Here's the part you do or don't want to hear:It will take time and you will need to have something to 'say' and this will develope over time so don't fret over it. I think it was Miro who said that art is a great profession if you can get through the first 40 years. You WILL NOT get it from any book(s), you will get it from doing it. Art is about SEEING, you don't see with your eyes, you see with your brain. Suggestion:Pick an idea, like advance/retreat. In visual arts light tends to advance, dark tends to retreat (lighter objects appear closer) but this can also be applied to greater things, like, uh, life, for instance. This rule can be broken and eventually you will break it. Then take a year and make some sketches with that theme on paper (or wood, canvas, etc) with whatever, pencil, pen, paint collage, it doesn't matter. Just SEE where it goes. Then lay the works out and look at them, look at the progression. One of the best things to do is get way back every once in a while and see the big picture, a bricklayer won't know how straight the bricks are unless he/she stands back fifty feet and looks at it. The other thing is to look at art, look at a LOT of it, look at Van Gogh (especially his progression in a very short time), look at the masters, look at the moderns (Mondrian and Klee are very rich sources for seeing), look at folk art, look at 'Outsider' art. Talk to 'art people' about art (don't talk to computer people about art unless they actually know something about it. I don't talk to artists about computers, waste of time). Also 'Fine' art is not anywhere near 'graphic' art. You can know the pantone color matching system by heart and all the space/design theorys in the world and you can decorate a room, or illustrate an article but it probably won't be art. Some programmers probably have vast programming knowledge but are completely unable to program 'elegantly', same is true in art. One last thing, I am programming novice, you people could whoop me good me, but I like my little 'programming', I think it's cool and I keep plugging away in my feeble manner, but I could probably whoop you at painting. :-D
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
For drawing concepts, my recommendation will be: The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain[^]. Or better attend their workshop.
I bought that book for my ex-gf but I never read it myself. That sucks, I kinda wish I had it now so I could read it.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:For drawing concepts, my recommendation will be: The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain[^]. Or better attend their workshop. I bought that book for my ex-gf but I never read it myself. That sucks, I kinda wish I had it now so I could read it.
I'd also recommend that book. I had some reasonable experience with sketching portraits, etc - but practicing consistently with some of the techniques in the book I managed to improve almost as much in one month as it took me previously in two years. As much to do with dedicating time to it, but still a good recommendation for the book :) -Glenn
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Ok for comics and cartoons: Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud[^]. He has a book on making comics which I read, but Understand comics is much better. As I realized making comics is hard work and I should rather concentrate on building code. I got interested in comics as a medium after I read the Google Chrome Book[^]: technical details presented in an easy to understand format. For screenplay(screenwriting etc): Story: Substance, Structure, Style and The Principles of Screenwriting[^].
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Ok for comics and cartoons:Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud[^].
If you're going down that route, definitely check out Will Eisner's book, Comicbooks and Sequential Art. Scott references it himself, as it's to do with using the medium to build up a story, whereas Scott's book is much more about deconstructing and critically analysing the medium. -Glenn
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Ok for comics and cartoons:Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud[^].
If you're going down that route, definitely check out Will Eisner's book, Comicbooks and Sequential Art. Scott references it himself, as it's to do with using the medium to build up a story, whereas Scott's book is much more about deconstructing and critically analysing the medium. -Glenn
Thanks! It looks nice. :)
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I've decided to start studying art and graphic design so that I have better visual skills. My weapons of choice are all Adobe products, such as Illustrator, Photoshop, After Effects, etc. and there's no trouble finding learning resources for using the tools. It's the actual art education that I need. I'm completely self educated in techie stuff and anything else that I care about, so that's the way I approach learning rather than going to university classes. My largest problem at the moment is that I don't even know how to ask the right questions to help me find the learning resources I need. For example, I'm currently reading a book on artistic techniques via Photoshop. Along with software usage stuff, he touches on concepts such as the vanishing point, strong diagonals, objects / people facing in versus facing out of an image, etc. For anyone who spent 5 minutes in an art class, these are probably such obvious baby steps that they're laughable, but for me that's the level of education I'm looking for - basics, i.e. Art 101. Even so, I still don't know enough to bring up the right kinds of books via Google or Amazon. While I don't possess the spark of the great masters of art, I'm not without creative talent in a variety of directions, drawing included (was a cartoonist and sketch artist when I was young - just not a ver good one). I figure if I could start grounding myself in the fundamentals of composition, drawing, colors, design, etc. then I'll progress at a decent enough rate. Just don't know where to find these elusive basics. Anyone have any book / magazine / web site recommendations that provide high school level basics for those with an artistic urge? College level stuff is okay as well, provided I can first learn the fundamentals that are assumed at that level.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesOpera (the Browser people) do a good tutorial on Web standards & design. One article http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/8-colour-theory/[^] covers basic of colour theory. A friend's daughter is doing her MA in design - I'll ask her (though as an artist she's not terribly organised, so I'm not very hopeful). Her mother used to teach art at secondary school (12-18 year olds) so she too might be able to help.
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I've decided to start studying art and graphic design so that I have better visual skills. My weapons of choice are all Adobe products, such as Illustrator, Photoshop, After Effects, etc. and there's no trouble finding learning resources for using the tools. It's the actual art education that I need. I'm completely self educated in techie stuff and anything else that I care about, so that's the way I approach learning rather than going to university classes. My largest problem at the moment is that I don't even know how to ask the right questions to help me find the learning resources I need. For example, I'm currently reading a book on artistic techniques via Photoshop. Along with software usage stuff, he touches on concepts such as the vanishing point, strong diagonals, objects / people facing in versus facing out of an image, etc. For anyone who spent 5 minutes in an art class, these are probably such obvious baby steps that they're laughable, but for me that's the level of education I'm looking for - basics, i.e. Art 101. Even so, I still don't know enough to bring up the right kinds of books via Google or Amazon. While I don't possess the spark of the great masters of art, I'm not without creative talent in a variety of directions, drawing included (was a cartoonist and sketch artist when I was young - just not a ver good one). I figure if I could start grounding myself in the fundamentals of composition, drawing, colors, design, etc. then I'll progress at a decent enough rate. Just don't know where to find these elusive basics. Anyone have any book / magazine / web site recommendations that provide high school level basics for those with an artistic urge? College level stuff is okay as well, provided I can first learn the fundamentals that are assumed at that level.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesDon't try to learn anything just yet. 99% of art is outside the "techie" spectrum. I'd go so far as to say that tech has very little to do with art. It's just that the tech world borrowed words to express creativity in this field. Code ART has nothing to do with ART just as Software ARCHITECT has nothing to do with ARCHITECTS. If you want to pursue this path, your best bet is to go an arts/humanities school or universities // or other controlled environment where you can grow as an artist. DO KEEP your tech know-how as it will help you a lot later on. Most people in the tech world have a skewed understanding of all things, due to their familiarity with all things technical... they will be of little or no help. Regards, An architect. PS. Take it slow. It took 6 years of university/architecture to teach me how little i know, but where there's a will... Also... Gnomon are regarded as one of the worst courses online on "art", but somehow every beginner seems to find their way into watching them. (the main reason being that watching is NOT doing, watching someone paint and thinking you'll be a good painter is like watching someone cook and thinking you'll be a great chef) Keep in mind that for the first couple of years you'll be ridiculed and you'l probably give up a few times(just like smoking :) If it comes back to you... then you best not let it pass and pursue it. I've been ridiculed one too many times by people who think that just because the computer behaves the way they want it to... then so must the whole world. It's funny when things seen to work, all exept that perfectly written code, when you use them... in the real world. :)
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:For drawing concepts, my recommendation will be: The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain[^]. Or better attend their workshop. I bought that book for my ex-gf but I never read it myself. That sucks, I kinda wish I had it now so I could read it.
I'd also recommend that book. I had some reasonable experience with sketching portraits, etc - but practicing consistently with some of the techniques in the book I managed to improve almost as much in one month as it took me previously in two years. As much to do with dedicating time to it, but still a good recommendation for the book :) -Glenn
glenndavidson wrote:
I managed to improve almost as much in one month as it took me previously in two years
Ok, now you made me want to buy it again. :)
Jeremy Falcon
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I've decided to start studying art and graphic design so that I have better visual skills. My weapons of choice are all Adobe products, such as Illustrator, Photoshop, After Effects, etc. and there's no trouble finding learning resources for using the tools. It's the actual art education that I need. I'm completely self educated in techie stuff and anything else that I care about, so that's the way I approach learning rather than going to university classes. My largest problem at the moment is that I don't even know how to ask the right questions to help me find the learning resources I need. For example, I'm currently reading a book on artistic techniques via Photoshop. Along with software usage stuff, he touches on concepts such as the vanishing point, strong diagonals, objects / people facing in versus facing out of an image, etc. For anyone who spent 5 minutes in an art class, these are probably such obvious baby steps that they're laughable, but for me that's the level of education I'm looking for - basics, i.e. Art 101. Even so, I still don't know enough to bring up the right kinds of books via Google or Amazon. While I don't possess the spark of the great masters of art, I'm not without creative talent in a variety of directions, drawing included (was a cartoonist and sketch artist when I was young - just not a ver good one). I figure if I could start grounding myself in the fundamentals of composition, drawing, colors, design, etc. then I'll progress at a decent enough rate. Just don't know where to find these elusive basics. Anyone have any book / magazine / web site recommendations that provide high school level basics for those with an artistic urge? College level stuff is okay as well, provided I can first learn the fundamentals that are assumed at that level.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting Servicesgrab a lot of paper and draw draw draw. don't worry about books, learn to exercise your vision. maybe take a class or two at a community college.
slartybardfast, but not too fast.