Windows Phone 7 - Smart Phone haters and non geeks avert your eyes [modified]
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I got a chance to try Windows Phone 7 phones at a store: samsung focus and HTC Surround. I must say the OS is awesome. What stands apart is the performance. My friend tested his iPhone 4 and samsung focus, side by side, and surprisingly windows phone 7 loaded the pages faster on the few sites we tried. The animations are really smooth and the UI is clearly different and refreshing. I am not crazy about the device themselves Samsung Focus is the only device I liked (form factor + it has a good AMOLED screen). Also, the phones are available at reasonably discounted prices on Amazon.com.
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:-D :-D :-D But can you actually make a "phone" call. :-D :-D :-D
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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I got a chance to try Windows Phone 7 phones at a store: samsung focus and HTC Surround. I must say the OS is awesome. What stands apart is the performance. My friend tested his iPhone 4 and samsung focus, side by side, and surprisingly windows phone 7 loaded the pages faster on the few sites we tried. The animations are really smooth and the UI is clearly different and refreshing. I am not crazy about the device themselves Samsung Focus is the only device I liked (form factor + it has a good AMOLED screen). Also, the phones are available at reasonably discounted prices on Amazon.com.
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Ahhhh, another standard established by yours truly. It's very hard to argue against the fact that I truly inspire greatness. :)
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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Ahhhh, another standard established by yours truly. It's very hard to argue against the fact that I truly inspire greatness. :)
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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I got a chance to try Windows Phone 7 phones at a store: samsung focus and HTC Surround. I must say the OS is awesome. What stands apart is the performance. My friend tested his iPhone 4 and samsung focus, side by side, and surprisingly windows phone 7 loaded the pages faster on the few sites we tried. The animations are really smooth and the UI is clearly different and refreshing. I am not crazy about the device themselves Samsung Focus is the only device I liked (form factor + it has a good AMOLED screen). Also, the phones are available at reasonably discounted prices on Amazon.com.
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But did you try browsing while doing other things, like listening to music? As far as I understand WP7 doesn't support multi-tasking. For me that's a deal breaker.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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But did you try browsing while doing other things, like listening to music? As far as I understand WP7 doesn't support multi-tasking. For me that's a deal breaker.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
If you use the Zune software built into the phone, it'll play while in the background. I just tested this out (streaming music from the Zune Marketplace while browsing the web), just for you! :-D If you're talking about using a 3rd party media player instead of Zune, I believe that you're right that it won't play.
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But did you try browsing while doing other things, like listening to music? As far as I understand WP7 doesn't support multi-tasking. For me that's a deal breaker.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
But way? It’s not like MS or Apple are not capable to create multi-threaded OS for a smart phone. We know that this has nothing to do with the hardware since for a single core processor it’s just simulated from the OS so probably there is a reason behind not doing this. I think they’ve decided that the usability of multi-tasking with this very small screen will be close to zero. Also it will make the phone more expensive because the additional memory required when more than one application is running. What is the situation with the Android? Do it have a multitasking?
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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I got a chance to try Windows Phone 7 phones at a store: samsung focus and HTC Surround. I must say the OS is awesome. What stands apart is the performance. My friend tested his iPhone 4 and samsung focus, side by side, and surprisingly windows phone 7 loaded the pages faster on the few sites we tried. The animations are really smooth and the UI is clearly different and refreshing. I am not crazy about the device themselves Samsung Focus is the only device I liked (form factor + it has a good AMOLED screen). Also, the phones are available at reasonably discounted prices on Amazon.com.
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
I must say the OS is awesome
Of course it is. And what is even better is how extremely easy it is to write apps for it, compared with their competitors
i am a Microsoft fanboy. That is all you need to know.
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I'm a big fan as well, having tried an HD7 in store. 2 things I'd seriously miss from Android though: 1. The ability to tether without having to pay my carrier extra, or even tell them at all 2. Included satnav I'm pretty sold on it anyway though, might pick one up early next year if their app store matures well.
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But way? It’s not like MS or Apple are not capable to create multi-threaded OS for a smart phone. We know that this has nothing to do with the hardware since for a single core processor it’s just simulated from the OS so probably there is a reason behind not doing this. I think they’ve decided that the usability of multi-tasking with this very small screen will be close to zero. Also it will make the phone more expensive because the additional memory required when more than one application is running. What is the situation with the Android? Do it have a multitasking?
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Android has 3rd party multitasking, and IIRC did before the iPhone did. WP7 will get it in a future update, adding support while making sure background apps don't rape the battery was one of the features removed from the 1.0 release in order to keep the launch timetable as short as possible.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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If you use the Zune software built into the phone, it'll play while in the background. I just tested this out (streaming music from the Zune Marketplace while browsing the web), just for you! :-D If you're talking about using a 3rd party media player instead of Zune, I believe that you're right that it won't play.
Exactly, you can't use Pandora and other apps in WP7. Taking away features people have come to expect is not the way to sell devices.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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But way? It’s not like MS or Apple are not capable to create multi-threaded OS for a smart phone. We know that this has nothing to do with the hardware since for a single core processor it’s just simulated from the OS so probably there is a reason behind not doing this. I think they’ve decided that the usability of multi-tasking with this very small screen will be close to zero. Also it will make the phone more expensive because the additional memory required when more than one application is running. What is the situation with the Android? Do it have a multitasking?
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Sorry but your arguments don't hold up. Android is capable of such tasks. I routinely have Pandora and a GPS tracking app running in the background while checking emails.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Exactly, you can't use Pandora and other apps in WP7. Taking away features people have come to expect is not the way to sell devices.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
I ask this seriously because I don't know and can't be bothered to fire up Google to find out ;) ... did the first version of the iPhone support backgrounding Pandora, etc.? If so, I can (kind of) see your point; however, even if it did, I'd rather have Microsoft produce a product that works well at everything it does than one that promises something that it delivers poorly. I believe that there will (eventually) be an update to allow third-party apps to run in the background if they need that capability. I imagine that it'll wind up being another thing the app has to ask permission to do (like accessing location info, etc.) and that most apps won't do it because most won't need to do so. I think that most apps (obviously not ones like Pandora) will work just fine with the push notification system that WP7 supports. That said, I really wish the twitter app supported push notifications (that, or that someone would point me toward one that does). Anyway, I upgraded from a WM6.5 device to my WP7-based Focus and haven't missed multitasking (except for twitter, that is, and that could be resolved if the app supported push) but then I don't use Pandora and the like.
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Need to try... Drop test, the iPhone is prone to a smashed screen Battery Life, the iPhone has dire battery life.
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Yes, I also tried yesterday in the at&t store, the AMOLED screen was stunning (I want 24" AMOLED monitor :rolleyes: ), and the fonts are so sharp. The overall OS was fluid, and more responsive than my iPhone 3GS. if you compare the weight and size of Samsung Focus, you will not notice that it's in your pocket. HTC Surround was disappointing, there was nothing surround about that... but I will still wait for the Dell Venue Pro. cant wait to buy one... :)
Rutvik Dave wrote:
but I will still wait for the Dell Venue Pro. cant wait to buy one...
Indeed. I like it very much too. I've been quite a "gadget hater", but this one I really want. Don't know why, I just want one. For the first time in my life I want a gadget. :)
I used to think.... Finally I realized it's no good.
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I ask this seriously because I don't know and can't be bothered to fire up Google to find out ;) ... did the first version of the iPhone support backgrounding Pandora, etc.? If so, I can (kind of) see your point; however, even if it did, I'd rather have Microsoft produce a product that works well at everything it does than one that promises something that it delivers poorly. I believe that there will (eventually) be an update to allow third-party apps to run in the background if they need that capability. I imagine that it'll wind up being another thing the app has to ask permission to do (like accessing location info, etc.) and that most apps won't do it because most won't need to do so. I think that most apps (obviously not ones like Pandora) will work just fine with the push notification system that WP7 supports. That said, I really wish the twitter app supported push notifications (that, or that someone would point me toward one that does). Anyway, I upgraded from a WM6.5 device to my WP7-based Focus and haven't missed multitasking (except for twitter, that is, and that could be resolved if the app supported push) but then I don't use Pandora and the like.
Marc A. Brown wrote:
I believe that there will (eventually) be an update
Of course there will be an update to fix everything, it's a Microsoft product after all. The distribute first, fix later model works ok with some software but with so many devices on the market waiting for the promise of functionality won't sell yours. Users are already invested with several hundreds of dollars and multi-year contracts they can't just simply download another email client or decide to run mySql versus SQL Server.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Marc A. Brown wrote:
I believe that there will (eventually) be an update
Of course there will be an update to fix everything, it's a Microsoft product after all. The distribute first, fix later model works ok with some software but with so many devices on the market waiting for the promise of functionality won't sell yours. Users are already invested with several hundreds of dollars and multi-year contracts they can't just simply download another email client or decide to run mySql versus SQL Server.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Wow, did Steve Ballmer pee in your Cheerios or something? ;) Seriously though, you'd prefer to see a new product that tries to do everything and fails to do any of it well instead of one that leaves some features out in order to do the included features well? I'd rather have a device that works well even if it doesn't do everything. Those missing features will come when they're solid. Loving the conversation, by the way!
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Wow, did Steve Ballmer pee in your Cheerios or something? ;) Seriously though, you'd prefer to see a new product that tries to do everything and fails to do any of it well instead of one that leaves some features out in order to do the included features well? I'd rather have a device that works well even if it doesn't do everything. Those missing features will come when they're solid. Loving the conversation, by the way!
If the device is not at least equal to existing devices no one is going to buy it. Spending hundreds of dollars to downgrade is not viable option or economically intelligent. I am not going to give up features and functionality and hope that one day I'll get them back. I'm not going to drop to a DSL connection while the cable company upgrades to fiber, I'll stick with the cable modem, then upgrade when available.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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If the device is not at least equal to existing devices no one is going to buy it. Spending hundreds of dollars to downgrade is not viable option or economically intelligent. I am not going to give up features and functionality and hope that one day I'll get them back. I'm not going to drop to a DSL connection while the cable company upgrades to fiber, I'll stick with the cable modem, then upgrade when available.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
True if the feature in question is really important to you. In my case, support for pandora-like apps running in the background is a non-issue. Most or all of my multitasking needs can be met with live tiles and push notifications. Copy/paste, which is supposed to be available in early 2011, is somewhat more important but even that isn't a deal breaker for me. Stability is important to me and I just wasn't getting that with my previous device. I'm hopeful (optimistic even) that'll change with this phone. So, in my case I'd say that the upgrade makes sense. Which has nothing to do with your case, of course! ;)
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Yes, I also tried yesterday in the at&t store, the AMOLED screen was stunning (I want 24" AMOLED monitor :rolleyes: ), and the fonts are so sharp. The overall OS was fluid, and more responsive than my iPhone 3GS. if you compare the weight and size of Samsung Focus, you will not notice that it's in your pocket. HTC Surround was disappointing, there was nothing surround about that... but I will still wait for the Dell Venue Pro. cant wait to buy one... :)
Googling for Samsung Focus, first page: http://www.gizmocrunch.com/mobile/3989-samsung-focus-microsd-problems[^]
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I got a chance to try Windows Phone 7 phones at a store: samsung focus and HTC Surround. I must say the OS is awesome. What stands apart is the performance. My friend tested his iPhone 4 and samsung focus, side by side, and surprisingly windows phone 7 loaded the pages faster on the few sites we tried. The animations are really smooth and the UI is clearly different and refreshing. I am not crazy about the device themselves Samsung Focus is the only device I liked (form factor + it has a good AMOLED screen). Also, the phones are available at reasonably discounted prices on Amazon.com.
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It doesn't seem that long since I was one of the only ones who was planning on buying one. It's interesting to see that it's gaining some traction here in the lounge.
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