Is science just a new religion ?
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Came across a cool site for those long chilllout discussions in the breaks. http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/12/13/is-science-just-a-new-religion/ I know it's not programming but since I get lot's of interesting non related links from the lounge might as well share back :-O . njoy..
Hello, Here is a good science blog that discusses science, pseudoscience, religion, etc. http://theness.com/neurologicablog/[neurological blog]
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IMO you can't disprove centripetal and centrifugal forces, all you can do is deny them, as I do. Newton didn't need them, Copernicus didn't need them, all physical observations that can be explained, get explained without them. They are urban legends, it simply is inertia abused by pseudo-scientists that want to swing a bucket full of water, and the reaction to it. :)
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You are obviously not a physicist! Centripetal force is a real force, a square law force at that, and nature loves them! (F=m.v^2/r and S=r.Δv/v are useful equations to remember)
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Sadly I cannot help. I've run out of duct. Just before Xmas too!:mad:
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Er...No! Religion requires belief and unquestioning loyalty. Science requires proof and nothing else but questions. Asking if science is like religion is like asking 'Why is a mouse when it spins'. Meaningless and a waste of time. Science is the antithesis of religion, science requires intelligence and learning to succeed, religion requires stupidity, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Science requires proof and nothing else but questions.
Where does matter come from? Why do oppositely charged electrical matter attract and those that are the same repel? Where did the Big Bang come from? The absolute basis of science does require a leap of faith. Every science has certain givens that we assume to be true and derive most everything else from those. Try proving the 5th postulate.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Asking if science is like religion is like asking 'Why is a mouse when it spins'.
Schrödinger's cat was chasing it. Assuming it's a what, not a why. Otherwise, that's like a scientist asking why is light smelly?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Science is the antithesis of religion, science requires intelligence and learning to succeed, religion requires stupidity, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.
Although I hate religion and find it a waste of time, I disagree with this. Science and religion both require faith that what you're doing is right. The only difference between them is that science finds a potential proof or disproof after a certain period of time (there are exceptions like the 5th postulate), whereas religion only deals with the Supreme Being and existence (which IMO will never be answered, much less proven), even if their interpretation is completely flawed.
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Sadly I cannot help. I've run out of duct. Just before Xmas too!:mad:
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Came across a cool site for those long chilllout discussions in the breaks. http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/12/13/is-science-just-a-new-religion/ I know it's not programming but since I get lot's of interesting non related links from the lounge might as well share back :-O . njoy..
From (Monday's?) xkcd: Q: So, has this sickness opened you up to looking for answers beyond science? ... No, not really. We've groped for comfort before the slings and arrows of fortune for millenia, and I begrudge nobody their source of solace. But science provides tools. $100 billion a year in scientific studies and medical R&D has bought us some pretty damn powerful slings and arrows of our own. The world is amazing, and I'm going to live to experience more of it thanks to people who refused to gracefully accept the ineffability of reality. I find my courage where I can, but I take my weapons from science. Because they work, bitches.
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Your toolbox appears to lack the capacitance!
Yes but it has potential.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Science requires proof and nothing else but questions.
Where does matter come from? Why do oppositely charged electrical matter attract and those that are the same repel? Where did the Big Bang come from? The absolute basis of science does require a leap of faith. Every science has certain givens that we assume to be true and derive most everything else from those. Try proving the 5th postulate.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Asking if science is like religion is like asking 'Why is a mouse when it spins'.
Schrödinger's cat was chasing it. Assuming it's a what, not a why. Otherwise, that's like a scientist asking why is light smelly?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Science is the antithesis of religion, science requires intelligence and learning to succeed, religion requires stupidity, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.
Although I hate religion and find it a waste of time, I disagree with this. Science and religion both require faith that what you're doing is right. The only difference between them is that science finds a potential proof or disproof after a certain period of time (there are exceptions like the 5th postulate), whereas religion only deals with the Supreme Being and existence (which IMO will never be answered, much less proven), even if their interpretation is completely flawed.
Spoken like someone who has never studied science. As a physicist I am rarely asked anything, but here goes... Matter comes in and out of existance at all times. it is not matter in the sense you understand it to be, merely a quantum possibility that oscillates on a probabity brane (String Theory), and at this micro level there is nothing touchable, merely interactable. This matter comes in many flavours, from thr leptonic via the mesonic to the baryonic and then into what is merely the atomic level. Even then, it is not really matter as you would understand, but a set of charges and forces, Weak, Strong, Electromagnetic and Gravity. Oddly, the stongest of these is the Weak force, and the weakest is gravity, although gravity binds the whole universe together. But gravity exists across all 11 dimensions, not just the 4 that we easily comprehend. (Brane Theory). One we get to the macro level we still cannot touch anything, for most of everything is nothing. When you handle a ball or a door or a puppy, you are not touching any part of that ball, door or puppy, merely the electromagnetic forces within your body are hitting the field resistance of the ball etc. As for where big bang came from is pointless as there was no time before big bang. Time was created then. It may not have been the first or only big bang, and there are probably billions of universes, why not, physics abhors a vacuum. Religion is clearly preposterous as it took a mind to create it, and our minds are shaped by our evolutionary and genetic inheritance, whereas physics works whether we are watching or not. Hell, they even leave gravity switched on at the weekend! This is why religion is always doomed to fail, because eventually we all accept that what the stupid bastards are preaching is wrong.
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Er...No! Religion requires belief and unquestioning loyalty. Science requires proof and nothing else but questions. Asking if science is like religion is like asking 'Why is a mouse when it spins'. Meaningless and a waste of time. Science is the antithesis of religion, science requires intelligence and learning to succeed, religion requires stupidity, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Well... I'm going to take a very unpopular opinion on these boards... I'm biting only because I have seen too much slamming lately :(( I will not generically defend religion, roman catholicism, or any other niche you want to slam, but just my own faith in God the Father, identified by Jesus Christ, and who will guide us today as the Holy Spirit.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Religion requires belief and unquestioning loyalty.
Quite the opposite. God requires you 100%. This is your intellect, emotions, physical service, everything about you. You can claim belief without intellect, but it is false. To believe, your mind is at work. You must chase down every doubt you have in order for faith to grow into belief. Otherwise, your faith will fail and your belief will not exist. Claiming belief without intellectual and emotional investment is like claiming to work by showing up physically to your desk, but not thinking about a single line of code.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Science requires proof and nothing else but questions.
Scientific theories have changed too many times to believe that 'proof' is absolute truth.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Science is the antithesis of religion, science requires intelligence and learning to succeed, religion requires stupidity, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.
You're confusing religion with political movements that falsely manipulate people who have foolishly separated their intellect from their beliefs. You cannot pigeon hole a religion by a liar who claims to be of it, but does not live it.
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It does if you've disproved centripetal force.
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Spoken like someone who has never studied science. As a physicist I am rarely asked anything, but here goes... Matter comes in and out of existance at all times. it is not matter in the sense you understand it to be, merely a quantum possibility that oscillates on a probabity brane (String Theory), and at this micro level there is nothing touchable, merely interactable. This matter comes in many flavours, from thr leptonic via the mesonic to the baryonic and then into what is merely the atomic level. Even then, it is not really matter as you would understand, but a set of charges and forces, Weak, Strong, Electromagnetic and Gravity. Oddly, the stongest of these is the Weak force, and the weakest is gravity, although gravity binds the whole universe together. But gravity exists across all 11 dimensions, not just the 4 that we easily comprehend. (Brane Theory). One we get to the macro level we still cannot touch anything, for most of everything is nothing. When you handle a ball or a door or a puppy, you are not touching any part of that ball, door or puppy, merely the electromagnetic forces within your body are hitting the field resistance of the ball etc. As for where big bang came from is pointless as there was no time before big bang. Time was created then. It may not have been the first or only big bang, and there are probably billions of universes, why not, physics abhors a vacuum. Religion is clearly preposterous as it took a mind to create it, and our minds are shaped by our evolutionary and genetic inheritance, whereas physics works whether we are watching or not. Hell, they even leave gravity switched on at the weekend! This is why religion is always doomed to fail, because eventually we all accept that what the stupid bastards are preaching is wrong.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
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Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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So... How did god come to be? Not knowing an answer is where science and religion differ. Religion claims to "know" that god just always was and is, etc... Science is honest within itself and says. "I'm not sure, but dagnabbit, I'm going to dig deep and try to find out through observation and experimentation"
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Well... I'm going to take a very unpopular opinion on these boards... I'm biting only because I have seen too much slamming lately :(( I will not generically defend religion, roman catholicism, or any other niche you want to slam, but just my own faith in God the Father, identified by Jesus Christ, and who will guide us today as the Holy Spirit.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Religion requires belief and unquestioning loyalty.
Quite the opposite. God requires you 100%. This is your intellect, emotions, physical service, everything about you. You can claim belief without intellect, but it is false. To believe, your mind is at work. You must chase down every doubt you have in order for faith to grow into belief. Otherwise, your faith will fail and your belief will not exist. Claiming belief without intellectual and emotional investment is like claiming to work by showing up physically to your desk, but not thinking about a single line of code.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Science requires proof and nothing else but questions.
Scientific theories have changed too many times to believe that 'proof' is absolute truth.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Science is the antithesis of religion, science requires intelligence and learning to succeed, religion requires stupidity, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.
You're confusing religion with political movements that falsely manipulate people who have foolishly separated their intellect from their beliefs. You cannot pigeon hole a religion by a liar who claims to be of it, but does not live it.
Pualee wrote:
Scientific theories have changed too many times to believe that 'proof' is absolute truth.
I'm not sure if you're using this as a criticism of science, but I have seen many who do. People that believe this is the great failing of science do not realize it is proper science's greatest strength, and exactly why it is not a religion.
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
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Well... I'm going to take a very unpopular opinion on these boards... I'm biting only because I have seen too much slamming lately :(( I will not generically defend religion, roman catholicism, or any other niche you want to slam, but just my own faith in God the Father, identified by Jesus Christ, and who will guide us today as the Holy Spirit.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Religion requires belief and unquestioning loyalty.
Quite the opposite. God requires you 100%. This is your intellect, emotions, physical service, everything about you. You can claim belief without intellect, but it is false. To believe, your mind is at work. You must chase down every doubt you have in order for faith to grow into belief. Otherwise, your faith will fail and your belief will not exist. Claiming belief without intellectual and emotional investment is like claiming to work by showing up physically to your desk, but not thinking about a single line of code.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Science requires proof and nothing else but questions.
Scientific theories have changed too many times to believe that 'proof' is absolute truth.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Science is the antithesis of religion, science requires intelligence and learning to succeed, religion requires stupidity, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.
You're confusing religion with political movements that falsely manipulate people who have foolishly separated their intellect from their beliefs. You cannot pigeon hole a religion by a liar who claims to be of it, but does not live it.
Pualee wrote:
This is your intellect, emotions, physical service, everything about you. You can claim belief without intellect, but it is false.
Really... Is that why the bible tells us that we need to come to him(god) as unquestioning, innocent, ignorant little children?
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Pualee wrote:
This is your intellect, emotions, physical service, everything about you. You can claim belief without intellect, but it is false.
Really... Is that why the bible tells us that we need to come to him(god) as unquestioning, innocent, ignorant little children?
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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The theory of gravity is just a theory. TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!
Don't fall for the lies...
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Is for ladies by ladies a favourite site of yours?
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Only in a voyeuristic sense.
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Pualee wrote:
Scientific theories have changed too many times to believe that 'proof' is absolute truth.
I'm not sure if you're using this as a criticism of science, but I have seen many who do. People that believe this is the great failing of science do not realize it is proper science's greatest strength, and exactly why it is not a religion.
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
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Spoken like someone who has never studied science. As a physicist I am rarely asked anything, but here goes... Matter comes in and out of existance at all times. it is not matter in the sense you understand it to be, merely a quantum possibility that oscillates on a probabity brane (String Theory), and at this micro level there is nothing touchable, merely interactable. This matter comes in many flavours, from thr leptonic via the mesonic to the baryonic and then into what is merely the atomic level. Even then, it is not really matter as you would understand, but a set of charges and forces, Weak, Strong, Electromagnetic and Gravity. Oddly, the stongest of these is the Weak force, and the weakest is gravity, although gravity binds the whole universe together. But gravity exists across all 11 dimensions, not just the 4 that we easily comprehend. (Brane Theory). One we get to the macro level we still cannot touch anything, for most of everything is nothing. When you handle a ball or a door or a puppy, you are not touching any part of that ball, door or puppy, merely the electromagnetic forces within your body are hitting the field resistance of the ball etc. As for where big bang came from is pointless as there was no time before big bang. Time was created then. It may not have been the first or only big bang, and there are probably billions of universes, why not, physics abhors a vacuum. Religion is clearly preposterous as it took a mind to create it, and our minds are shaped by our evolutionary and genetic inheritance, whereas physics works whether we are watching or not. Hell, they even leave gravity switched on at the weekend! This is why religion is always doomed to fail, because eventually we all accept that what the stupid bastards are preaching is wrong.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Oh goody, a discussion/argument/debate. :) I am familiar with most of what you said, but here goes.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Matter comes in and out of existance at all times.
Is this fact or our current best understanding of things? Where is this matter coming from? [I doubt this will ever be proven.]Dalek Dave wrote:
merely a quantum possibility that oscillates on a probabity brane (String Theory), and at this micro level there is nothing touchable, merely interactable.
WTH is a quantum possibility? Something either is or isn't. At this micro-level, things cannot be touched because we have humongous fingers. But if it has a microscopic unit of measurement, then it exists.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Even then, it is not really matter as you would understand, but a set of charges and forces, Weak, Strong, Electromagnetic and Gravity.
I've heard of those. I actually took a few physics classes, so I accept those.
Dalek Dave wrote:
But gravity exists across all 11 dimensions, not just the 4 that we easily comprehend. (Brane Theory).
In law, this is hearsay. In religion, heresy. It's just a theory. For all we know, it could be just the ones we know or a million. The universal model is continuously changing based on our observations and what we think best supports what we see or can't see. The proof is not in the pudding.
Dalek Dave wrote:
One we get to the macro level we still cannot touch anything, for most of everything is nothing.
You and I disagree on what nothing is. Nothing is not emptiness IMO. Nothing is
Dalek Dave wrote:
When you handle a ball or a door or a puppy, you are not touching any part of that ball, door or puppy, merely the electromagnetic forces within your body are hitting the field resistance of the ball etc.
True. Otherwise, you have atoms touching and things can move from one body to the next.
Dalek Dave wrote:
As for where big bang came from is pointless as there was no time before big bang. Time was created then. It may not have been the first or only big bang, and there are probably billions of universes, why not, physics abhors a vacuum.
The time before the Big Bang is not pointless. You have no explanation for