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Jim Crafton wrote:
Right but with some forms of fusion don't you need a boat load of energy to at least initiate the fusion?
no, that's funk. funk requires a lot of energy to get going, but once it does, anyone in the vicinity will be stimulated into releasing energy of their own. fusion (especially "jazz fusion" which takes the technicality of jazz and the volume from rock, combined with the noodling navel-gazing of prog), is just boring. it's like watching writers practice their typing skills.
Then I need to get me some funk. right away!
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Then I need to get me some funk. right away!
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It's in the Garage.
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Right but with some forms of fusion don't you need a boat load of energy to at least initiate the fusion? So the concern would be some sort of accident with the initial power source. Granted I don't really pretend to understand what this guy is claiming either so who knows.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Right but with some forms of fusion don't you need a boat load of energy to at least initiate the fusion? So the concern would be some sort of accident with the initial power source.
So as long as the power source is say... the same as a utility power you are fine? Most of these systems merely take electricity. Whether powering lasers or other systems, you are simply powering the equipment. One of my friends in high school build a miniature nuclear accelerator, now that is a little more difficult, and a little more dangerous.... fusion? naw... about the only danger is drawing a little too much electricity than you can pay for. As long as he is paying his bills let him tinker. :) Most people don't know the difference between fission and fusion, or they think of fusion only as hydrogen to hydrogen fusion which does require lots of energy. What most of these guys are doing is trying to find fuel sources, usually hydrogen and some other element, that requires less energy to fuse, but still get enough energy out to make it effective. You aren't likely to get any extremely violent bursts of energy without getting a direct feed from Palo Verde, and I am not letting him touch mine. ;P In most cases these guys are dealing with the hope of getting say 10% more energy than they put in.... so put in a kilowatt and get out 1.1 kilowatt. And that is still only hope.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Right but with some forms of fusion don't you need a boat load of energy to at least initiate the fusion? So the concern would be some sort of accident with the initial power source.
So as long as the power source is say... the same as a utility power you are fine? Most of these systems merely take electricity. Whether powering lasers or other systems, you are simply powering the equipment. One of my friends in high school build a miniature nuclear accelerator, now that is a little more difficult, and a little more dangerous.... fusion? naw... about the only danger is drawing a little too much electricity than you can pay for. As long as he is paying his bills let him tinker. :) Most people don't know the difference between fission and fusion, or they think of fusion only as hydrogen to hydrogen fusion which does require lots of energy. What most of these guys are doing is trying to find fuel sources, usually hydrogen and some other element, that requires less energy to fuse, but still get enough energy out to make it effective. You aren't likely to get any extremely violent bursts of energy without getting a direct feed from Palo Verde, and I am not letting him touch mine. ;P In most cases these guys are dealing with the hope of getting say 10% more energy than they put in.... so put in a kilowatt and get out 1.1 kilowatt. And that is still only hope.
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Anything over Q1 is good, although given the energy requirements for ancillary equipment, and large scale distribution and allowing for voltage drop, Q4 is the goal for a fusion reaction.
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A small reaction is common but has he looked at the engineering required to scale up? Interesting though.
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Trollslayer wrote:
A small reaction is common but has he looked at the engineering required to scale up? Interesting though.
Most have. As mentioned in the article there are many tiny one or two man shops trying to find the holy grail of fusion. Since the big attempts at large scale systems have all been on hydrogen to hydrogen which requires so much energy in to get started, most of these small shops have focused on finding alternative fusion fuels that require less energy input but still get energy out. If you start looking at the chart of elements as a many to many relationship.... they have lots of combinations to try.
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Anything over Q1 is good, although given the energy requirements for ancillary equipment, and large scale distribution and allowing for voltage drop, Q4 is the goal for a fusion reaction.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Anything over Q1 is good, although given the energy requirements for ancillary equipment, and large scale distribution and allowing for voltage drop, Q4 is the goal for a fusion reaction.
Right which is why all the large scale groups are focusing on the large scale production of hydrogen/hydrogen fusion. It has the most hope for gain. these small timers are trying to find the penny ante stuff at the bottom end, they aren't focused the same as the big efforts.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Anything over Q1 is good, although given the energy requirements for ancillary equipment, and large scale distribution and allowing for voltage drop, Q4 is the goal for a fusion reaction.
Right which is why all the large scale groups are focusing on the large scale production of hydrogen/hydrogen fusion. It has the most hope for gain. these small timers are trying to find the penny ante stuff at the bottom end, they aren't focused the same as the big efforts.
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Indeed, and it is the many little steps of the micro generators that will make up the leaps of the industrial scale reactors.
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Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.
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I've done this experiment with nothing more than a bottle of Coke Cola. You just shake it up real good, pop the top and *WHOOSH!* fusion all over the place. :rolleyes:
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I've done this experiment with nothing more than a bottle of Coke Cola. You just shake it up real good, pop the top and *WHOOSH!* fusion all over the place. :rolleyes:
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Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTLSurely that is a Fizzon reaction?
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Trollslayer wrote:
A small reaction is common but has he looked at the engineering required to scale up? Interesting though.
Most have. As mentioned in the article there are many tiny one or two man shops trying to find the holy grail of fusion. Since the big attempts at large scale systems have all been on hydrogen to hydrogen which requires so much energy in to get started, most of these small shops have focused on finding alternative fusion fuels that require less energy input but still get energy out. If you start looking at the chart of elements as a many to many relationship.... they have lots of combinations to try.
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I've done this experiment with nothing more than a bottle of Coke Cola. You just shake it up real good, pop the top and *WHOOSH!* fusion all over the place. :rolleyes:
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Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTLDouglas Troy wrote:
You just shake it up real good, pop the top and *WHOOSH!* fusion all over the place.
It is much better with Mentos[^]!
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Indeed, and it is the many little steps of the micro generators that will make up the leaps of the industrial scale reactors.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Indeed, and it is the many little steps of the micro generators that will make up the leaps of the industrial scale reactors.
That is one reason that I prefer to let these guys work on their stuff. You never know what they might find too. It is entirely possible you could build up through the micro fusion reactors to power the big guys. Or they might stumble across a really nice combination of fuels. As long as they don't use large quantities of flammables and expect them not to be ... energetic... when applied with a heating laser... :)
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Douglas Troy wrote:
You just shake it up real good, pop the top and *WHOOSH!* fusion all over the place.
It is much better with Mentos[^]!
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Gotta love those guys. There are some really great videos on YouTube of Mento/Coke experiments put to music. Diet Coke + Mentos[^] There's also the Coke Zero Rocket Car ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-hXcRtbj1Y[^]
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Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.
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Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.
Jim, I could set up a local viewing of "Chain Reaction" for you and all your neighbors if you would like. It'll make you feel much better! :laugh: :laugh:
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.
Jim, I could set up a local viewing of "Chain Reaction" for you and all your neighbors if you would like. It'll make you feel much better! :laugh: :laugh:
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Are you a Diana Ross fan then?
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Are you a Diana Ross fan then?
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Are you a Diana Ross fan then?
I didn't even know about that album... i had to google. Nope, worse.... Chain Reaction[^]
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All we need is plenty of helium III - a trip to the Moon anyone?
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IIRC Helium3 fusion requires significantly more energy than tritium fusion; its advantage is that it produced very few neutrons. (The main chain is neutron free, at least one of the side chains can produce them.) H1 + B11 is the first completely anuetronic reaction; it only requires ~10x the energy of tritium. :sigh:
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.
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If I remember correctly from my physics lessons at school one of the fundamental laws of physics says that energy can neither be created or destroyed only converted from one form to another. Therefore, to get more energy out than was put in requires its efficieny to be greater than 100% as yet, totally unachievable.
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