Windows Phone 7 - Smart Phone haters and non geeks avert your eyes [modified]
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Googling for Samsung Focus, first page: http://www.gizmocrunch.com/mobile/3989-samsung-focus-microsd-problems[^]
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Yeah they have these hidden micro sd slots on all the windows phone device, with the sticker on it that, if you put card in here you will void your warranty. even at&t store will refuse to put the card for you... i don't know what is the problem. Try this cool Samsung Omnia 7 site[^], it's just cool how they have used silverlight. more information (if you can find it) than Microsoft windows mobile site... :)
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It doesn't seem that long since I was one of the only ones who was planning on buying one. It's interesting to see that it's gaining some traction here in the lounge.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's interesting to see that it's gaining some traction here in the lounge.
It is an MS developers forum, so you should expect that at least a few people will get the windows phone 7. It will be interesting to see if it can be a game changer. The start has been pretty good.
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I ask this seriously because I don't know and can't be bothered to fire up Google to find out ;) ... did the first version of the iPhone support backgrounding Pandora, etc.? If so, I can (kind of) see your point; however, even if it did, I'd rather have Microsoft produce a product that works well at everything it does than one that promises something that it delivers poorly. I believe that there will (eventually) be an update to allow third-party apps to run in the background if they need that capability. I imagine that it'll wind up being another thing the app has to ask permission to do (like accessing location info, etc.) and that most apps won't do it because most won't need to do so. I think that most apps (obviously not ones like Pandora) will work just fine with the push notification system that WP7 supports. That said, I really wish the twitter app supported push notifications (that, or that someone would point me toward one that does). Anyway, I upgraded from a WM6.5 device to my WP7-based Focus and haven't missed multitasking (except for twitter, that is, and that could be resolved if the app supported push) but then I don't use Pandora and the like.
As Mark said, WP7 doing the catch-up will not work well for Microsoft as there are already available mature products (iPhone and Android). You already had a WM6.5 that you then upgrade to WP7 but I suppose a lot of people will base their purchase on what features are available now, not in the next 2 years.
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As Mark said, WP7 doing the catch-up will not work well for Microsoft as there are already available mature products (iPhone and Android). You already had a WM6.5 that you then upgrade to WP7 but I suppose a lot of people will base their purchase on what features are available now, not in the next 2 years.
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin Edbert Sydney, Australia
Perhaps, but I'm not convinced the average consumer is going to "get" that the OS is lacking because they can't background a third party app. They're going to see ads touting how different it is and how it'll be easier to use. They'll use the Zune player on their device which does play while it's in the background and they'll be happy with the experience. I think the people who are going to be up in arms are going to be geeks. As one, I wasn't thrilled at the idea of no multitasking and copy/paste; however, I understand why they're missing. And everything I heard or read before release said that the release version of the OS was going to be quite solid - and so far I haven't been disappointed. I think the thing that could've killed them would've been an empty app marketplace (like Palm's when the Pre was released). But the marketplace doesn't look empty to me. I haven't installed much (just a handful of apps) but while browsing, I got the impression of a decently stocked store. Obviously it's not as well stocked as Apple's, but it seems to be off to a good start and it should only grow.
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phannon86 wrote:
1. The ability to tether without having to pay my carrier extra, or even tell them at all
Give it time. Rootkits aren't written overnight...
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:-D :-D :-D But can you actually make a "phone" call. :-D :-D :-D
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
There is an app for that! :P it's in development though... muahahaha! :rolleyes:
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Sorry but your arguments don't hold up. Android is capable of such tasks. I routinely have Pandora and a GPS tracking app running in the background while checking emails.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Not to be a complete twit about it but you're not the "average user". You're a geek who does more things with less than the average "smart phone" user. V1 of WP7 doesn't target you specifically, it targets the sheep masses who think the iPhone (when it was released) was actually worth standing in line for a week just to buy it on day one and Microsoft is hoping to herd up some of the sheep with some slick advertising (admittedly the commercials are funny and thought provoking) and a slightly different user interface based upon a well received Zune Metro UI (for those people who weren't sheep and actually bought a Zune). That said, Microsoft, I'm sure, has a list of things they will be slipstreaming into the phones, copy/cut and paste are already on that list for the next OTA update. Hell, how long did it take the iPhone to implement multitasking? And even their implementation isn't complete, it uses a combination of pausing apps in the background and using services in place of "free for all" multitasking to acccomplish a form of simulated multitasking. And there are people who rave (I'm taking foaming at the mouth raving) about how "perfect" it is. And everything I can find on Android indicates that it uses the exact same methodology as the iOS 4 for "multitasking". So... When Microsoft comes up with a solution that they can get the app developers onboard with that doesn't violate someone else's IP or has reasonable licensing terms, I'm certain they will push an update that allows this for third party apps.
Mike Poz
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Not to be a complete twit about it but you're not the "average user". You're a geek who does more things with less than the average "smart phone" user. V1 of WP7 doesn't target you specifically, it targets the sheep masses who think the iPhone (when it was released) was actually worth standing in line for a week just to buy it on day one and Microsoft is hoping to herd up some of the sheep with some slick advertising (admittedly the commercials are funny and thought provoking) and a slightly different user interface based upon a well received Zune Metro UI (for those people who weren't sheep and actually bought a Zune). That said, Microsoft, I'm sure, has a list of things they will be slipstreaming into the phones, copy/cut and paste are already on that list for the next OTA update. Hell, how long did it take the iPhone to implement multitasking? And even their implementation isn't complete, it uses a combination of pausing apps in the background and using services in place of "free for all" multitasking to acccomplish a form of simulated multitasking. And there are people who rave (I'm taking foaming at the mouth raving) about how "perfect" it is. And everything I can find on Android indicates that it uses the exact same methodology as the iOS 4 for "multitasking". So... When Microsoft comes up with a solution that they can get the app developers onboard with that doesn't violate someone else's IP or has reasonable licensing terms, I'm certain they will push an update that allows this for third party apps.
Mike Poz
Mike Poz wrote:
You're a geek who does more things with less than the average "smart phone" user.
To the contrary. I use my phone less than an "average user" and those users expect those features.
Mike Poz wrote:
how long did it take the iPhone to implement multitasking?
There is the point. Exiting devices already have the functionality and WP7 is being measured against them, not what potential it has in the future. Are you going to buy new a car with the spare tire donuts instead of normal tires with the promise that you'll get normal tires in the future? The car functions, you can drive it? Will you be happy with others zooming past you? What happens when the new tires are delayed because of technical difficulties?
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Mike Poz wrote:
You're a geek who does more things with less than the average "smart phone" user.
To the contrary. I use my phone less than an "average user" and those users expect those features.
Mike Poz wrote:
how long did it take the iPhone to implement multitasking?
There is the point. Exiting devices already have the functionality and WP7 is being measured against them, not what potential it has in the future. Are you going to buy new a car with the spare tire donuts instead of normal tires with the promise that you'll get normal tires in the future? The car functions, you can drive it? Will you be happy with others zooming past you? What happens when the new tires are delayed because of technical difficulties?
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Honestly, when it comes to cell phones, that's what I have, a cell phone. I don't need a small electronic gadget to validate my life. It sounds like you're of the same cut. So really, any shortcomings that the WP7 phone have don't affect me at all and I honestly fail to see how they affect you. What I do know is that the majority of the people who complain about shortcomings in anything are generally the smaller percentage of users. Note that's *generally*, I acknowledge that there are some things that should "just work", oh, like, phone calls. Point in fact, I work with a lot of people who have iPhones and the number of them that actually used cut/copy and paste when it became available number in the very low single digits. With regard to multitasking, it is what it is. Microsoft will come out with an implementation, and I'm not going to pout about it because really, when all is said and done, it's just not that critical to my existance. Seriously.
Mike Poz
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I got a chance to try Windows Phone 7 phones at a store: samsung focus and HTC Surround. I must say the OS is awesome. What stands apart is the performance. My friend tested his iPhone 4 and samsung focus, side by side, and surprisingly windows phone 7 loaded the pages faster on the few sites we tried. The animations are really smooth and the UI is clearly different and refreshing. I am not crazy about the device themselves Samsung Focus is the only device I liked (form factor + it has a good AMOLED screen). Also, the phones are available at reasonably discounted prices on Amazon.com.
modified on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 7:01 PM
I got an HTC HD7 with T-Mobile to replace an Android phone two days ago. I am in love. Like... smitten. I love this thing. Like many other comments, I think its hard to adjust to a few things that are missing, but well, the fact that text messaging, email, browsing, and phone calling (AWESOME voice dialing, no app required(iPhone) and better voice recognition than Android)makes it a dream to use. Not getting any dropped calls, Google Voice app works reasonably well, and Netflix is the SHI+! Note on Google Voice. Initiate calls from the app if you don't have a reply or call back number. Otherwise, replying to texts in the standard text app uses Google Voice number just fine. No push notification, but you don't need it. GV sends you a text to your mobile number anyway, and calls come through fine. Note on Netflix. I started watching a movie on WiFi. It looked flawless. I was using headphones and it was an amazing experience. After I figured out the jog controls (rock your finger or thumb on the timeline. Thumbnails appear showing you where you will advance to.) I was sold. Opened a real Netflix account just for this phone. Later, I was on 3G and showing a friend. I hit the button to "Resume" the movie. It told me I was on an inferior connection and looked horrible. For about 10 seconds, then it found its footing and looked great. (although not as good as wifi) Later, I got an email from Netflix asking about the video quality of the specific movie I had been watching. Was it good, adequate, unwatchable?) I love that. I thought they handled the transition between networks very well. So, with the great apps that are coming out (around a thousand at launch on Monday, now over 2000 on Wed/Thur) the great quality of the phone (battery life sucks. I'm always watching damn movies on it now) and the GORGEOUS UI, this is the best phone I've ever had. I am an early adopter so I'm used to dealing with Gen 1 issues. I went from HTC Tilt to iPhone 1, then iPhone 3G, then Google G1, then am using a Droid for work phone, and now the HTC HD7. This one wins. Hands down.
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Yeah they have these hidden micro sd slots on all the windows phone device, with the sticker on it that, if you put card in here you will void your warranty. even at&t store will refuse to put the card for you... i don't know what is the problem. Try this cool Samsung Omnia 7 site[^], it's just cool how they have used silverlight. more information (if you can find it) than Microsoft windows mobile site... :)
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Exactly, you can't use Pandora and other apps in WP7. Taking away features people have come to expect is not the way to sell devices.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
I attended Tech Days in Ottawa, Pandora + multitasking was raised. MS is listening. Apparently Pandora will be one of the first 3rd party apps to be allowed to run in the background (that is native to the zune software). So if your app is as popular as Pandora, they may make an exception for it too: good luck!
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I was told at Tech Days that once you insert SD card, the OS consumes the memory, and won't give it back. If you remove the card it will brick the device, you need to have the OS re-imaged, loosing your data.
:omg: sure feels like a Microsoft OS...