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  • G Gregory Gadow

    The theory of gravity is just a theory. TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!

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    Pete OHanlon
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    It does if you've disproved centripetal force.

    I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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    • D Dalek Dave

      What happens if you throw yourself to the ground, and miss?

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      Pete OHanlon
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      That only works if you get distracted, say by a nice game of cricket.

      I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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        That only works if you get distracted, say by a nice game of cricket.

        I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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        Dalek Dave
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        Or some interesting pseudopodia.

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        • D Dalek Dave

          REPEAL OHMS LAW!

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          Electron Shepherd
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          Dalek Dave wrote:

          REPEAL OHMS LAW

          I must offer some resistance to this idea!

          Server and Network Monitoring

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          • P Pete OHanlon

            It does if you've disproved centripetal force.

            I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

            Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

            My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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            Dalek Dave
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            Thank you, 5, Big Kiss, Cigar and Handshake. I have, for many years, been arguing with friends who are by no means stupid, but who are scientifically challenged, that there is no such thing as centrifugal force, it is centripetal! I see I have an ally in my quest to rid the world of this ignorant term.

            ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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              Dalek Dave wrote:

              REPEAL OHMS LAW

              I must offer some resistance to this idea!

              Server and Network Monitoring

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              Dalek Dave
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              I should call Henry, he can give you your inductance lesson!

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              • K KePilo

                Came across a cool site for those long chilllout discussions in the breaks. http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/12/13/is-science-just-a-new-religion/ I know it's not programming but since I get lot's of interesting non related links from the lounge might as well share back :-O . njoy..

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                _Erik_
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                Science can replace the religion, but is not a religion.

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                • K KePilo

                  Came across a cool site for those long chilllout discussions in the breaks. http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/12/13/is-science-just-a-new-religion/ I know it's not programming but since I get lot's of interesting non related links from the lounge might as well share back :-O . njoy..

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                  Chris Losinger
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                  no

                  image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                  • P Pete OHanlon

                    It does if you've disproved centripetal force.

                    I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                    Luc Pattyn
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                    IMO you can't disprove centripetal and centrifugal forces, all you can do is deny them, as I do. Newton didn't need them, Copernicus didn't need them, all physical observations that can be explained, get explained without them. They are urban legends, it simply is inertia abused by pseudo-scientists that want to swing a bucket full of water, and the reaction to it. :)

                    Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [Why QA sucks] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

                    Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.

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                    • D Dalek Dave

                      Thank you, 5, Big Kiss, Cigar and Handshake. I have, for many years, been arguing with friends who are by no means stupid, but who are scientifically challenged, that there is no such thing as centrifugal force, it is centripetal! I see I have an ally in my quest to rid the world of this ignorant term.

                      ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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                      Pete OHanlon
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                      Sounds like they don't know the difference between a centrifuge and gravity.

                      I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                      • D Dalek Dave

                        Thank you, 5, Big Kiss, Cigar and Handshake. I have, for many years, been arguing with friends who are by no means stupid, but who are scientifically challenged, that there is no such thing as centrifugal force, it is centripetal! I see I have an ally in my quest to rid the world of this ignorant term.

                        ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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                        Luc Pattyn
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                        Close, but no cigars yet. :)

                        Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [Why QA sucks] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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                        • K KePilo

                          Came across a cool site for those long chilllout discussions in the breaks. http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/12/13/is-science-just-a-new-religion/ I know it's not programming but since I get lot's of interesting non related links from the lounge might as well share back :-O . njoy..

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                          Pete OHanlon
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                          Sacrifice the pagans to the petri dish.

                          I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                          • K KePilo

                            Came across a cool site for those long chilllout discussions in the breaks. http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/12/13/is-science-just-a-new-religion/ I know it's not programming but since I get lot's of interesting non related links from the lounge might as well share back :-O . njoy..

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                            ceMental
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                            Hello, Here is a good science blog that discusses science, pseudoscience, religion, etc. http://theness.com/neurologicablog/[neurological blog]

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                            • D Dalek Dave

                              I should call Henry, he can give you your inductance lesson!

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                              Henry Minute
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                              Sadly I cannot help. I've run out of duct. Just before Xmas too!:mad:

                              Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                                IMO you can't disprove centripetal and centrifugal forces, all you can do is deny them, as I do. Newton didn't need them, Copernicus didn't need them, all physical observations that can be explained, get explained without them. They are urban legends, it simply is inertia abused by pseudo-scientists that want to swing a bucket full of water, and the reaction to it. :)

                                Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [Why QA sucks] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

                                Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.

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                                Dalek Dave
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                                You are obviously not a physicist! Centripetal force is a real force, a square law force at that, and nature loves them! (F=m.v^2/r and S=r.Δv/v are useful equations to remember)

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                                  Sadly I cannot help. I've run out of duct. Just before Xmas too!:mad:

                                  Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                                  Dalek Dave
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                                  Your toolbox appears to lack the capacitance!

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                                    Er...No! Religion requires belief and unquestioning loyalty. Science requires proof and nothing else but questions. Asking if science is like religion is like asking 'Why is a mouse when it spins'. Meaningless and a waste of time. Science is the antithesis of religion, science requires intelligence and learning to succeed, religion requires stupidity, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.

                                    ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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                                    Bassam Abdul Baki
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                                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                                    Science requires proof and nothing else but questions.

                                    Where does matter come from? Why do oppositely charged electrical matter attract and those that are the same repel? Where did the Big Bang come from? The absolute basis of science does require a leap of faith. Every science has certain givens that we assume to be true and derive most everything else from those. Try proving the 5th postulate.

                                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                                    Asking if science is like religion is like asking 'Why is a mouse when it spins'.

                                    Schrödinger's cat was chasing it. Assuming it's a what, not a why. Otherwise, that's like a scientist asking why is light smelly?

                                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                                    Science is the antithesis of religion, science requires intelligence and learning to succeed, religion requires stupidity, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.

                                    Although I hate religion and find it a waste of time, I disagree with this. Science and religion both require faith that what you're doing is right. The only difference between them is that science finds a potential proof or disproof after a certain period of time (there are exceptions like the 5th postulate), whereas religion only deals with the Supreme Being and existence (which IMO will never be answered, much less proven), even if their interpretation is completely flawed.

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                                    • K KePilo

                                      Came across a cool site for those long chilllout discussions in the breaks. http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/12/13/is-science-just-a-new-religion/ I know it's not programming but since I get lot's of interesting non related links from the lounge might as well share back :-O . njoy..

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                                      QuiJohn
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                                      From (Monday's?) xkcd: Q: So, has this sickness opened you up to looking for answers beyond science? ... No, not really. We've groped for comfort before the slings and arrows of fortune for millenia, and I begrudge nobody their source of solace. But science provides tools. $100 billion a year in scientific studies and medical R&D has bought us some pretty damn powerful slings and arrows of our own. The world is amazing, and I'm going to live to experience more of it thanks to people who refused to gracefully accept the ineffability of reality. I find my courage where I can, but I take my weapons from science. Because they work, bitches.


                                      He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.

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                                      • D Dalek Dave

                                        Your toolbox appears to lack the capacitance!

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                                        Henry Minute
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                                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                                        Your toolbox appears to lack the capacitance!

                                        Yes but it has potential.

                                        Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                                        • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                                          Science requires proof and nothing else but questions.

                                          Where does matter come from? Why do oppositely charged electrical matter attract and those that are the same repel? Where did the Big Bang come from? The absolute basis of science does require a leap of faith. Every science has certain givens that we assume to be true and derive most everything else from those. Try proving the 5th postulate.

                                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                                          Asking if science is like religion is like asking 'Why is a mouse when it spins'.

                                          Schrödinger's cat was chasing it. Assuming it's a what, not a why. Otherwise, that's like a scientist asking why is light smelly?

                                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                                          Science is the antithesis of religion, science requires intelligence and learning to succeed, religion requires stupidity, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.

                                          Although I hate religion and find it a waste of time, I disagree with this. Science and religion both require faith that what you're doing is right. The only difference between them is that science finds a potential proof or disproof after a certain period of time (there are exceptions like the 5th postulate), whereas religion only deals with the Supreme Being and existence (which IMO will never be answered, much less proven), even if their interpretation is completely flawed.

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                                          Dalek Dave
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                                          Spoken like someone who has never studied science. As a physicist I am rarely asked anything, but here goes... Matter comes in and out of existance at all times. it is not matter in the sense you understand it to be, merely a quantum possibility that oscillates on a probabity brane (String Theory), and at this micro level there is nothing touchable, merely interactable. This matter comes in many flavours, from thr leptonic via the mesonic to the baryonic and then into what is merely the atomic level. Even then, it is not really matter as you would understand, but a set of charges and forces, Weak, Strong, Electromagnetic and Gravity. Oddly, the stongest of these is the Weak force, and the weakest is gravity, although gravity binds the whole universe together. But gravity exists across all 11 dimensions, not just the 4 that we easily comprehend. (Brane Theory). One we get to the macro level we still cannot touch anything, for most of everything is nothing. When you handle a ball or a door or a puppy, you are not touching any part of that ball, door or puppy, merely the electromagnetic forces within your body are hitting the field resistance of the ball etc. As for where big bang came from is pointless as there was no time before big bang. Time was created then. It may not have been the first or only big bang, and there are probably billions of universes, why not, physics abhors a vacuum. Religion is clearly preposterous as it took a mind to create it, and our minds are shaped by our evolutionary and genetic inheritance, whereas physics works whether we are watching or not. Hell, they even leave gravity switched on at the weekend! This is why religion is always doomed to fail, because eventually we all accept that what the stupid bastards are preaching is wrong.

                                          ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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