On more failure for MS.
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Much as I'm not an MS fanboy, I thnk a lot of stuff on his list represents iterative steps towards the things that were successful. Sure, MS should sometimes release later and do more internal testing, but ME, for example, was a stopgap forced upon them by late delivery of 2000 ( as I recall ). ActiveX was a perfectly good idea, at the time. Vista sucked, but it represented the first step towards a more secure OS, in that sense, it did it's job and they have worked from there to make W7 better than Vista was.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Castle Rider wrote:
Or did you meant to say 98 (not 98 SE)?
Or rather ME! :sigh:
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((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth Editionleppie wrote:
Or rather ME!
Come on leppie... you are a success in your own way!
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Much as I'm not an MS fanboy, I thnk a lot of stuff on his list represents iterative steps towards the things that were successful. Sure, MS should sometimes release later and do more internal testing, but ME, for example, was a stopgap forced upon them by late delivery of 2000 ( as I recall ). ActiveX was a perfectly good idea, at the time. Vista sucked, but it represented the first step towards a more secure OS, in that sense, it did it's job and they have worked from there to make W7 better than Vista was.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I'm dying for you to explain the timeline of Visual Studio versions, and how iterative steps improve their quality. :)
Best wishes, Hans
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Much as I'm not an MS fanboy, I thnk a lot of stuff on his list represents iterative steps towards the things that were successful. Sure, MS should sometimes release later and do more internal testing, but ME, for example, was a stopgap forced upon them by late delivery of 2000 ( as I recall ). ActiveX was a perfectly good idea, at the time. Vista sucked, but it represented the first step towards a more secure OS, in that sense, it did it's job and they have worked from there to make W7 better than Vista was.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Good point. I would say some of those 'failures' made the right ground in people expectations for the next product. :)
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Castle Rider wrote:
Or did you meant to say 98 (not 98 SE)?
Or rather ME! :sigh:
xacc.ide
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Just 48 days after Microsoft began selling the Kin, a smartphone for the younger set, the company discontinued it because of disappointing sales. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/01/technology/01phone.html[^] MS-DOS 4.0 Internet Explorer 5 Windows 95 Zune Bob ActiveX Clippy Windows Me Windows Vista Vista Capable And now Microsoft Kin got added in the MS failure list. What next?
WWW, WCF, WWF, WPF, WFC .... WTF
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Just 48 days after Microsoft began selling the Kin, a smartphone for the younger set, the company discontinued it because of disappointing sales. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/01/technology/01phone.html[^] MS-DOS 4.0 Internet Explorer 5 Windows 95 Zune Bob ActiveX Clippy Windows Me Windows Vista Vista Capable And now Microsoft Kin got added in the MS failure list. What next?
WWW, WCF, WWF, WPF, WFC .... WTF
ıʇoʞɐlɐʞ ɥsɐʞɐɹd wrote:
What next?
Perhaps Windows Azure Office Live
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I'm dying for you to explain the timeline of Visual Studio versions, and how iterative steps improve their quality. :)
Best wishes, Hans
Visual Studio is a whole different thing. I think one big issue with it is that MS is trying to work out how committed they need to stay to C++, and at what point they can hope to have killed it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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We're not going to have this "Microsoft is doomed. Doommed!" stuff again are we? Have you seen their recent numbers? I wish I was as doomed as they are.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Just 48 days after Microsoft began selling the Kin, a smartphone for the younger set, the company discontinued it because of disappointing sales. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/01/technology/01phone.html[^] MS-DOS 4.0 Internet Explorer 5 Windows 95 Zune Bob ActiveX Clippy Windows Me Windows Vista Vista Capable And now Microsoft Kin got added in the MS failure list. What next?
WWW, WCF, WWF, WPF, WFC .... WTF
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Just 48 days after Microsoft began selling the Kin, a smartphone for the younger set, the company discontinued it because of disappointing sales. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/01/technology/01phone.html[^] MS-DOS 4.0 Internet Explorer 5 Windows 95 Zune Bob ActiveX Clippy Windows Me Windows Vista Vista Capable And now Microsoft Kin got added in the MS failure list. What next?
WWW, WCF, WWF, WPF, WFC .... WTF
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ıʇoʞɐlɐʞ ɥsɐʞɐɹd wrote:
Windows 95 wasn't as successful as it was supposed to.
Despite the people who queued up at midnight to buy it ?
ıʇoʞɐlɐʞ ɥsɐʞɐɹd wrote:
Hardware USB, AGP and Intel's P6 had a very little or no support in early versions of Windows 95, and all these got resolved in Windows 98.
From Wikipedia: Intel introduced AGP support with the i440LX Slot 1 chipset on the 26th of August 1997 and a flood of products followed from all the major system board vendors also The USB 1.0 specification was introduced in January 1996 Windows 95 was released in August, 1995. So, Windows 95 didn't support something that DIDN'T EXIST on release, but support was added with the next OS ? Wow.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
So, Windows 95 didn't support something that DIDN'T EXIST on release...
That's no fucking excuse!
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Oh, please. Given how many things MS releases, it's hardly surprising that some of them flop. I'll can Vista as much as the next person, but how was Windows 95 a failure ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I never used it; it is rubbish.
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Castle Rider wrote:
Or did you meant to say 98 (not 98 SE)?
Or rather ME! :sigh:
xacc.ide
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((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth EditionMy father used a Mac for years, when he tried Wintel, it was ME... that lasted about a week. He went right back to a Mac -- Microsoft really screwed up there.
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Take windows 95 off your list and substitute windows 3.11 and I'll agree with most of what you said, though I don't think Vista was a flop anywhere near the level of Windows ME which was disastrous by comparison.
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I'd still be using 3.11 if I could run Photoshop on it -- and .net.
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Just 48 days after Microsoft began selling the Kin, a smartphone for the younger set, the company discontinued it because of disappointing sales. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/01/technology/01phone.html[^] MS-DOS 4.0 Internet Explorer 5 Windows 95 Zune Bob ActiveX Clippy Windows Me Windows Vista Vista Capable And now Microsoft Kin got added in the MS failure list. What next?
WWW, WCF, WWF, WPF, WFC .... WTF
ıʇoʞɐlɐʞ ɥsɐʞɐɹd wrote:
What next?
Iphone 4 and the ipad? No, wait...
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We're not going to have this "Microsoft is doomed. Doommed!" stuff again are we? Have you seen their recent numbers? I wish I was as doomed as they are.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
yes but the mindshare battle is where they are losing don't forget that once ibm were never going to fail ... how ridiculous a thought that was! it *can* happen if they don't stop f***ing around and start delivering things that get people excited again ... windows 7 being a very good start i hasten to add
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Windows 95 wasn't as successful as it was supposed to. Hardware USB, AGP and Intel's P6 had a very little or no support in early versions of Windows 95, and all these got resolved in Windows 98.
WWW, WCF, WWF, WPF, WFC .... WTF
ıʇoʞɐlɐʞ ɥsɐʞɐɹd wrote:
Windows 95 wasn't as successful as it was supposed to be.
How do you figure? That was the first and last time Windows users migrated EN MASSE to a new version of Windows. It was THE landmark revision of Windows, and brought (IMHO) a whole new era of ease-of-use to the Windows platform. No other version garnered so much interest so fast. I was one of the people that stood in line at Egghead Software until midnight to get a copy of it the day it went on sale. I would call it a definite win for Microsoft.
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Just 48 days after Microsoft began selling the Kin, a smartphone for the younger set, the company discontinued it because of disappointing sales. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/01/technology/01phone.html[^] MS-DOS 4.0 Internet Explorer 5 Windows 95 Zune Bob ActiveX Clippy Windows Me Windows Vista Vista Capable And now Microsoft Kin got added in the MS failure list. What next?
WWW, WCF, WWF, WPF, WFC .... WTF
I disagree with the inclusion of Zune on your list. The Zune HD is a great device, the Zune software is better than iTunes on Windows (not saying much I know, but still), the Zune Pass is a *great* way to listen to and acquire music, and Zune is making its way onto XBox. It's also the inspiration for the Windows Phone 7 UI and is the media player for that OS. There's a lot of potential there and I think history will show Zune to be a success. I'm not particularly surprised to see Kin killed off since WP7 phones are just around the corner. I was surprised that they released it at all.
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I'd still be using 3.11 if I could run Photoshop on it -- and .net.
