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  • M moon_stick

    It's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over!

    Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

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    Johnny J
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    Wasn't me even though I don't agree with you. But since you are so dead set I'm wrong, I challenge you: Show me ONE piece of code where a GoTo has a meaningful use!

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    • R realJSOP

      Wow - looks like someone didn't agree with you, and didn't say why.

      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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      "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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      Peter Mulholland
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      :laugh:

      Pete

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      • R realJSOP

        No serious programmer uses a goto. EDIT (After the 1 vote)---------------- Okay - maybe we all do - when we goto the bathroom...

        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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        "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

        modified on Monday, July 5, 2010 10:22 AM

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        Strange - when I post a comment along those lines, I get downvoted, but when you do it gets upvoted. Makes me think that some people here go more for the person than the message! Isn't the first time I have noticed that, though...

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        • J Johnny J

          Wasn't me even though I don't agree with you. But since you are so dead set I'm wrong, I challenge you: Show me ONE piece of code where a GoTo has a meaningful use!

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          Tom Deketelaere
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          Now your just setting him up to post code in the lounge and getting him flamed for doing so. I'm on to you ;P

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          • R realJSOP

            No serious programmer uses a goto. EDIT (After the 1 vote)---------------- Okay - maybe we all do - when we goto the bathroom...

            .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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            "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

            modified on Monday, July 5, 2010 10:22 AM

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            Pete OHanlon
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            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

            No serious programmer uses a goto.

            The whimsical ones do though :-D

            "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

            As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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            • J Johnny J

              Strange - when I post a comment along those lines, I get downvoted, but when you do it gets upvoted. Makes me think that some people here go more for the person than the message! Isn't the first time I have noticed that, though...

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              Pete OHanlon
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              You earn your upvote rights by scaring people. ;)

              "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

              As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

              My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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              • J Johnny J

                Wasn't me even though I don't agree with you. But since you are so dead set I'm wrong, I challenge you: Show me ONE piece of code where a GoTo has a meaningful use!

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                Pete OHanlon
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                10 Print "This Code is useless."
                20 Goto 10

                "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

                My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                • J Johnny J

                  Strange - when I post a comment along those lines, I get downvoted, but when you do it gets upvoted. Makes me think that some people here go more for the person than the message! Isn't the first time I have noticed that, though...

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                  Tom Deketelaere
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                  Well if you must know I up voted him for the remark about the 1 vote and the goto the bathroom part. Could be that my sense of humor is a bit off today but I thought it was funny so...

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                    10 Print "This Code is useless."
                    20 Goto 10

                    "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                    As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                    Johnny J
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                    Very meaningful! I guess you got me there... ;P

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                    • J Johnny J

                      Strange - when I post a comment along those lines, I get downvoted, but when you do it gets upvoted. Makes me think that some people here go more for the person than the message! Isn't the first time I have noticed that, though...

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                      Rage
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                      Well, he has a .45 in reach. Makes everybody agree with you.

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                      • J Johnny J

                        Strange - when I post a comment along those lines, I get downvoted, but when you do it gets upvoted. Makes me think that some people here go more for the person than the message! Isn't the first time I have noticed that, though...

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                        realJSOP
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                        I got 1-voted, and probably from the same person that 1-voted you. I edited it because I thought that's why I was 1-voted - I had neglected to mention the one valid goto everyone uses. Of course, the 1-voters can also goto hell for all I care.

                        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                        "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                        • R realJSOP

                          I got 1-voted, and probably from the same person that 1-voted you. I edited it because I thought that's why I was 1-voted - I had neglected to mention the one valid goto everyone uses. Of course, the 1-voters can also goto hell for all I care.

                          .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                          "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                          Johnny J
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                          5 for that...

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                          • R realJSOP

                            I got 1-voted, and probably from the same person that 1-voted you. I edited it because I thought that's why I was 1-voted - I had neglected to mention the one valid goto everyone uses. Of course, the 1-voters can also goto hell for all I care.

                            .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                            -----
                            "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                            Rage
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                            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                            goto hell

                            Hell ?[^]

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                            • J Johnny J

                              Wasn't me even though I don't agree with you. But since you are so dead set I'm wrong, I challenge you: Show me ONE piece of code where a GoTo has a meaningful use!

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                              moon_stick
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                              I think the nested 'for' loop example is meaningful enough: for (int i = 0; i < I_BOUND; i++) { for (int j = 0; j < J_BOUND; j++) { if (MyTestingFunction(i, j, k)) { goto LoopExit; } } } LoopExit: Steve McConnell gives a few other examples here[^]. To be clear, I'm not saying there aren't other ways of doing this (as there clearly are), and I don't believe there are any situations where using a goto provides funtionality above and beyond other native constructs (though am willing to be proved wrong!). I just don't agree that you can categorically state that use of goto is *always* wrong.

                              Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

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                              • M moon_stick

                                I think the nested 'for' loop example is meaningful enough: for (int i = 0; i < I_BOUND; i++) { for (int j = 0; j < J_BOUND; j++) { if (MyTestingFunction(i, j, k)) { goto LoopExit; } } } LoopExit: Steve McConnell gives a few other examples here[^]. To be clear, I'm not saying there aren't other ways of doing this (as there clearly are), and I don't believe there are any situations where using a goto provides funtionality above and beyond other native constructs (though am willing to be proved wrong!). I just don't agree that you can categorically state that use of goto is *always* wrong.

                                Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

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                                Johnny J
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                                It's probably easier, but I still don't think it's a good use in this case. Sort of like exiting a room through the window. I'm not an expert on this, but can you be sure that jumping out of a nested loop like that doesn't leave something not cleaned up properly, stack e.g.?

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                                • J Johnny J

                                  It's probably easier, but I still don't think it's a good use in this case. Sort of like exiting a room through the window. I'm not an expert on this, but can you be sure that jumping out of a nested loop like that doesn't leave something not cleaned up properly, stack e.g.?

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                                  moon_stick
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                                  It depends on the context - if MyTestingFunction() is expensive to run then an intelligent way to exit the loop early is a pretty good reason, especially if the bounds of the data structure being traversed are very large. The variables in the loops are scoped by the braces so by the time the exit label is hit, the variables are out of scope and the GC can do its thing. Assuming that MyTestingFunction() is stateless and isn't dealing with unmanaged resources, I don't believe there's a memory leak issue here.

                                  Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

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                                  • L LucianPopescu

                                    Do you use goto in C# ? Where do you find it usefull or not usefull ? i had never used goto in C# but now when i just saw that a collegue uses this very often, I start wondering.. :-? tell me...

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                                    Smithers Jones
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                                    Never ever use goto!! You have been warned.[^] :)

                                    "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)

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                                    • L LucianPopescu

                                      Do you use goto in C# ? Where do you find it usefull or not usefull ? i had never used goto in C# but now when i just saw that a collegue uses this very often, I start wondering.. :-? tell me...

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                                      I have used goto in C# when breaking out of nested loops, and rarely in switch blocks to avoid copying one case to the end of some other case (copypasta is worse than goto IMO). And I will hear no "nested loops should be refactored anyway" - it was performance code and performance code is not meant to look nice. In assembly I use the equivalent of goto all the time. There is no alternative.

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                                        Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                        It isn't a programming question. He's just asking for opinions about usage of a statement (warning: related to programming). Ya know? Other than important things like football, bullshit politics, stiupid dradunk bdahbble, cricket, etc., people should be let free to discuss something related to programming now and then.

                                        It's time for a new sig. Seriously.

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                                        • R Rage

                                          pompeyboy3 wrote:

                                          to greater effect than other soloutions although I must confess I can see better ways to code some of the examples

                                          to greater effect than the other solutions he provided, but not greater than real good solutions. As you started to point out, you can write his example in perfectly good code without requiring to the goto instruction. IMHO, this blog entry is rather poor.

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                                          Steve Wellens
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                                          There are always other solutions. The blog was pointing out the in rare circumstances goto is the best solution....if you define best as also the simplest solution. And yes, goto can be abused just like any other element in any language. I've seen multiple inheritance abused far more than goto's.

                                          Steve Wellens

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