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Similarities between visual thinkers and liars...

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    There is no Object.

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    Mechanical
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    Trollslayer wrote:

    There is no Object.

    It is a CObject, the father of almost everyone: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ws8s10w4(VS.80).aspx[^]

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    • C Chris Mankowski

      I was talking to a few software developers, UML designers, network engineers and I discovered a common trait... when I asked them about a technology or process sometimes they looked up and to the left. TV shows say this is because the person is lying, but why would someone lie about Object inheritance? Then, I came across this link, and it suggests that they are a visual thinker and not necessarily lying... http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php[^] What do you think?

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      Marc Clifton
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      Chris Mankowski wrote:

      What do you think?

      I noticed I looked up and to the left when thinking of the answer. I think people in technology are trained to say what they think the other person wants to hear. Which is usually a lie. Marc

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      • C Chris Mankowski

        I was talking to a few software developers, UML designers, network engineers and I discovered a common trait... when I asked them about a technology or process sometimes they looked up and to the left. TV shows say this is because the person is lying, but why would someone lie about Object inheritance? Then, I came across this link, and it suggests that they are a visual thinker and not necessarily lying... http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php[^] What do you think?

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        ragnaroknrol
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        Chris Mankowski wrote:

        Then, I came across this link, and it suggests that they are a visual thinker and not necessarily lying...

        The two are not mutually exclusive. Looking to the left indicates you are tapping into the creative side of your brain. Looking to the right side indicates you are accessing the memory centers of the brain and the parts that deal with ordering. When answering a question, people usually have to remember something, so they look right. But in situations where memory isn't as important, and being able to internally figure stuff out is key, you will likely look left.

        If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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        • C Chris Mankowski

          I was talking to a few software developers, UML designers, network engineers and I discovered a common trait... when I asked them about a technology or process sometimes they looked up and to the left. TV shows say this is because the person is lying, but why would someone lie about Object inheritance? Then, I came across this link, and it suggests that they are a visual thinker and not necessarily lying... http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php[^] What do you think?

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          Joe Woodbury
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          Shouldn't we also distinguish between lying and bullshitting? (Yes, there's often overlap. On the other hand, I once worked with someone who could bullshit like there was no tomorrow. When you looked back, you couldn't identify any single incorrect statement, but in totality the message he was sending simply wasn't true.)

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          • J Joe Woodbury

            Shouldn't we also distinguish between lying and bullshitting? (Yes, there's often overlap. On the other hand, I once worked with someone who could bullshit like there was no tomorrow. When you looked back, you couldn't identify any single incorrect statement, but in totality the message he was sending simply wasn't true.)

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            Ian Shlasko
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            Basically you have to distinguish between lies and deception, because the two are NOT the same. Anyone who's read Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series will remember the Aes Sedai witches... They were all sworn (magically) to "never speak a word that is not true." Hence, they became experts at twisting the truth to mean whatever it wanted. Using only true statements, they would imply something completely different and false. Hence, the quote, "Are you sure the truth you heard is the truth you think you heard?" When dealing with idiots, it can be a fun little game... See how much you can warp their perception without actually uttering a false statement :)

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            • C Chris Mankowski

              I was talking to a few software developers, UML designers, network engineers and I discovered a common trait... when I asked them about a technology or process sometimes they looked up and to the left. TV shows say this is because the person is lying, but why would someone lie about Object inheritance? Then, I came across this link, and it suggests that they are a visual thinker and not necessarily lying... http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php[^] What do you think?

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              Mladen Jankovic
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              Eye Direction and Lying article:

              Frogs into Princes: Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP)

              I'm not sure I can recognize liar by looking at his eyes but I can recognize bull s*it article.

              [Genetic Algorithm Library] [Wowd]

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              • R ragnaroknrol

                Chris Mankowski wrote:

                Then, I came across this link, and it suggests that they are a visual thinker and not necessarily lying...

                The two are not mutually exclusive. Looking to the left indicates you are tapping into the creative side of your brain. Looking to the right side indicates you are accessing the memory centers of the brain and the parts that deal with ordering. When answering a question, people usually have to remember something, so they look right. But in situations where memory isn't as important, and being able to internally figure stuff out is key, you will likely look left.

                If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                El Corazon
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                ragnaroknrol wrote:

                When answering a question, people usually have to remember something, so they look right. But in situations where memory isn't as important, and being able to internally figure stuff out is key, you will likely look left.

                Damn!! That answers a lot of my own behavior! See... I return to CP just in time to get a psychology lesson. :) I do just that, if you ask me about my code, I look up to the right, and you can almost see me looking across the lines of code as my eyes look like I am reading as I remember the code. But if you ask me something related R&D I look up to the left and try fitting together loose concepts to answer the problem in a new method that someone has not done yet.

                _________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....

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                • L Lost User

                  There is no Object.

                  Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                  Bassam Abdul Baki
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                  I object!

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    There may be cake:

                    Cake cake = (Cake) Object;

                    Did you know: That by counting the rings on a tree trunk, you can tell how many other trees it has slept with.

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                    Oooh cake! I hope it's chocolate. :-D

                    BDF I often make very large prints from unexposed film, and every one of them turns out to be a picture of myself as I once dreamed I would be. -- BillWoodruff

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                    • C Chris Mankowski

                      I was talking to a few software developers, UML designers, network engineers and I discovered a common trait... when I asked them about a technology or process sometimes they looked up and to the left. TV shows say this is because the person is lying, but why would someone lie about Object inheritance? Then, I came across this link, and it suggests that they are a visual thinker and not necessarily lying... http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php[^] What do you think?

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                      Jordy Kaiwa Ruiter
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                      Woah I think that that link pretty much sums up all my eye movement behaviour. It exactly matches mine! Thats quite funny, good link! :)

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                      • I Ian Shlasko

                        Basically you have to distinguish between lies and deception, because the two are NOT the same. Anyone who's read Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series will remember the Aes Sedai witches... They were all sworn (magically) to "never speak a word that is not true." Hence, they became experts at twisting the truth to mean whatever it wanted. Using only true statements, they would imply something completely different and false. Hence, the quote, "Are you sure the truth you heard is the truth you think you heard?" When dealing with idiots, it can be a fun little game... See how much you can warp their perception without actually uttering a false statement :)

                        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                        Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                        ragnaroknrol
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                        Ian Shlasko wrote:

                        When dealing with idiots, it can be a fun little game... See how much you can warp their perception without actually uttering a false statement

                        Why do I have an experiment in my mind now involving the back room...?

                        If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                        • C Chris Mankowski

                          I was talking to a few software developers, UML designers, network engineers and I discovered a common trait... when I asked them about a technology or process sometimes they looked up and to the left. TV shows say this is because the person is lying, but why would someone lie about Object inheritance? Then, I came across this link, and it suggests that they are a visual thinker and not necessarily lying... http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php[^] What do you think?

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                          peterchen
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                          Simple statements for simple minds.

                          Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            There may be cake:

                            Cake cake = (Cake) Object;

                            Did you know: That by counting the rings on a tree trunk, you can tell how many other trees it has slept with.

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                            if (This.History(-1) == Triumph)
                            {
                            Note.Add(HUGE_SUCCESS);
                            int16 ApparentSatisfaction = Int16.MaxValue;
                            int32 ActualSatisfaction= Int32.MaxValue;
                            }

                            Dammit, now I'm going to be trying to make the entire song like this all day.

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                              if (This.History(-1) == Triumph)
                              {
                              Note.Add(HUGE_SUCCESS);
                              int16 ApparentSatisfaction = Int16.MaxValue;
                              int32 ActualSatisfaction= Int32.MaxValue;
                              }

                              Dammit, now I'm going to be trying to make the entire song like this all day.

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                              OriginalGriff
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                              I just want to see you translate Bohemian Rhapsody into C#. And anything by Hendrix... :laugh:

                              Did you know: That by counting the rings on a tree trunk, you can tell how many other trees it has slept with.

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                              • C Chris Mankowski

                                I was talking to a few software developers, UML designers, network engineers and I discovered a common trait... when I asked them about a technology or process sometimes they looked up and to the left. TV shows say this is because the person is lying, but why would someone lie about Object inheritance? Then, I came across this link, and it suggests that they are a visual thinker and not necessarily lying... http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php[^] What do you think?

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                                Mark_Wallace
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                                Unfortunately, the "looking this way means you're lying" malarkey is all bollocks.

                                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  I just want to see you translate Bohemian Rhapsody into C#. And anything by Hendrix... :laugh:

                                  Did you know: That by counting the rings on a tree trunk, you can tell how many other trees it has slept with.

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                                  ...intial attempt damn you.

                                  try
                                  {
                                  if (this == REAL_LIFE || this == FANTASY)
                                  {
                                  }
                                  catch (Exception LandSlide)
                                  {
                                  }
                                  string Result = ""
                                  while (REALITY == REALITY)
                                  {
                                  Result = "no";
                                  break;
                                  }
                                  your.eyes.open();
                                  eyes.target(sky);

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                                    ...intial attempt damn you.

                                    try
                                    {
                                    if (this == REAL_LIFE || this == FANTASY)
                                    {
                                    }
                                    catch (Exception LandSlide)
                                    {
                                    }
                                    string Result = ""
                                    while (REALITY == REALITY)
                                    {
                                    Result = "no";
                                    break;
                                    }
                                    your.eyes.open();
                                    eyes.target(sky);

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                                    OriginalGriff
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                                    ROFL!

                                    Did you know: That by counting the rings on a tree trunk, you can tell how many other trees it has slept with.

                                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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