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  • D Dalek Dave

    Anything over Q1 is good, although given the energy requirements for ancillary equipment, and large scale distribution and allowing for voltage drop, Q4 is the goal for a fusion reaction.

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    El Corazon
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    Dalek Dave wrote:

    Anything over Q1 is good, although given the energy requirements for ancillary equipment, and large scale distribution and allowing for voltage drop, Q4 is the goal for a fusion reaction.

    Right which is why all the large scale groups are focusing on the large scale production of hydrogen/hydrogen fusion. It has the most hope for gain. these small timers are trying to find the penny ante stuff at the bottom end, they aren't focused the same as the big efforts.

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      Dalek Dave wrote:

      Anything over Q1 is good, although given the energy requirements for ancillary equipment, and large scale distribution and allowing for voltage drop, Q4 is the goal for a fusion reaction.

      Right which is why all the large scale groups are focusing on the large scale production of hydrogen/hydrogen fusion. It has the most hope for gain. these small timers are trying to find the penny ante stuff at the bottom end, they aren't focused the same as the big efforts.

      _________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....

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      Dalek Dave
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      Indeed, and it is the many little steps of the micro generators that will make up the leaps of the industrial scale reactors.

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      • J Jim Crafton

        Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.

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        Douglas Troy
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        I've done this experiment with nothing more than a bottle of Coke Cola. You just shake it up real good, pop the top and *WHOOSH!* fusion all over the place. :rolleyes:


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        • D Douglas Troy

          I've done this experiment with nothing more than a bottle of Coke Cola. You just shake it up real good, pop the top and *WHOOSH!* fusion all over the place. :rolleyes:


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          Dalek Dave
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          Surely that is a Fizzon reaction?

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          • E El Corazon

            Trollslayer wrote:

            A small reaction is common but has he looked at the engineering required to scale up? Interesting though.

            Most have. As mentioned in the article there are many tiny one or two man shops trying to find the holy grail of fusion. Since the big attempts at large scale systems have all been on hydrogen to hydrogen which requires so much energy in to get started, most of these small shops have focused on finding alternative fusion fuels that require less energy input but still get energy out. If you start looking at the chart of elements as a many to many relationship.... they have lots of combinations to try.

            _________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....

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            All we need is plenty of helium III - a trip to the Moon anyone?

            Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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            • D Douglas Troy

              I've done this experiment with nothing more than a bottle of Coke Cola. You just shake it up real good, pop the top and *WHOOSH!* fusion all over the place. :rolleyes:


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              El Corazon
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              Douglas Troy wrote:

              You just shake it up real good, pop the top and *WHOOSH!* fusion all over the place.

              It is much better with Mentos[^]!

              _________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....

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              • D Dalek Dave

                Indeed, and it is the many little steps of the micro generators that will make up the leaps of the industrial scale reactors.

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                El Corazon
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                Dalek Dave wrote:

                Indeed, and it is the many little steps of the micro generators that will make up the leaps of the industrial scale reactors.

                That is one reason that I prefer to let these guys work on their stuff. You never know what they might find too. It is entirely possible you could build up through the micro fusion reactors to power the big guys. Or they might stumble across a really nice combination of fuels. As long as they don't use large quantities of flammables and expect them not to be ... energetic... when applied with a heating laser... :)

                _________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....

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                • E El Corazon

                  Douglas Troy wrote:

                  You just shake it up real good, pop the top and *WHOOSH!* fusion all over the place.

                  It is much better with Mentos[^]!

                  _________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....

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                  Douglas Troy
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                  Gotta love those guys. There are some really great videos on YouTube of Mento/Coke experiments put to music. Diet Coke + Mentos[^] There's also the Coke Zero Rocket Car ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-hXcRtbj1Y[^]


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                  • J Jim Crafton

                    Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.

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                    peterchen
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                    Admit it, you are complaining just because you are near.

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                    • J Jim Crafton

                      Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.

                      ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                      El Corazon
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                      Jim Crafton wrote:

                      Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.

                      Jim, I could set up a local viewing of "Chain Reaction" for you and all your neighbors if you would like. It'll make you feel much better! :laugh: :laugh:

                      _________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....

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                      • E El Corazon

                        Jim Crafton wrote:

                        Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.

                        Jim, I could set up a local viewing of "Chain Reaction" for you and all your neighbors if you would like. It'll make you feel much better! :laugh: :laugh:

                        _________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....

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                        Dalek Dave
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                        Are you a Diana Ross fan then?

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                        • D Dalek Dave

                          Are you a Diana Ross fan then?

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                          El Corazon
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                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                          Are you a Diana Ross fan then?

                          I didn't even know about that album... i had to google. Nope, worse.... Chain Reaction[^]

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                          • L Lost User

                            All we need is plenty of helium III - a trip to the Moon anyone?

                            Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                            Dan Neely
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                            IIRC Helium3 fusion requires significantly more energy than tritium fusion; its advantage is that it produced very few neutrons. (The main chain is neutron free, at least one of the side chains can produce them.) H1 + B11 is the first completely anuetronic reaction; it only requires ~10x the energy of tritium. :sigh:

                            3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                            • J Jim Crafton

                              Is this guy[^] brilliant or just a Darwin candidate in waiting? On the on handing, building a small fusion reactor has a serious cool factor, as well as bonus man points. On the other, doing this in Brooklyn, where a lot of people live, maybe not the best idea.

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                              Euhemerus
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                              If I remember correctly from my physics lessons at school one of the fundamental laws of physics says that energy can neither be created or destroyed only converted from one form to another. Therefore, to get more energy out than was put in requires its efficieny to be greater than 100% as yet, totally unachievable.

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                              • D Dan Neely

                                IIRC Helium3 fusion requires significantly more energy than tritium fusion; its advantage is that it produced very few neutrons. (The main chain is neutron free, at least one of the side chains can produce them.) H1 + B11 is the first completely anuetronic reaction; it only requires ~10x the energy of tritium. :sigh:

                                3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                                Dalek Dave
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                                Don't know why that got a down vote, it seemed ok to me. Did what I could do.

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                                  If I remember correctly from my physics lessons at school one of the fundamental laws of physics says that energy can neither be created or destroyed only converted from one form to another. Therefore, to get more energy out than was put in requires its efficieny to be greater than 100% as yet, totally unachievable.

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                                  Dalek Dave
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                                  This is true, however this process converts matter to energy, and there is a lot of energy in matter. E=mc^2, so even a small amount of matter produces a lot of energy because c^2 is a truly massive number.

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                                  • D Dalek Dave

                                    Don't know why that got a down vote, it seemed ok to me. Did what I could do.

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                                    Dan Neely
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                                    Wierd. I don't think I've ever had a petty uni-voter harass me before; and this twit appears to've been only bronze.

                                    3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                                      Wierd. I don't think I've ever had a petty uni-voter harass me before; and this twit appears to've been only bronze.

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                                      Dalek Dave
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                                      Maybe he just dislikes nuclear physics.

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                                      • D Dalek Dave

                                        This is true, however this process converts matter to energy, and there is a lot of energy in matter. E=mc^2, so even a small amount of matter produces a lot of energy because c^2 is a truly massive number.

                                        ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                                        Euhemerus
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                                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                                        E=mc^2, so even a small amount of matter produces a lot of energy because c^2 is a truly massive number.

                                        Granted. However, it also takes a LOT of energy to convert matter to energy which rather negates the point of converting in the first place!

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                                        • D Dalek Dave

                                          This is true, however this process converts matter to energy, and there is a lot of energy in matter. E=mc^2, so even a small amount of matter produces a lot of energy because c^2 is a truly massive number.

                                          ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                                          AspDotNetDev
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                                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                                          c^2 is a truly massive number

                                          Pft, it was pitted against the Planck constant and lost: Planck vs C. ;P

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