Extra Extra, read all about it! NVidia unveils its first CPU for PCs
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This is the beginning of the end of x86.
No it's not. ARM is still behind x86 in terms of performance and multi threading. Where it excels is power usage. ARM CPUs have been around for ages, and they have failed to break into mainstream PCs, this CPU isn't anything particularly new. This CPU is not going to instantly dominate the desktop market because no one cares about power usage. Where it might do well is the netbook/tablet market, and maybe servers. It's worth noting that there have already been ARM netbooks in the past that never did very well, primarily because they could only run Linux. I think the big thing of importance in this story is that MS are going to include ARM support in the next version of windows, that is the only thing that will allow ARM to make progress in the netbook/tablet form factor. (And even then, there are a stack of ARM cpus to choose from, so this NVidia one is just another for manufacturers to choose from). And of course, Intel/AMD aren't going to sit still, they are going to be working on their own low power CPUs to compete.
Simon
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No it's not. ARM is still behind x86 in terms of performance and multi threading. Where it excels is power usage. ARM CPUs have been around for ages, and they have failed to break into mainstream PCs, this CPU isn't anything particularly new. This CPU is not going to instantly dominate the desktop market because no one cares about power usage. Where it might do well is the netbook/tablet market, and maybe servers. It's worth noting that there have already been ARM netbooks in the past that never did very well, primarily because they could only run Linux. I think the big thing of importance in this story is that MS are going to include ARM support in the next version of windows, that is the only thing that will allow ARM to make progress in the netbook/tablet form factor. (And even then, there are a stack of ARM cpus to choose from, so this NVidia one is just another for manufacturers to choose from). And of course, Intel/AMD aren't going to sit still, they are going to be working on their own low power CPUs to compete.
Simon
I use an atom in my home server as I dont need much processing power but do need it on all the time to run exchange, do backups, share files etc. Total power usage according to my UPS is around 20W. I don't know how much of that is the atom though, I'd have thought things like the hard disk would consume more power than the CPU. Don't know how SSDs compare with this.
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http://infoworld.com/d/hardware/nvidia-unveils-denver-its-first-cpu-pcs-746[^]
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"The downside is that software written for x86 chips will need to be tweaked before it can run on ARM systems." Tweaked or completely rewritten? Still it'd be good if it could run managed .NET code I guess.
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Why oh why did I sell those ARM shares[^]. :laugh:
Simon
I prefer Arm Chairs.
Watched code never compiles.
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I prefer Arm Chairs.
Watched code never compiles.
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I use an atom in my home server as I dont need much processing power but do need it on all the time to run exchange, do backups, share files etc. Total power usage according to my UPS is around 20W. I don't know how much of that is the atom though, I'd have thought things like the hard disk would consume more power than the CPU. Don't know how SSDs compare with this.
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http://infoworld.com/d/hardware/nvidia-unveils-denver-its-first-cpu-pcs-746[^]
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With the luck I have had installing NVidia drivers, this is scary! :sigh:
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I do not foresee the end of them, economies of scale and all that, but ARM will become a major force. Nice to see a British company do well!
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"The downside is that software written for x86 chips will need to be tweaked before it can run on ARM systems." Tweaked or completely rewritten? Still it'd be good if it could run managed .NET code I guess.
Dave Parker wrote:
Tweaked or completely rewritten? Still it'd be good if it could run managed .NET code I guess.
For .net it just mean a CLR being written against the ARM chip.
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Dave Parker wrote:
Tweaked or completely rewritten? Still it'd be good if it could run managed .NET code I guess.
For .net it just mean a CLR being written against the ARM chip.
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well. nobody can say the way I say it! :rolleyes:
Watched code never compiles.
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x86 is an unstoppable juggernaut; every time to dethrone it has failed. The sheer amount of apps, OSes, backwards compatiblity, I don't see ARM becoming a de facto desktop CPU standard. Maybe if you port Windows (desktop Windows, CE is crap) it will be used.
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That's only true for apps not p/invoking 3rd party C/C++ libraries...
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So you'd have to make ARM Windows OS fully compatible against the windows SDK, which it would implicitly would be because you'd be running windows :rolleyes:
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So you'd have to make ARM Windows OS fully compatible against the windows SDK, which it would implicitly would be because you'd be running windows :rolleyes:
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No. I was referring to native code binaries. If you don't have the code, you can't recompile it for arm; MS'd need to implement a virtual x86 to run them, and that isn't in the cards.
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Dan Neely wrote:
; MS'd need to implement a virtual x86 to run them,
Or some kind of WOW subsystem.
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Dan Neely wrote:
; MS'd need to implement a virtual x86 to run them,
Or some kind of WOW subsystem.
