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Yeah, I'd have thought that counterpoint on a violin is hard, whereas on a guitar or piano, you can play many notes and have them all ring out.
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Christian Graus wrote:
t counterpoint on a violin is hard
Sort of. You can do it to a limited extent, but IMHO it's wasted effort. Practically speaking I think that about all you really get is 2 part counterpoint. More than that and you have problems with the bowing (or at least the way modern bows are setup, for some reason I seem to recall that the bows used in Bach's day were set up in such a way that this was easier to do) and hitting all the strings simultaneously. I actually think the Chaconne (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partita_for_Violin_No._2_%28Bach%29[^]) sounds way better on the classical guitar than it does on violin!
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Yeah, I'd have thought that counterpoint on a violin is hard, whereas on a guitar or piano, you can play many notes and have them all ring out.
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I would prefer my kids to be happy, than feel pressured to not enjoy life, be a child, or ever be anything less than the best. My son has had learning problems and I am overjoyed that he gets a C. If he's happy, I don't care what form that takes, so long as he's not breaking the law or hurting anyone. "not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama" What are the consequences for failing a requirement that, by definition, almost everyone is going to fail to achieve ?
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Yeah I agree with that. Let em be kids as long as they stay this side of the law, are decent human beings and happy. You pretty much do the raising until they are about 11, varies with child. After that you are just a counselor. You will know if you did your job or not.
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Exactly - if he's stupid, we still love him and want him to be happy. My mum always pressured me to be top of the class and I remember feeling she cared more about telling her friends how smart I was, than about me or how I felt. I never want my kids to think that.
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Christian Graus wrote:
if he's stupid, we still love him and want him to be happy
You're speaking for my parents here. :rolleyes:
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Anyone read this? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html[^] Pasting an excerpt here: //BOF EXCERPT //*****THIS A EXCERPT FROM THE ARTICLE, NOT MY OWN DEEDS***** A lot of people wonder how Chinese parents raise such stereotypically successful kids. They wonder what these parents do to produce so many math whizzes and music prodigies, what it’s like inside the family, and whether they could do it too. Well, I can tell them, because I’ve done it. Here are some things my daughters, Sophia and Louisa, were never allowed to do: •attend a sleepover •have a playdate •be in a school play •complain about not being in a school play •watch TV or play computer games •choose their own extracurricular activities •get any grade less than an A •not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama •play any instrument other than the piano or violin •not play the piano or violin //EOF EXCERPT what do you think?
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iris.frigole wrote:
not be the No. 1 student in every subject
So, these must all be schools where there's only one student per subject per grade, right? I mean, obviously if my kid is #1, then all the rest are not #1.
iris.frigole wrote:
what do you think?
I think the country with half the world's population is raising an emotionally, socially, and culturally deprived youth. Are these kids going to have any compassion for their fellow human being, or do they see the world as a playground for demonstrating their supposed wonderful intellectual skills? Is there no concept that by being #1, you put someone else into the #2 position? Is competition the real message we want to teach children? Marc
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iris.frigole wrote:
not be the No. 1 student in every subject
So, these must all be schools where there's only one student per subject per grade, right? I mean, obviously if my kid is #1, then all the rest are not #1.
iris.frigole wrote:
what do you think?
I think the country with half the world's population is raising an emotionally, socially, and culturally deprived youth. Are these kids going to have any compassion for their fellow human being, or do they see the world as a playground for demonstrating their supposed wonderful intellectual skills? Is there no concept that by being #1, you put someone else into the #2 position? Is competition the real message we want to teach children? Marc
totally agree with this #1 absurd... and how emotionally painful for the kid if #1 can be achieved... i think aiming at being good at something makes sense, aiming at being #1 simply doesn't
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Since last month when JSOP publicly apologized we all have noticed bizarre behavior from him. I'm really concerned. Do you think it is time we take his permit away? ;P
Yusuf May I help you?
Why are you concerned? I'm stating my opinion regardless of how other people feel about it. Nothing has changed.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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iris.frigole wrote:
not be the No. 1 student in every subject
So, these must all be schools where there's only one student per subject per grade, right? I mean, obviously if my kid is #1, then all the rest are not #1.
iris.frigole wrote:
what do you think?
I think the country with half the world's population is raising an emotionally, socially, and culturally deprived youth. Are these kids going to have any compassion for their fellow human being, or do they see the world as a playground for demonstrating their supposed wonderful intellectual skills? Is there no concept that by being #1, you put someone else into the #2 position? Is competition the real message we want to teach children? Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
So, these must all be schools where there's only one student per subject per grade, right? I mean, obviously if my kid is #1, then all the rest are not #1.
I guess more like one Asian student, the rest all non-Asian. :)
Regards, Nish
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What's wrong with being driven to succeed? Why are we in the west so eager to accept mediocrity as an achievement? These are exactly the reasons the west is in decline. Everyone is expected to succeed or fail to the same level so that nobody stands out as being "better". Your typical Chinese familiy is only allowed to have one child, and getting accepted into a college there is extremely difficult, so if you don't want your kid to be harvesting rice for the rest of his life, you have to use extreme parenting to give them an equal chance at success. I don't have a problem with the strategies listed in the OP as long as the parents aren't psychopaths.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Everyone is expected to succeed or fail to the same level so that nobody stands out as being "better".
I agree with this, in part. My kids get graded 'exceeds expectations', 'meets expectations', and 'does not yet meet expectations'. Where is the grade for 'this kid is stupid' ? I've been told that my daughter is getting there with sports, and I told them to stop lying to me, for example. How does pretending we're all equal, not mean we settle for mediocrity.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I don't have a problem with the strategies listed in the OP as long as the parents aren't psychopaths.
I don't agree, I think parents need to allow for some fun time, sleepovers, having friends, etc. But, I would agree that thinking that they can just float along and life will come their way, is also not doing them a service.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I thought it was pretty clear myself - he's posting about an article he read.
Yeah, same here. There was no confusion there at all, unless anyone thinks the OP owns the Wall Street Journal domain. :)
Regards, Nish
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That's because he edited the post and added the link, before he just posted some text.
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That's because he edited the post and added the link, before he just posted some text.
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Christian Graus wrote:
That's because he edited the post and added the link, before he just posted some text.
I think the original post had the link too.
Regards, Nish
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Christian Graus wrote:
if he's stupid, we still love him and want him to be happy
You're speaking for my parents here. :rolleyes:
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
my parents
So your parents still love you even though you're stupid? That's so compassionate and nice of them!! ;P ;P :laugh:
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Haha, believe me, the Huffington Post is not any more credible. The wjs is a joke though. The have a history of BS, selective story editing, plagiarizing, etc. My company put out a press release yesterday and they started calling looking for a quote from an employee. I could have gotten on the phone and told them anything, I doubt they would even fact check who I was.
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Christian Graus wrote:
That's because he edited the post and added the link, before he just posted some text.
I think the original post had the link too.
Regards, Nish
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Christian Graus wrote:
That's because he edited the post and added the link, before he just posted some text.
I think the original post had the link too.
Regards, Nish
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Nope, I responded right away and saw no link.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Next time I think you should make your post more "clear" as to what you are saying and what the article excerpt is saying. I don't think I was the only one here that misunderstood your post. I am glad to hear that you don't feel this way. :)
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Nope, I responded right away and saw no link.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Nope, I responded right away and saw no link.
I believe I clicked on the link when she posted it. Problem was she linked a single word, like: Anyone read this? So by the time I came back to post my reply a few folks had already assumed those were her daughters :-)
Regards, Nish
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Why are you concerned? I'm stating my opinion regardless of how other people feel about it. Nothing has changed.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Why are you concerned?
Chill out man. Not my business, may be you missed the joke icon and sarcasm.
Yusuf May I help you?
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Anyone read this? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html[^] Pasting an excerpt here: //BOF EXCERPT //*****THIS A EXCERPT FROM THE ARTICLE, NOT MY OWN DEEDS***** A lot of people wonder how Chinese parents raise such stereotypically successful kids. They wonder what these parents do to produce so many math whizzes and music prodigies, what it’s like inside the family, and whether they could do it too. Well, I can tell them, because I’ve done it. Here are some things my daughters, Sophia and Louisa, were never allowed to do: •attend a sleepover •have a playdate •be in a school play •complain about not being in a school play •watch TV or play computer games •choose their own extracurricular activities •get any grade less than an A •not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama •play any instrument other than the piano or violin •not play the piano or violin //EOF EXCERPT what do you think?
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Saw her on Colbert reoprt. She said (fairly convincingly) that she wasn't serious - i.e. it's supposed to be funny, it's all the things she learnt from raising a kid, yadda yadda.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
my parents
So your parents still love you even though you're stupid? That's so compassionate and nice of them!! ;P ;P :laugh:
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
All parents are compassionate. You see, someone has raised even you! :laugh:
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