Tools Of The Past
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In April I was in Singapore, I get to Cairns and Sydney a couple of times a year to see the family otherwise it is work in SG.
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Ah yes I remember them well...especially the French Curve. :)
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Roger Wright wrote:
it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program
In my experience (maybe not as advanced as yours) this is a 'mostly, but not always'. I do agree that most diagramming software is not as fast to use as a template with pen and paper, but here's some exceptions. XMind - faster for knocking up mind maps (pardon that stupid term) than by hand. Google SketchUp - for just straight out drafting (or draughting) - It took me about 2 hours to figure out SketchUp's quirks and then another 4 or so hours to really get used to it. After that I found I simply couldn't draw anything as fast by hand as I could with SketchUp. Every now and then I go back to a 'proper' CAD package like AutoCAD or a design package like Visio and just find it really frustrating to just get a drawing done.
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Sadly, I'm forced to use AutoCAD at work, mainly because I have to distribute my designs to various government agencies. It's an absolute horror to learn, though I've been getting much better over the years. There are definite advantages to using CAD - precision, colored layers, permanence of documents, and of course, ability to distribute widely. But when the boss tells me he wants a complete design of a substation next Tuesday I really miss my pencil. :sigh:
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They're not as good at undo and cut-and-paste though.
I've got an electric eraser, scissors, and a jar of paste that work nicely. ;P But I have a bad habit of running with scissors, so it's probably safer for everyone if I stick to AutoCAD.
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I sheepishly admit that I owned, at one point or another, each of those; expect that last one, mainly becaused I worked on computers and not WWII aircraft. I mean, sheese, I'm not THAT old. Oh. Sorry Roger. *snicker*
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Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTLAll of my WWII aircraft were built from balsa wood and tissue paper, so I'm not too offended. :-D I admit to owning all of those templates at one time or another, excepting the last one. For those images I prefer photographs, anyway; a sketch doesn't bring out the subtleties of form and function like a warm, color photo.
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
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But its the ability to transfer the data from the CAD program to a CNC tool to create the design that makes them so attractive.
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Yeah, I'm just waiting for one of those new 3D printers that's big enough to print me a substation... Maybe next year? :rolleyes:
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
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I wonder if that is Oz slang or it has the same implications in other english speaking countries.
If you would be happy about me calling you a tool, then no, it doesn't... ;-) Tool and Richard would be interchangeable...
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
And there was me thinking you were talking about VC++6 and VB6...silly me :-)
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy
I don't know about that last one. It always seems to cost several thousand $$$. ;) Marc
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
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I've got an electric eraser, scissors, and a jar of paste that work nicely. ;P But I have a bad habit of running with scissors, so it's probably safer for everyone if I stick to AutoCAD.
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
But I have a bad habit of running with scissors, so it's probably safer for everyone if I stick to AutoCAD.
Given the per-seat price of AutoCAD ($565 at newegg), somehow I find that the more frightening choice.
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I still own one of the IBM templates. And the mathematic one. And one of the steel erasing guides. And a triangle. And a protractor. And the first two French curves (but not the last one, alas).
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger, I'm taking a random shot in the dark asking you this but since you have been around for a while and clearly are familiar with diagraming I figure you'd possibly have a suggestion if not the answer. Do you know if there is a chart type (possibly something in VISIO) that one can use to diagram the flow of STORE PROCEDURE calls in the SQL language? Every chart type I’ve seen is either modeling the data relationship in teh tables or the data flow but for traditional programming languages and not SQL (specifically T-SQL since this would be for SQL Server) and so none of the provided types like variable types (i.e. STRING for VB verses VARCHAR/CHAR in SQL) are right and I'm not familiar enough with customizing VISIO to create a chart type myself. Any info or suggestions would b greatly appreciated. Thanks
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
Man, you're responsible for reviving a long forgotten memory. I remember almost every one of those templates. Well, I never knew what they were for, because when I used them I was a kid (ok, some of them I ended up using at school). My father owned so many of them and they have the same colors and wow... Real nice...
