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    rcollina
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    Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

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      Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

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      Is it possible to stick with the free version or does it still force you to "upgrade" at startup? And is there any way to bypass the update?

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        Is it possible to stick with the free version or does it still force you to "upgrade" at startup? And is there any way to bypass the update?

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        ZDNet article[^] Quoting: [Ed] What about all the people using the free version now. Won’t they just continue to use that? [Greg] This is a common misunderstanding about .NET Reflector and it is something we have taken a lot of flack for in the two and a half years we have owned the tool. .NET Reflector actually has always had a 6 month expiration date built in to each version. Every 6 months or so you need to update to the next version of the software. A lot of people think Red Gate built that expiration model into Reflector but actually it is the way Lutz had run things for the previous 8 years. Forced update; as for bypassing it, it would be oh so bad. For them.

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          Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

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          wolfbinary
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          I don't think there are any updates to the program since I've used it, the beginning, that were worth getting. I don't use it anymore, but if I do some work with sharepoint again I'll want to use it again I'm sure. I knew as soon as Red Gate got involved that it would no longer be free.

          That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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            I don't think there are any updates to the program since I've used it, the beginning, that were worth getting. I don't use it anymore, but if I do some work with sharepoint again I'll want to use it again I'm sure. I knew as soon as Red Gate got involved that it would no longer be free.

            That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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            > but if I do some work with sharepoint again I'll want to use it again I'm sure Funny, I had to use Reflector on SharePoint assemblies not long ago. It did help solving the problem.

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              Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

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              Pete OHanlon
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              This[^] article makes for an interesting read.

              I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

              Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

              My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                ZDNet article[^] Quoting: [Ed] What about all the people using the free version now. Won’t they just continue to use that? [Greg] This is a common misunderstanding about .NET Reflector and it is something we have taken a lot of flack for in the two and a half years we have owned the tool. .NET Reflector actually has always had a 6 month expiration date built in to each version. Every 6 months or so you need to update to the next version of the software. A lot of people think Red Gate built that expiration model into Reflector but actually it is the way Lutz had run things for the previous 8 years. Forced update; as for bypassing it, it would be oh so bad. For them.

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                Dave Parker
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                Thanks. Well, could kind of see it coming anyway.

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                  This[^] article makes for an interesting read.

                  I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                  Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                  Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                  Such a hard hitting interview. Not that I use the tool and personally I think it is O.K. to charge for products and services but I think a press release is a better read than faux journalism.

                  Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                    > but if I do some work with sharepoint again I'll want to use it again I'm sure Funny, I had to use Reflector on SharePoint assemblies not long ago. It did help solving the problem.

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                    wolfbinary
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                    Ya, it helps with the long name junk.

                    That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                      Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

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                      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                      Roberto Collina wrote:

                      Feels wrong.

                      It definately is wrong! X| :mad:

                      Red Gate wrote:

                      In the new model, however, $35 will pay for a perpetual license of .NET Reflector 7.0 that is yours to keep forever. We are also not proposing that for $35 you get free upgrades to new versions; just that your version is yours to keep.

                      Yeah. That's what they say now. Just like they promised to keep the tool free forever, this will change too.

                      "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"

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                        Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

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                        Lost User
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                        They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

                        Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                          This[^] article makes for an interesting read.

                          I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                          realJSOP
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                          From the article: "We were originally working on the assumption that the huge volumes of traffic Reflector would bring to our website would mean users would stop and look around our other tools. It turns out that this wasn’t the case." Well, *I* did what they thought everyone would do, and after looking around at their other tools, I decided that I simply can't justify the expense of buying their stuff for personal use. I think THAT is what happened in the case of a lot of other people too.

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                            They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

                            Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                            Trollslayer wrote:

                            what would you sugggest?

                            To keep the promise they made when the purchased Reflector. That was to keep Reflector free. They didn't have to keep adding features to the free version (just fix bugs). If people wanted the newer features, they could pay for it.

                            "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"

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                              Roberto Collina wrote:

                              Feels wrong.

                              It definately is wrong! X| :mad:

                              Red Gate wrote:

                              In the new model, however, $35 will pay for a perpetual license of .NET Reflector 7.0 that is yours to keep forever. We are also not proposing that for $35 you get free upgrades to new versions; just that your version is yours to keep.

                              Yeah. That's what they say now. Just like they promised to keep the tool free forever, this will change too.

                              "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"

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                              Read the article linked by Pete[^]. What do you expect them to do? get a day job flipping burgers, and hack on Reflector at night? The original Author, Lutz Roeder, already did include the "time bomb" forcing you to update, reserving himself the option to sell the tool one day.

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                                From the article: "We were originally working on the assumption that the huge volumes of traffic Reflector would bring to our website would mean users would stop and look around our other tools. It turns out that this wasn’t the case." Well, *I* did what they thought everyone would do, and after looking around at their other tools, I decided that I simply can't justify the expense of buying their stuff for personal use. I think THAT is what happened in the case of a lot of other people too.

                                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                Hans Dietrich
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                                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                I think THAT is what happened in the case of a lot of other people too.

                                I agree. Any shareware product that starts out at $395 is not even remotely tempting to individual programmers. It's not so much that their marketing strategy for Reflector has failed; it's that their marketing strategy for the rest of their products has failed.

                                Best wishes, Hans


                                [Hans Dietrich Software]

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                                  They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

                                  Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                                  realJSOP
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                                  Trollslayer wrote:

                                  They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

                                  I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.

                                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                  -----
                                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                    Read the article linked by Pete[^]. What do you expect them to do? get a day job flipping burgers, and hack on Reflector at night? The original Author, Lutz Roeder, already did include the "time bomb" forcing you to update, reserving himself the option to sell the tool one day.

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                                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                    I did read the article, where do you think I got the quote from?

                                    peterchen wrote:

                                    What do you expect them to do

                                    To keep their promises. They didn't have to keep developing the tool. They could have kept the tool static and the new features could have been made as a pay tool.

                                    peterchen wrote:

                                    "time bomb" forcing you to update

                                    The time bomb was there to force you to update so Lutz would only have to support one version. It's Red Gate's spin to say it was put in as an option to sell the tool one day.

                                    "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"

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                                      Trollslayer wrote:

                                      They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

                                      I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                      -----
                                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                      -----
                                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                      rcollina
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                                      My thoughts exactly.

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                                        Trollslayer wrote:

                                        They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

                                        I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.

                                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                        -----
                                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                        -----
                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                        thoru
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                                        So why isn't the community start an open source project and make a better reflector?

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                                          So why isn't the community start an open source project and make a better reflector?

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                                          Lost User
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                                          :thumbsup:

                                          Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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