Just got WM7 phone [modified]
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Predrag Tomasevic wrote:
Dunlap has kinda already answered what you are saying
Sorry, I haven't noticed that.
Predrag Tomasevic wrote:
Microsoft declared that they won't give manufacturers an option to customize UI (which is, if you ask me - really bad decisions - no point in copying Apple in everything).
Even Android is going to do the same in the Next version (rumors says that).
Predrag Tomasevic wrote:
I haven't bought phone, I got it from Microsoft; haven't had much choice
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Heh... I'm not buying the rumor that Google will force manufacturers into not customizing Android UI. For Apple it made sense 'cause they are only hardware manufacturers, but for Microsoft & Google, who work with tons of companies... there is no point of having 100 phone models, all with same UI.
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Heh... I'm not buying the rumor that Google will force manufacturers into not customizing Android UI. For Apple it made sense 'cause they are only hardware manufacturers, but for Microsoft & Google, who work with tons of companies... there is no point of having 100 phone models, all with same UI.
Predrag Tomasevic wrote:
I'm not buying the rumor that Google will force manufacturers into not customizing Android UI
Do you heard about that Gingerbread version is targeting with UI Customization and Video calling? I read it on some Android forums. Anyways this is off topic. Play with the WP7 and give your final feedback. May be as another article. I am glad that I talked to you. :)
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Windows Phone 7 debuts on the Telstra Next G™ network[^] Like I said what network it can access is down to the phone hardware more than anything so maybe it really comes down to WP7 phones on Verizon are stuck on GSM.
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs
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Yeah, the featureset pretty much made up my mind that I would not be getting a WP7 phone, at least till it has progressed quite a bit.
- No tethering (I am making this post via a tethered conn with my Touch Pro 2 - gives me internet wherever I go)
- No copy and paste (how are you supposed to get any serious work done without it?)
- No true multitasking (which means for example you can't do anything else while using VOIP or listening to internet radio without the call or music stopping)
- No 3rd-party TCP connections (which means no 3rd-party VOIP at all, no custom streaming/dedicated conns, etc)
- No interchangeable removable storage (Yes, you can get the storage upgraded but you lose data)
- Very little UI customization (Don't like the plain UI? Tough luck)
- Can't change the default browser, search, etc
- No IPC, Bluetooth, gyroscope/accelerometer, or video capture support, etc available to 3rd parties - only to Microsoft's chosen few
I know some of these are planned for the future, but there are many we have no indication of any plans for.
modified on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:55 PM
No socket access is the biggest pain for me but on the bright side at least it will be a software update to enable access unlike WM6.x. For accelerometer access add a reference to
Microsoft.Devices.Sensorsthis will then give access to theAccelerometerclass.People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs
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Dunno how many of you guys read my article on different phone platforms ( Windows Mobile, iPhone, Android - Marketplace Comparison ) but as I made some predictions in it I was anxious to finally get my hands on WM 7 device. That finally happened today when LG GW910 arrived to my mailbox. First impression after playing with it for half an hour is - meh. Really, nothing special - nothing that will really excite you. To compare it to the old generation - I was way more excited when I got my first WM6 device... exploring HTC TouchFlow and spending almost whole day playing Teeter ;). What adds to the plain taste is UI, which to me feels more like a prototype than something destined for production. I understand striving for removing clutter (and I'm all for that), but to have rectangle + text for a button? Seriously guys? What is this, 1984? So far, the biggest thing I liked about the device is that it's way more responsive than previous generations. Transitions between menus are smooth, scrolling is kinda smooth, great job on that. To sum it up - I really don't think that Microsoft is going anywhere with Windows Mobile 7. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that WM7 is _bad_. What I am saying is that it doesn't bring up anything new to the table that will allow it to rival Android/iPhone. Simple question to Microsoft: WHY should any hardware manufacturer license WM7 ($40 per phone I believe) instead of Android ($0 per phone)? And, please note that at this point of time Android is far more advanced OS than WM7 (hell, at this point I would even say that WM6 has brighter future and more to offer than WM7 - Skype, copy/paste, 3G... yeah, you read it right, they are launching WM7 without copy/paste and 3G support). Would love to hear your thoughts on WM7 fellow CPians ;). EDIT 1: I am glad to see that so many of you guys have positive expectations for WM7. And I wouldn't mind to be wrong on this one as it means that I could trade Eclipse back for Visual Studio ;) But I just don't see it happening as (again) - there is nothing that will "incentify" manufacturers to produce WM7 phones (licensing costs) and customers to buy them (go with our phone, and trust us - we'll later add support for feature you need and already have on o
There's only so much fun you can have with a phone, before it becomes "normal" and mundane. Any excitement I ever felt over them dried up with the third or fourth one. Now, it's just one more thing I've got to remember to put in my pocket. I doubt that any OS could inspire me to feel any excitement over a phone again.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Office looks OK - experience is kinda same as on WM6... the only new thingy I've saw is that you can open documents directly from SharePoint 2010 instance. As for XBOX Games - I can't manage to setup my account to access XBOX live. There aren't any games that come with the phone by default ;(
Predrag Tomasevic wrote:
There aren't any games that come with the phone by default ;(
Kind of stupid IMO, they should have a couple of simple non-demo/non-beta/non-stripped down games for people to try.
Watched code never compiles.
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Yeah... the funny thing is - it seems they are trying to copy iPhone even on bad things ;) - remember how iPhone didn't have 3G and copy/paste when initially released?
Predrag Tomasevic wrote:
Yeah... the funny thing is - it seems they are trying to copy iPhone even on bad things - remember how iPhone didn't have 3G and copy/paste when initially released?
The copy/paste may not be a big deal but the lack of 3G would certainly be a show stopper. Why would anyone downgrade from a 3G phone to one that doesn't have that? :~
Regards, Nish
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Dunno how many of you guys read my article on different phone platforms ( Windows Mobile, iPhone, Android - Marketplace Comparison ) but as I made some predictions in it I was anxious to finally get my hands on WM 7 device. That finally happened today when LG GW910 arrived to my mailbox. First impression after playing with it for half an hour is - meh. Really, nothing special - nothing that will really excite you. To compare it to the old generation - I was way more excited when I got my first WM6 device... exploring HTC TouchFlow and spending almost whole day playing Teeter ;). What adds to the plain taste is UI, which to me feels more like a prototype than something destined for production. I understand striving for removing clutter (and I'm all for that), but to have rectangle + text for a button? Seriously guys? What is this, 1984? So far, the biggest thing I liked about the device is that it's way more responsive than previous generations. Transitions between menus are smooth, scrolling is kinda smooth, great job on that. To sum it up - I really don't think that Microsoft is going anywhere with Windows Mobile 7. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that WM7 is _bad_. What I am saying is that it doesn't bring up anything new to the table that will allow it to rival Android/iPhone. Simple question to Microsoft: WHY should any hardware manufacturer license WM7 ($40 per phone I believe) instead of Android ($0 per phone)? And, please note that at this point of time Android is far more advanced OS than WM7 (hell, at this point I would even say that WM6 has brighter future and more to offer than WM7 - Skype, copy/paste, 3G... yeah, you read it right, they are launching WM7 without copy/paste and 3G support). Would love to hear your thoughts on WM7 fellow CPians ;). EDIT 1: I am glad to see that so many of you guys have positive expectations for WM7. And I wouldn't mind to be wrong on this one as it means that I could trade Eclipse back for Visual Studio ;) But I just don't see it happening as (again) - there is nothing that will "incentify" manufacturers to produce WM7 phones (licensing costs) and customers to buy them (go with our phone, and trust us - we'll later add support for feature you need and already have on o
I know we're all sitting here on CP, and we're developers, Developers, DEVELOPERS! and all, but I think most of you are missing the point. What WM7 brings is a new platform that is quite impressive from a developer's perspective and has the tools (VS 2010, Blend, & Silverlight) to make developing on the platform a very rewarding experience compared to it's competition. It's new, so you have to commit to learning the new toolset, but once you do you'll be blown away by how well thought out it is (speaking from experience here). You're just looking at the out of the box experience like when you unpackage a new laptop that has next to nothing installed on it. The other point that I think you're missing is that consumers (non-developers) are really going to like this device and the way it works. Look around on the net for some of apps that have already been built for WM7 like Netflix, FB, and Twitter and you'll see the potential for this device to whip consumers into a "gotta have that, not willing to live without it" frenzy. Just sayin... Oh and one more thing: It is going to launch with 3G - http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20019146-85.html[^]
modified on Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:16 AM
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Dunlap has kinda already answered what you are saying - http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3631166/Re-Just-got-WM7-phone-modified.aspx Microsoft declared that they won't give manufacturers an option to customize UI (which is, if you ask me - really bad decisions - no point in copying Apple in everything). As for if it is good idea to buy LG hardware - I haven't bought phone, I got it from Microsoft; haven't had much choice ;)
Customization is not important.. do you see dell having it's own version of W7, or, ... I could go on.. WP7 (not WM..) has whitespacing to allow manufacturers/dealers/ etc.. to insert their logos... really what more do you need, and as a user what more do you want....?!:confused:
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But let's be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else...
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Predrag Tomasevic wrote:
yeah, you read it right, they are launching WM7 without copy/paste and 3G support).
No 3G? :wtf:
Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Predrag Tomasevic wrote: yeah, you read it right, they are launching WM7 without copy/paste and 3G support). No 3G? WTF
I haven't seen that claim anywhere else and am rather dubious as a result. 3G not being available where the OP lives with the phones carrier, or the freebies he implies Balmer's tossing out for developers being intentionally nerfed vs retail phones seems a lot more likely...
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Predrag Tomasevic wrote: yeah, you read it right, they are launching WM7 without copy/paste and 3G support). No 3G? WTF
I haven't seen that claim anywhere else and am rather dubious as a result. 3G not being available where the OP lives with the phones carrier, or the freebies he implies Balmer's tossing out for developers being intentionally nerfed vs retail phones seems a lot more likely...
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Dan Neely wrote:
I haven't seen that claim anywhere else and am rather dubious as a result. 3G not being available where the OP lives with the phones carrier, or the freebies he implies Balmer's tossing out for developers being intentionally nerfed vs retail phones seems a lot more likely...
I hope that's so because launching a phone without 3G is surely a joke these days.
Regards, Nish
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Dunno how many of you guys read my article on different phone platforms ( Windows Mobile, iPhone, Android - Marketplace Comparison ) but as I made some predictions in it I was anxious to finally get my hands on WM 7 device. That finally happened today when LG GW910 arrived to my mailbox. First impression after playing with it for half an hour is - meh. Really, nothing special - nothing that will really excite you. To compare it to the old generation - I was way more excited when I got my first WM6 device... exploring HTC TouchFlow and spending almost whole day playing Teeter ;). What adds to the plain taste is UI, which to me feels more like a prototype than something destined for production. I understand striving for removing clutter (and I'm all for that), but to have rectangle + text for a button? Seriously guys? What is this, 1984? So far, the biggest thing I liked about the device is that it's way more responsive than previous generations. Transitions between menus are smooth, scrolling is kinda smooth, great job on that. To sum it up - I really don't think that Microsoft is going anywhere with Windows Mobile 7. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that WM7 is _bad_. What I am saying is that it doesn't bring up anything new to the table that will allow it to rival Android/iPhone. Simple question to Microsoft: WHY should any hardware manufacturer license WM7 ($40 per phone I believe) instead of Android ($0 per phone)? And, please note that at this point of time Android is far more advanced OS than WM7 (hell, at this point I would even say that WM6 has brighter future and more to offer than WM7 - Skype, copy/paste, 3G... yeah, you read it right, they are launching WM7 without copy/paste and 3G support). Would love to hear your thoughts on WM7 fellow CPians ;). EDIT 1: I am glad to see that so many of you guys have positive expectations for WM7. And I wouldn't mind to be wrong on this one as it means that I could trade Eclipse back for Visual Studio ;) But I just don't see it happening as (again) - there is nothing that will "incentify" manufacturers to produce WM7 phones (licensing costs) and customers to buy them (go with our phone, and trust us - we'll later add support for feature you need and already have on o
Really, this cnn article Windows Phone 7 says the licensing fee is 5 to 10 dollars, and droid charges for some preinstalled apps. I quote from the article: "a source familiar with Android's licensing deals said Google charges smartphone makers for the applications that are pre-installed on Android phones, like Gmail and YouTube. Google declined to comment on the specifics of its licensing deals. That cost roughly matches the fees that Microsoft charges to license Windows Phone 7, Dulaney estimates." Also there is the litigation issue as quoted from the article: "Windows Phone 7's license includes indemnifications protecting the handset manufacturers from legal battles, according to Al Hilwa, analyst at IDC. HTC and Motorola have been accused of patent violations by Apple and Microsoft, respectively, over the user interface on their Android-based smartphones. By paying a licensing fee to Microsoft, the handset makers essentially transfer the burden of fending off intellectual property disputes to the software maker. 'Ultimately, open source is free, but there is no neck to choke if something goes wrong," Dulaney said. "For that privilege, you have to pay someone.'"
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Predrag Tomasevic wrote:
There aren't any games that come with the phone by default ;(
Kind of stupid IMO, they should have a couple of simple non-demo/non-beta/non-stripped down games for people to try.
Watched code never compiles.
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Really? GSM != G3? Time to educate: GSM is the counterpart to CDMA (cell phone radio technlogy), NOT the counterpart to 3G (third generation networking *or* Girls, Gambling and Games as I've heard it described in Japan). Both GSM and CDMA support 3G, it's just a matter of which has the coverage in your area. GSM where you live may only be 2G (AT&T (which uses GSM) 3G coverage is abysmal when compared to Verizon, but it does have 3G coverage). My biggest question with regard to WP7 has to do with foreign language input for emails. Say you get an email with Chinese or Japanese characters, are you able to reply with Chinese or Japanese text or are you still screwed (like you are with Windows Mobile 6.5 and before)? Thanks!
Mike Poz
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Predrag Tomasevic wrote:
yeah, you read it right, they are launching WM7 without copy/paste and 3G support).
No 3G? :wtf:
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Code Project Forums : New Posts Monitor This application monitors for new posts in the Code Project forums.
And they're offering no more "communications" options other than good ol' basic HTTP so none of the more advanced protocols supported by WCF (i.e. Dual HTTP) are available, so it doesn't seem that they have business/enterprise apps on their mind, just Facebook stuff.
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I know we're all sitting here on CP, and we're developers, Developers, DEVELOPERS! and all, but I think most of you are missing the point. What WM7 brings is a new platform that is quite impressive from a developer's perspective and has the tools (VS 2010, Blend, & Silverlight) to make developing on the platform a very rewarding experience compared to it's competition. It's new, so you have to commit to learning the new toolset, but once you do you'll be blown away by how well thought out it is (speaking from experience here). You're just looking at the out of the box experience like when you unpackage a new laptop that has next to nothing installed on it. The other point that I think you're missing is that consumers (non-developers) are really going to like this device and the way it works. Look around on the net for some of apps that have already been built for WM7 like Netflix, FB, and Twitter and you'll see the potential for this device to whip consumers into a "gotta have that, not willing to live without it" frenzy. Just sayin... Oh and one more thing: It is going to launch with 3G - http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20019146-85.html[^]
modified on Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:16 AM
All really good points. And on the topic of 'plain UI', I think the device is clean and sharp (IOW, I don't think it's plain). Metro (if they're still calling it that) is getting really good reviews from designers.
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Predrag Tomasevic wrote:
Yeah... the funny thing is - it seems they are trying to copy iPhone even on bad things - remember how iPhone didn't have 3G and copy/paste when initially released?
The copy/paste may not be a big deal but the lack of 3G would certainly be a show stopper. Why would anyone downgrade from a 3G phone to one that doesn't have that? :~
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Code Project Forums : New Posts Monitor This application monitors for new posts in the Code Project forums.
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hi, I don't know about the LG device, but the HTC Devices support 3G: http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hd7/specification.html[^] BG
Thanks.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Code Project Forums : New Posts Monitor This application monitors for new posts in the Code Project forums.
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Dunno how many of you guys read my article on different phone platforms ( Windows Mobile, iPhone, Android - Marketplace Comparison ) but as I made some predictions in it I was anxious to finally get my hands on WM 7 device. That finally happened today when LG GW910 arrived to my mailbox. First impression after playing with it for half an hour is - meh. Really, nothing special - nothing that will really excite you. To compare it to the old generation - I was way more excited when I got my first WM6 device... exploring HTC TouchFlow and spending almost whole day playing Teeter ;). What adds to the plain taste is UI, which to me feels more like a prototype than something destined for production. I understand striving for removing clutter (and I'm all for that), but to have rectangle + text for a button? Seriously guys? What is this, 1984? So far, the biggest thing I liked about the device is that it's way more responsive than previous generations. Transitions between menus are smooth, scrolling is kinda smooth, great job on that. To sum it up - I really don't think that Microsoft is going anywhere with Windows Mobile 7. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that WM7 is _bad_. What I am saying is that it doesn't bring up anything new to the table that will allow it to rival Android/iPhone. Simple question to Microsoft: WHY should any hardware manufacturer license WM7 ($40 per phone I believe) instead of Android ($0 per phone)? And, please note that at this point of time Android is far more advanced OS than WM7 (hell, at this point I would even say that WM6 has brighter future and more to offer than WM7 - Skype, copy/paste, 3G... yeah, you read it right, they are launching WM7 without copy/paste and 3G support). Would love to hear your thoughts on WM7 fellow CPians ;). EDIT 1: I am glad to see that so many of you guys have positive expectations for WM7. And I wouldn't mind to be wrong on this one as it means that I could trade Eclipse back for Visual Studio ;) But I just don't see it happening as (again) - there is nothing that will "incentify" manufacturers to produce WM7 phones (licensing costs) and customers to buy them (go with our phone, and trust us - we'll later add support for feature you need and already have on o
I think WP7 will make it. For one the apps are what it is all about. The OS is minor. The .NET army of programmers will make WP7 succeed. It is a very low learning curve. And you have Microsoft behind it. They have the $$ to make it happen. This is just the first torpedo fired at Android and iPhone. I am not a Microsoft fan boy but I think they are taking major step in the right direction.
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Dunno how many of you guys read my article on different phone platforms ( Windows Mobile, iPhone, Android - Marketplace Comparison ) but as I made some predictions in it I was anxious to finally get my hands on WM 7 device. That finally happened today when LG GW910 arrived to my mailbox. First impression after playing with it for half an hour is - meh. Really, nothing special - nothing that will really excite you. To compare it to the old generation - I was way more excited when I got my first WM6 device... exploring HTC TouchFlow and spending almost whole day playing Teeter ;). What adds to the plain taste is UI, which to me feels more like a prototype than something destined for production. I understand striving for removing clutter (and I'm all for that), but to have rectangle + text for a button? Seriously guys? What is this, 1984? So far, the biggest thing I liked about the device is that it's way more responsive than previous generations. Transitions between menus are smooth, scrolling is kinda smooth, great job on that. To sum it up - I really don't think that Microsoft is going anywhere with Windows Mobile 7. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that WM7 is _bad_. What I am saying is that it doesn't bring up anything new to the table that will allow it to rival Android/iPhone. Simple question to Microsoft: WHY should any hardware manufacturer license WM7 ($40 per phone I believe) instead of Android ($0 per phone)? And, please note that at this point of time Android is far more advanced OS than WM7 (hell, at this point I would even say that WM6 has brighter future and more to offer than WM7 - Skype, copy/paste, 3G... yeah, you read it right, they are launching WM7 without copy/paste and 3G support). Would love to hear your thoughts on WM7 fellow CPians ;). EDIT 1: I am glad to see that so many of you guys have positive expectations for WM7. And I wouldn't mind to be wrong on this one as it means that I could trade Eclipse back for Visual Studio ;) But I just don't see it happening as (again) - there is nothing that will "incentify" manufacturers to produce WM7 phones (licensing costs) and customers to buy them (go with our phone, and trust us - we'll later add support for feature you need and already have on o
I was one of the developers to present at the developers launch in the Inland Empire in SoCal. It was a lot of fun getting into the code and holding a code contest. Here is my bottom line: WP7 is a version 1.0 phone. I know they had mobile already but they are drastically changing the entire architecture and hardware requirements, thus it's a v1 in my book. That being said it's just like most other v1 vendors out there. It has some interesting things but nothing that is going to steal the market. It also has a lot of "coming soon" basic features so there just isn't enough to draw the basic user. To be honest, every manufacturer who entered the "sexy" phone marketplace after the first was always a hum drum opener. After about two to three years they finally were playing on the same field. The WP7 phone fills the last sexy phone developer's market. In three years they will all have the same features and apps with only a little leap frogging of each other to keep ahead of the pack. I have to agree on the UI. Microsoft is marketing this UI as their new "Metro" interface, meaning that just like metro signs on the highways the Live Tiles (the icons) are easy to see and know exactly what they are for. You can find what you want really easily. To me its just "meh". I would not be surprised to see this entire UI abandoned within one year to something that's much more sexy. However, I do LOVE that I finally have a phone I can develop for in my native professional language. Having a phone that natively runs .Net is great. That opens up a whole new playing field for me. Microsoft bound enterprises are probably going to go for it too. So, in the end, not a show stopper by any means, but it opens a door.