baptize my offspring?
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wolfbinary wrote:
You have people saying they believe in turning the other cheek
When you slap them in the face or kick them in the bum? :laugh:
V.
That depends on which cheek they present to you...
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
Unlike some here I do not believe Christianity is a con. However, to baptize or not is your decision. Even Christians can not agree on infant baptism.
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I'm with Griff on this one. I do want to know what a pedofile is though. Is that a document on their computer where they keep the names of all the little boys and girls? :laugh:
I believe it is someone who loves feet.
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
Why brainwash a child into believing in something that does not exist? Still at least you are not mutilating a child's genitals for the sake of what a sky-pixie manual states ought to be done.
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I believe it is someone who loves feet.
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The way he wrote it, wouldn't that be a phoot foot file. What ever that could be totally escapes me. :-D
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Yes, a wonderful case to study when you're learning about CRM. :laugh:
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That depends on which cheek they present to you...
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
I prefer my wife's. :laugh:
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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But as a christian, you do believe in sacrifices to some extent. I mean, the entire religion is based on some jewish guy being sacrified to make atonement for sin. Martyrdom is also a form of self-sacrifice.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
Marcus Kramer wrote:
But as a christian, you do believe in sacrifices to some extent
I don't see myself as a Christian, but I do believe in some sort of sacrifice. One does not imply the other. I'm curious why you start on sacrifice, what does that have to do with baptism or taking up a child in Christian community?
V.
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
Baptism is meant for the remission of sins (forgiving and washing clean). Therefore, baptizing little children before the age of accountability, babies especially, is particularly offensive in the sight of God. Don't do it. Wait until he can choose for himself. In the meantime, teach him to be a good person.
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Baptism is meant for the remission of sins (forgiving and washing clean). Therefore, baptizing little children before the age of accountability, babies especially, is particularly offensive in the sight of God. Don't do it. Wait until he can choose for himself. In the meantime, teach him to be a good person.
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http://obamacaretruth.org/ahmed zahmed wrote:
Baptism is meant for the remission of sins (forgiving and washing clean).
And only for those who are circumcised. ;)
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
Baptism is meant for the remission of sins (forgiving and washing clean).
And only for those who are circumcised. ;)
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
Oakman wrote:
And only for those who are circumcised
I realize you're probably joking, but, that's incorrect. Circumcision is no longer required as it was part of the law that was fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Circumcision of heart (a broken heart and a contrite spirit) is what is now required. Something much more internalized and life changing.
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Oakman wrote:
And only for those who are circumcised
I realize you're probably joking, but, that's incorrect. Circumcision is no longer required as it was part of the law that was fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Circumcision of heart (a broken heart and a contrite spirit) is what is now required. Something much more internalized and life changing.
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http://obamacaretruth.org/I never understood why the genital mutilation of children was so important to being a member of a social club.
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I never understood why the genital mutilation of children was so important to being a member of a social club.
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It was an outer symbol of an inner commitment. But, then, how could 8-day old babies commit to anything? But then who am I to question the Almighty... But yes, rather strange and incomprehensible to me as well.
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Oakman wrote:
And only for those who are circumcised
I realize you're probably joking, but, that's incorrect. Circumcision is no longer required as it was part of the law that was fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Circumcision of heart (a broken heart and a contrite spirit) is what is now required. Something much more internalized and life changing.
Fight Big Government:
http://obamacareclassaction.com/
http://obamacaretruth.org/ahmed zahmed wrote:
realize you're probably joking,
Nope. Just pointing out that things change. John The Baptist and all the other Essenes would have died before they would have baptized anyone but a circumcised Jew. Saul of Tarsus, who never met John, discovered without any textual evidence, that Yeshua ben Yussif had made circumcision no longer necessary, which certainly increased the potential number of converts/donors for his brand of Christianity. Luckily (for Paul) all of the original disciples were all killed defending the Temple from the Romans, so his brand became the brand and the uncircumcised had a clear bath to heaven. I find it noteworthy that Simon the Rock in Acts(2:38-39) specifically includes children when he says that only the baptized get to go to heaven. Of course, you probably know better what Yeshua wanted than did the big fisherman, after all what credentials did he have, other than the keys to the Kingdom of God?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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I never understood why the genital mutilation of children was so important to being a member of a social club.
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Better sex ;)
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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Better sex ;)
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
You like to circumsize children for better sex? Ok I am being facetious, I know exactly what you mean.:) I just think you could have phrased it better.
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You like to circumsize children for better sex? Ok I am being facetious, I know exactly what you mean.:) I just think you could have phrased it better.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I just think you could have phrased it better.
I've set my phraser on stun, captain.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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I prefer my wife's. :laugh:
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Me too... (But my own wife's)
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Baptism is meant for the remission of sins (forgiving and washing clean). Therefore, baptizing little children before the age of accountability, babies especially, is particularly offensive in the sight of God. Don't do it. Wait until he can choose for himself. In the meantime, teach him to be a good person.
Fight Big Government:
http://obamacareclassaction.com/
http://obamacaretruth.org/ahmed zahmed wrote:
Baptism is meant for the remission of sins
I'm not sure where you're getting that or what "version" of Christianity you are referring to. To Catholics, baptism "emphasizes the importance of faithfulness on the part of parents when it says to parents: In asking to have your children baptized, "you are accepting the responsibility of training them in the practice of the faith." That word practice is crucial; it calls for Christian modeling on the part of parents." (http://www.americancatholic.org/UpdateYourFaith/answers.asp?QC0389b[^]). To Methodists, baptism "signifies God’s initiative in the process of salvation" (http://www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b.1697379/k.9027/Baptism_Overview.htm[^]). To most Evangelicals, baptism is simply a visible witness that you have accepted salvation and should only be done when the child is old enough to understand what they are doing.
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
According to American Catholic, the Catholic church would say, "Infant Baptism only makes sense if parents are true Christian disciples. If they are not, then it makes little sense to initiate their children into a Church which calls for a commitment to living the mission of Christ." But I guess the real question is, will this hurt your relationship with your parents and if so, is that of concern to you? If it's not something that you believe in, but it's something that your parents do, what's the harm? Now, if it's something that you feel is wrong, then explain that to your parents and why.