Dalek Dave, what has your boy done?
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I don't know enough about Churchill to dispute the first part, though that is the first time I've heard of it. It seems a little unfair, though, to refer to his strengths as a war leader in that context. We needed a strong and military-minded leader at the time in order to defeat another one. We entered the war under a good peacetime leader and if he'd stayed we'd have lost the war very quickly.
I don't think it is unfair, nor negative, to refer to his strengths as a war leader in that context. If one can bring oneself to ignore Hitler's genocidal intent and racism, he was a good war leader, as was Churchill.
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digital man wrote:
that sniveling coward Brown
In what context is that valid? Don't misunderstand, I do not like him either, but surely that is rather extreme.
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Henry Minute wrote:
In what context is that valid?
Take your pick: that's how I see him and always have. I say it as I see it and I fail to see where the truth is extreme: he proved this description of himself when he bottled out of calling an election and went downhill from there: the worst prime minister we've ever had (a post he was clearly not fit for and I blame Blair for giving in to him), bar none so, yes, he is a sniveling, spineless, duplicitous politician that I'm glad to see the back of.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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As has our "boy", Zuma. Initially he made several blunders, but has subsequently proved himself a really good leader. (IMHO).
Does he still think showering stops HIV?
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Henry Minute wrote:
In what context is that valid?
Take your pick: that's how I see him and always have. I say it as I see it and I fail to see where the truth is extreme: he proved this description of himself when he bottled out of calling an election and went downhill from there: the worst prime minister we've ever had (a post he was clearly not fit for and I blame Blair for giving in to him), bar none so, yes, he is a sniveling, spineless, duplicitous politician that I'm glad to see the back of.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Wow, even for a politician that's quite bad. Besides Mussolini, I don't think anyone has, besides Brown, ever deserved that description.
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Does he still think showering stops HIV?
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Who cares if he does think that, as long as he doesn't force it on SA's HIV patients? He has activley supported proper anti-HIV programs much more than Mbeki ever did.
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Henry Minute wrote:
In what context is that valid?
Take your pick: that's how I see him and always have. I say it as I see it and I fail to see where the truth is extreme: he proved this description of himself when he bottled out of calling an election and went downhill from there: the worst prime minister we've ever had (a post he was clearly not fit for and I blame Blair for giving in to him), bar none so, yes, he is a sniveling, spineless, duplicitous politician that I'm glad to see the back of.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
And when Cameron, or some other non-labour PM, delays calling an election in hopes of increasing their chances, will they also deserve the same epithets?
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Yes, but you entered that war under a man that shared some of Hitler's views and strengths. That will not happen again very quickly.
I can compare any human being on the planet to any other. For example, "Hey, look, they both have two arms. They must be alike!" Comparing Churchill to Hitler, which can have no motivation other than attempting to diminish the former, is insulting - both to his memory and to the greatness of England and her people, who demonstrated epic resilience where many other nations would have faltered.
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I can compare any human being on the planet to any other. For example, "Hey, look, they both have two arms. They must be alike!" Comparing Churchill to Hitler, which can have no motivation other than attempting to diminish the former, is insulting - both to his memory and to the greatness of England and her people, who demonstrated epic resilience where many other nations would have faltered.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesDid you know Churchill was the only commoner given a state funeral?
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And when Cameron, or some other non-labour PM, delays calling an election in hopes of increasing their chances, will they also deserve the same epithets?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas? - Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. Business Myths of the Geek #4 'What you think matters.'
He didn't delay - he canceled and waited three years in the vain hope that he could turn things around enough to win - a hopeless ambition in his case.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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He didn't delay - he canceled and waited three years in the vain hope that he could turn things around enough to win - a hopeless ambition in his case.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
There are those who are discovered and those who are found out!
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Who cares if he does think that, as long as he doesn't force it on SA's HIV patients? He has activley supported proper anti-HIV programs much more than Mbeki ever did.
Brady Kelly wrote:
Who cares if he does think that, as long as he doesn't force it on SA's HIV patients?
That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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I can compare any human being on the planet to any other. For example, "Hey, look, they both have two arms. They must be alike!" Comparing Churchill to Hitler, which can have no motivation other than attempting to diminish the former, is insulting - both to his memory and to the greatness of England and her people, who demonstrated epic resilience where many other nations would have faltered.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesI was objectively comparing an aspect of Hitler to an aspect of Churchill, not their whole beings.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10719739[^] "David Cameron has been criticised after mistakenly saying the UK was the "junior partner" in the allied World War II fight against Germany in 1940." Whoops.
??? Who was the "main partner" in 1940? Germany?
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Did you know Churchill was the only commoner given a state funeral?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Where I come from all things 'state' are reserved for 'commoners', e.g. hospitals etc. The elite are exempt from anything 'state'.
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Ravi Santlani wrote:
the boy is new. he will learn in some time.
The boy is the British Prime Minister. He should already know. ****ing puppet politicians. North Korea's got it right -- shoot a few, every now and then.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
Who cares if he does think that, as long as he doesn't force it on SA's HIV patients?
That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
digital man wrote:
That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
How so? His HIV policy is unprecedentedly pro-active, compared to e.g. Pres Mbeki.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10719739[^] "David Cameron has been criticised after mistakenly saying the UK was the "junior partner" in the allied World War II fight against Germany in 1940." Whoops.
It was, and so was USA - it was the redz wot won it (China and Russia)...
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digital man wrote:
that sniveling coward Brown
In what context is that valid? Don't misunderstand, I do not like him either, but surely that is rather extreme.
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Henry Minute wrote:
digital man wrote:that sniveling coward Brown In what context is that valid?
Certainly not in the context of a middle-aged, unfit man who got up, fists flying, against a bunch of yobs who were rude to his wife. Snivelling little farts like cameron would run away and cry for mummy. Would I rather my country were run by a man who stands up for decency -- with his fists, if necessary -- or a man who stands up only to wheedle to the City and the US? Not such a tough choice.
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It was, and so was USA - it was the redz wot won it (China and Russia)...
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:
it was the redz wot won it (China and Russia)...
China? China was completely devastated, and their armies were next to useless. Russia was first to Berlin, and would have invaded Japan within a few months, if the bomb hadn't been dropped (which was large part of the reason for dropping it).
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I can compare any human being on the planet to any other. For example, "Hey, look, they both have two arms. They must be alike!" Comparing Churchill to Hitler, which can have no motivation other than attempting to diminish the former, is insulting - both to his memory and to the greatness of England and her people, who demonstrated epic resilience where many other nations would have faltered.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesChurchill stood for the freedom of Britain, and perhaps Europe as well. His ideas about freedom and self-rule did not extend to the British colonies in Asia, Africa, and America then, aka non-whites.
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