Back to the Stone Age...
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This is why "old" people like us should be revered and employed by companies these days. Yes, we are deemed old and doddery, but the companies pay for our experience, knowledge about all things, (not just the most recent fancy buzzword bonanza environments) and the certainty of a job well done to OUR own standards which are generally higher than normal. We were brought up to do things right, not slap it out and let the users test it for us.
Film guaranteeing a "woh!" moment - Fantastic Four, Rise of the Silver Surfer. Anyone who has seen the film will know which clip I am on about.
Baconbutty wrote:
the companies pay for our experience, knowledge about all things, (not just the most recent fancy buzzword bonanza environments) and the certainty of a job well done to OUR own standards which are generally higher than normal.
Nail on head. :thumbsup:
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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Norm .net wrote:
Persistance makes a good programmer.
Yep. Like we discussed[^]. :)
Workout progress:
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This is why "old" people like us should be revered and employed by companies these days. Yes, we are deemed old and doddery, but the companies pay for our experience, knowledge about all things, (not just the most recent fancy buzzword bonanza environments) and the certainty of a job well done to OUR own standards which are generally higher than normal. We were brought up to do things right, not slap it out and let the users test it for us.
Film guaranteeing a "woh!" moment - Fantastic Four, Rise of the Silver Surfer. Anyone who has seen the film will know which clip I am on about.
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Baconbutty wrote:
We were brought up to do things right,
And never every spoon feed with answers all the way. Persistance makes a good programmer.
Two heads are better than one.
Norm .net wrote:
And never every spoon feed with answers all the way.
There was no-one there to do any spoon-feeding! Every job I went to used completely different /everything/, and you had to learn it all fast (usually redesigning and fixing it on the way) or ship out!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Aye, but we had it tough. :laugh:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
There were eight-teen of us workin' in that septic tank!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Because of Adobe's decision that anyone who installs Acrobat may not customise their MS Visio toolbars, etc. (their Visio toolbar add-in actually deletes the customisations when you close Visio), I created a .reg file to put them back in before starting Visio. Getting fed up with having to (read: "forgetting to") import the .reg file before starting Visio, I thought "Isn't there a freeware program somewhere that I can use to import them then run the app?" Whilst looking for a freeware program to do that, I suddenly had a flashback to the days of yore, when I used to do that kind of cr@p all the time, and I ended up knocking out a DOS batch file to do it. Once upon a time, it was second nature for me to handle things like that with batch files, DOSKey, etc, but it took a looooong time for me to come to the conclusion that that was what I needed, because I've become so used to clicking buttons, installing mini-apps, and importing libraries/frameworks/etc. to do everything! Kids these days have got it too easy! It looks like I really have forgotten more than they're likely to ever know.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Because of Adobe's decision that anyone who installs Acrobat may not customise their MS Visio toolbars, etc. (their Visio toolbar add-in actually deletes the customisations when you close Visio), I created a .reg file to put them back in before starting Visio. Getting fed up with having to (read: "forgetting to") import the .reg file before starting Visio, I thought "Isn't there a freeware program somewhere that I can use to import them then run the app?" Whilst looking for a freeware program to do that, I suddenly had a flashback to the days of yore, when I used to do that kind of cr@p all the time, and I ended up knocking out a DOS batch file to do it. Once upon a time, it was second nature for me to handle things like that with batch files, DOSKey, etc, but it took a looooong time for me to come to the conclusion that that was what I needed, because I've become so used to clicking buttons, installing mini-apps, and importing libraries/frameworks/etc. to do everything! Kids these days have got it too easy! It looks like I really have forgotten more than they're likely to ever know.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark Wallace wrote:
Because of Adobe's decision that anyone who installs Acrobat may not customise their MS Visio toolbars, etc. (their Visio toolbar add-in actually deletes the customisations when you close Visio), I created a .reg file to put them back in before starting Visio.
what are you saying? If someone one installed Adobe's Visio add-in it deletes visio's toolbar customization? what a pile of crap. Don't need their toolbar near my install of any products.:mad: :wtf: :omg: X|
Yusuf May I help you?
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Because of Adobe's decision that anyone who installs Acrobat may not customise their MS Visio toolbars, etc. (their Visio toolbar add-in actually deletes the customisations when you close Visio), I created a .reg file to put them back in before starting Visio. Getting fed up with having to (read: "forgetting to") import the .reg file before starting Visio, I thought "Isn't there a freeware program somewhere that I can use to import them then run the app?" Whilst looking for a freeware program to do that, I suddenly had a flashback to the days of yore, when I used to do that kind of cr@p all the time, and I ended up knocking out a DOS batch file to do it. Once upon a time, it was second nature for me to handle things like that with batch files, DOSKey, etc, but it took a looooong time for me to come to the conclusion that that was what I needed, because I've become so used to clicking buttons, installing mini-apps, and importing libraries/frameworks/etc. to do everything! Kids these days have got it too easy! It looks like I really have forgotten more than they're likely to ever know.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark Wallace wrote:
Because of Adobe's decision that anyone who installs Acrobat may not customise their MS Visio toolbars, etc. (their Visio toolbar add-in actually deletes the customisations when you close Visio), I created a .reg file to put them back in before starting Visio.
what are you saying? If someone one installed Adobe's Visio add-in it deletes visio's toolbar customization? what a pile of crap. Don't need their toolbar near my install of any products.:mad: :wtf: :omg: X|
Yusuf May I help you?
Yusuf wrote:
what are you saying? If someone one installed Adobe's Visio add-in it deletes visio's toolbar customization?
Yup. It's listed as a known problem at MS, with the only solution being to uninstall Acrobat (which I would very happily do, but that would require a corporate ruling that we use a better PDF client). If you look at Adobe and MS comments on it, it's like watching a pair of kids fighting over who broke a vase.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yusuf wrote:
what are you saying? If someone one installed Adobe's Visio add-in it deletes visio's toolbar customization?
Yup. It's listed as a known problem at MS, with the only solution being to uninstall Acrobat (which I would very happily do, but that would require a corporate ruling that we use a better PDF client). If you look at Adobe and MS comments on it, it's like watching a pair of kids fighting over who broke a vase.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Dare I ask how Adobe can claim that their garbage stomping over a separate apps saved settings is not a problem they need to fix?
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
Because they're Adobe, of course! What a ridiculous question! Next, you'll be saying that Steve Jobs might have made a mistake, some time during his life! Get real! Here's the MS page on it: Toolbars that you customize are reset to use the default settings when you restart Visio 2003 or Visio 2002[^] The page hasn't been updated since 2007 (and I imagine the <spits> ribbon isn't affected), but the problem persists with all later versions of Acrobat. It's also not strictly accurate, in that it states that the customisations are removed when Visio starts. They're not; they're removed when it's closed (I've watched the registry entry disappear). Putting the registry entries back in before starting Visio works a treat. Shame CP doesn't have a tips page for things like this. Lots of people complain about it on the net, but I haven't seen anyone else come up with a working solution that allows you to "have it all".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Because of Adobe's decision that anyone who installs Acrobat may not customise their MS Visio toolbars, etc. (their Visio toolbar add-in actually deletes the customisations when you close Visio), I created a .reg file to put them back in before starting Visio. Getting fed up with having to (read: "forgetting to") import the .reg file before starting Visio, I thought "Isn't there a freeware program somewhere that I can use to import them then run the app?" Whilst looking for a freeware program to do that, I suddenly had a flashback to the days of yore, when I used to do that kind of cr@p all the time, and I ended up knocking out a DOS batch file to do it. Once upon a time, it was second nature for me to handle things like that with batch files, DOSKey, etc, but it took a looooong time for me to come to the conclusion that that was what I needed, because I've become so used to clicking buttons, installing mini-apps, and importing libraries/frameworks/etc. to do everything! Kids these days have got it too easy! It looks like I really have forgotten more than they're likely to ever know.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Sonnuvabatch...
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Aye, but we had it tough. :laugh:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
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Because of Adobe's decision that anyone who installs Acrobat may not customise their MS Visio toolbars, etc. (their Visio toolbar add-in actually deletes the customisations when you close Visio), I created a .reg file to put them back in before starting Visio. Getting fed up with having to (read: "forgetting to") import the .reg file before starting Visio, I thought "Isn't there a freeware program somewhere that I can use to import them then run the app?" Whilst looking for a freeware program to do that, I suddenly had a flashback to the days of yore, when I used to do that kind of cr@p all the time, and I ended up knocking out a DOS batch file to do it. Once upon a time, it was second nature for me to handle things like that with batch files, DOSKey, etc, but it took a looooong time for me to come to the conclusion that that was what I needed, because I've become so used to clicking buttons, installing mini-apps, and importing libraries/frameworks/etc. to do everything! Kids these days have got it too easy! It looks like I really have forgotten more than they're likely to ever know.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Because of Adobe's decision that anyone who installs Acrobat may not customise their MS Visio toolbars, etc. (their Visio toolbar add-in actually deletes the customisations when you close Visio), I created a .reg file to put them back in before starting Visio. Getting fed up with having to (read: "forgetting to") import the .reg file before starting Visio, I thought "Isn't there a freeware program somewhere that I can use to import them then run the app?" Whilst looking for a freeware program to do that, I suddenly had a flashback to the days of yore, when I used to do that kind of cr@p all the time, and I ended up knocking out a DOS batch file to do it. Once upon a time, it was second nature for me to handle things like that with batch files, DOSKey, etc, but it took a looooong time for me to come to the conclusion that that was what I needed, because I've become so used to clicking buttons, installing mini-apps, and importing libraries/frameworks/etc. to do everything! Kids these days have got it too easy! It looks like I really have forgotten more than they're likely to ever know.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Batch files are the perfect answer for little ( and some not so little jobs ) that don't require installation of software or dev tools. Got a few kicking around amongst the integration systems that just sit quietly , do their job and never complain :D
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Because of Adobe's decision that anyone who installs Acrobat may not customise their MS Visio toolbars, etc. (their Visio toolbar add-in actually deletes the customisations when you close Visio), I created a .reg file to put them back in before starting Visio. Getting fed up with having to (read: "forgetting to") import the .reg file before starting Visio, I thought "Isn't there a freeware program somewhere that I can use to import them then run the app?" Whilst looking for a freeware program to do that, I suddenly had a flashback to the days of yore, when I used to do that kind of cr@p all the time, and I ended up knocking out a DOS batch file to do it. Once upon a time, it was second nature for me to handle things like that with batch files, DOSKey, etc, but it took a looooong time for me to come to the conclusion that that was what I needed, because I've become so used to clicking buttons, installing mini-apps, and importing libraries/frameworks/etc. to do everything! Kids these days have got it too easy! It looks like I really have forgotten more than they're likely to ever know.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Because of Adobe's decision that anyone who installs Acrobat may not customise their MS Visio toolbars, etc. (their Visio toolbar add-in actually deletes the customisations when you close Visio), I created a .reg file to put them back in before starting Visio. Getting fed up with having to (read: "forgetting to") import the .reg file before starting Visio, I thought "Isn't there a freeware program somewhere that I can use to import them then run the app?" Whilst looking for a freeware program to do that, I suddenly had a flashback to the days of yore, when I used to do that kind of cr@p all the time, and I ended up knocking out a DOS batch file to do it. Once upon a time, it was second nature for me to handle things like that with batch files, DOSKey, etc, but it took a looooong time for me to come to the conclusion that that was what I needed, because I've become so used to clicking buttons, installing mini-apps, and importing libraries/frameworks/etc. to do everything! Kids these days have got it too easy! It looks like I really have forgotten more than they're likely to ever know.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Remember when you could throw batch scripts into the windows start up process? I did this once and put a message like 'To delete all the files from this computer please press any key...' I heard second hand that the computer wasn't started for the whole day and at least four 'technicians' came to look at it. definitely the most productive use of batching.
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Batch files are the perfect answer for little ( and some not so little jobs ) that don't require installation of software or dev tools. Got a few kicking around amongst the integration systems that just sit quietly , do their job and never complain :D
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This is why "old" people like us should be revered and employed by companies these days. Yes, we are deemed old and doddery, but the companies pay for our experience, knowledge about all things, (not just the most recent fancy buzzword bonanza environments) and the certainty of a job well done to OUR own standards which are generally higher than normal. We were brought up to do things right, not slap it out and let the users test it for us.
Film guaranteeing a "woh!" moment - Fantastic Four, Rise of the Silver Surfer. Anyone who has seen the film will know which clip I am on about.
Oh Yes! WHS!
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At 28, my grandfather taught me batch files when i was 6 years old. I still use them today in my development environment to execute commands prior to issuing MSBuild tasks, etc. So I don't think it's necessarily "stone age" ;)
BC3Tech wrote:
I don't think it's necessarily "stone age"
I agree, but it is supprising how many newer techs don't know it. I am sure there will come a day when I say, Back in the days when I wrote a vbscript to do that" and be looked at with contempt.