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Christian Graus wrote: I see Bill Gates is giving 20 million dollars to IT education in India. Is that like, 3 cents a person ? It's small change compared to how much they can save by moving development work there, from what I understand of wages there. 20 million dollars are a lot of money in 3rd world countries. You can buy BIG companies here with this money, there are cell phone companies you could buy here for this price. lazy isn't my middle name.. its my first.. people just keep calling me Mel cause that's what they put on my drivers license. - Mel Feik
Daniel Turini wrote: 20 million dollars are a lot of money in 3rd world countries. It's not small change here, either. But to Microsoft it is, and I just wonder how much they can do with it, if they want to aid learning. Or is it 20 million shelf price of software they give for free to people who they want to turn into a market ? In other words, about $5,000 worth of CD printing. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Apparently, there's quite an effort going on their now by MS to minimize the use/deployment of various Free Software systems. The realization that a lot of development is and will be done by programmers in or from India is causing some concern that they may be less familiar with MS tech than with other, more available systems... Shog9 ------
Rather hammer futiley at the locked door than just sit and ignore it. Obviously finding a way to get through the locked door would be even better though. - Paul Watson, My Ignorance
Shog9 wrote: they may be less familiar with MS tech than with other, more available systems... Microsoft Technology is available free to every one who wants it in India. Piracy is what keeps Microsoft going there. If they cracked down on students and even home users, there would be no one using Microsoft products there. So, to an Indian student, Microsoft is also free, although not open source :-) Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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Daniel Turini wrote: 20 million dollars are a lot of money in 3rd world countries. It's not small change here, either. But to Microsoft it is, and I just wonder how much they can do with it, if they want to aid learning. Or is it 20 million shelf price of software they give for free to people who they want to turn into a market ? In other words, about $5,000 worth of CD printing. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
If they are going to give it as software licences, then it is worth nothing to India. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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Daniel Turini wrote: 20 million dollars are a lot of money in 3rd world countries. It's not small change here, either. But to Microsoft it is, and I just wonder how much they can do with it, if they want to aid learning. Or is it 20 million shelf price of software they give for free to people who they want to turn into a market ? In other words, about $5,000 worth of CD printing. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: It's not small change here, either. But to Microsoft it is, and I just wonder how much they can do with it, if they want to aid learning. If they spend $2000 with each developer (a $500 machine plus $750 in software that would be pirated anyway plus $750 in books and courses), they will have 10,000 developers. All of them crazy to work for MS almost for free. It's a great deal for MS. lazy isn't my middle name.. its my first.. people just keep calling me Mel cause that's what they put on my drivers license. - Mel Feik
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Christian Graus wrote: It's not small change here, either. But to Microsoft it is, and I just wonder how much they can do with it, if they want to aid learning. If they spend $2000 with each developer (a $500 machine plus $750 in software that would be pirated anyway plus $750 in books and courses), they will have 10,000 developers. All of them crazy to work for MS almost for free. It's a great deal for MS. lazy isn't my middle name.. its my first.. people just keep calling me Mel cause that's what they put on my drivers license. - Mel Feik
Especially as it would cost them more like $400 per head ( assuming they get a bulk deal on the PC's, and give away their own books and software ). Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Especially as it would cost them more like $400 per head ( assuming they get a bulk deal on the PC's, and give away their own books and software ). Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
about 400 to 500 dollars per month would be a good salary in India. Most major software companies in India seems to be paying that much. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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about 400 to 500 dollars per month would be a good salary in India. Most major software companies in India seems to be paying that much. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
That's what I mean. I wouldn't get out of bed for that much money. The cost of living must be less over there, which means we cannot compete. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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That's what I mean. I wouldn't get out of bed for that much money. The cost of living must be less over there, which means we cannot compete. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
The cost of living is less because people consume less. Most people do not have cars and use public transport. Food and accomodation is extremely cheap compared to western price levels; because most people cannot afford them unless they are offered at that price. 500 dollars is very good amount in India because rent for a 3 bedroom house in a great location could be 100 dollars. But, as income rises, the prices also rise. I think that as more and more foreign companies and investment come in, India will becoame as expensive as US or any country in Europe. That is what I expect globalization to do. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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I see Bill Gates is giving 20 million dollars to IT education in India. Is that like, 3 cents a person ? It's small change compared to how much they can save by moving development work there, from what I understand of wages there. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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I see Bill Gates is giving 20 million dollars to IT education in India. Is that like, 3 cents a person ? It's small change compared to how much they can save by moving development work there, from what I understand of wages there. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
The article I read had the figure at $400 million. 200 million to an education centre based in Hyderabad, and the rest to something else (I forgot what). Cheers The universe is driven by the complex interaction between three ingredients: matter, energy, and enlightened self-interest.
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The cost of living is less because people consume less. Most people do not have cars and use public transport. Food and accomodation is extremely cheap compared to western price levels; because most people cannot afford them unless they are offered at that price. 500 dollars is very good amount in India because rent for a 3 bedroom house in a great location could be 100 dollars. But, as income rises, the prices also rise. I think that as more and more foreign companies and investment come in, India will becoame as expensive as US or any country in Europe. That is what I expect globalization to do. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
Thomas George wrote: But, as income rises, the prices also rise. I think that as more and more foreign companies and investment come in, India will becoame as expensive as US or any country in Europe. That is what I expect globalization to do. And you would be correct. Like any other developing economy, until labor becomes organized, and the population feels they have a right to demand better healthcare, environmental rules, streets, policing, education, etc,. etc., labor is available at a discount, but as the standard of living increases, so do the costs, the taxes, and the wages paid all in lock-step. David
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It sure is. If I had that sort of money I'd buy Vanuatu and move there. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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It sure is. If I had that sort of money I'd buy Vanuatu and move there. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
I'm sure you can get more than Vanuatua for that price including the relocation costs. Is it for sale ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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I'm sure you can get more than Vanuatua for that price including the relocation costs. Is it for sale ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: Is it for sale ? Everything is for sale. I reckon you could take over Vanuatu for a lot less, but then the UN would get upset.... Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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I see Bill Gates is giving 20 million dollars to IT education in India. Is that like, 3 cents a person ? It's small change compared to how much they can save by moving development work there, from what I understand of wages there. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Well why don't you then offer to donate 4 cents a person? In my country we have a nice saying that translates close to: "Put up or shut up..." ;-) Tomaz Tomaz Stih, B.Sc.SE
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If they are going to give it as software licences, then it is worth nothing to India. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
Waiting in vain for some Indian to oppose this view and be extremely upset with it. :-( Tomaz Tomaz Stih, B.Sc.SE
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I see Bill Gates is giving 20 million dollars to IT education in India. Is that like, 3 cents a person ? It's small change compared to how much they can save by moving development work there, from what I understand of wages there. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Well why don't you then offer to donate 4 cents a person? In my country we have a nice saying that translates close to: "Put up or shut up..." ;-) Tomaz Tomaz Stih, B.Sc.SE
We have a saying too. Something about smelling what you're shovelling... My point is that when companies blow their own trumpets about stuff like this, it's often donations of product ( which in this case means each $200 is more like 2 cents ), and it's for their own benefit. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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I heard that it was more like $400M. Cheers, Simon "From now on, if rogue states want to buy weapons of mass destruction, they're going to have to go on eBay," Mr. Bezos said.
Yes, I quoted the 20M from several news feeds on CP, only to be told it was $400M, above. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Colin Davies wrote: Is it for sale ? Everything is for sale. I reckon you could take over Vanuatu for a lot less, but then the UN would get upset.... Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002