Thanks, Red Gate
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Such a hard hitting interview. Not that I use the tool and personally I think it is O.K. to charge for products and services but I think a press release is a better read than faux journalism.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
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> but if I do some work with sharepoint again I'll want to use it again I'm sure Funny, I had to use Reflector on SharePoint assemblies not long ago. It did help solving the problem.
Ya, it helps with the long name junk.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|
Roberto Collina wrote:
Feels wrong.
It definately is wrong! X| :mad:
Red Gate wrote:
In the new model, however, $35 will pay for a perpetual license of .NET Reflector 7.0 that is yours to keep forever. We are also not proposing that for $35 you get free upgrades to new versions; just that your version is yours to keep.
Yeah. That's what they say now. Just like they promised to keep the tool free forever, this will change too.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"
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Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|
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From the article: "We were originally working on the assumption that the huge volumes of traffic Reflector would bring to our website would mean users would stop and look around our other tools. It turns out that this wasn’t the case." Well, *I* did what they thought everyone would do, and after looking around at their other tools, I decided that I simply can't justify the expense of buying their stuff for personal use. I think THAT is what happened in the case of a lot of other people too.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
Trollslayer wrote:
what would you sugggest?
To keep the promise they made when the purchased Reflector. That was to keep Reflector free. They didn't have to keep adding features to the free version (just fix bugs). If people wanted the newer features, they could pay for it.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"
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Roberto Collina wrote:
Feels wrong.
It definately is wrong! X| :mad:
Red Gate wrote:
In the new model, however, $35 will pay for a perpetual license of .NET Reflector 7.0 that is yours to keep forever. We are also not proposing that for $35 you get free upgrades to new versions; just that your version is yours to keep.
Yeah. That's what they say now. Just like they promised to keep the tool free forever, this will change too.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"
Read the article linked by Pete[^]. What do you expect them to do? get a day job flipping burgers, and hack on Reflector at night? The original Author, Lutz Roeder, already did include the "time bomb" forcing you to update, reserving himself the option to sell the tool one day.
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From the article: "We were originally working on the assumption that the huge volumes of traffic Reflector would bring to our website would mean users would stop and look around our other tools. It turns out that this wasn’t the case." Well, *I* did what they thought everyone would do, and after looking around at their other tools, I decided that I simply can't justify the expense of buying their stuff for personal use. I think THAT is what happened in the case of a lot of other people too.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I think THAT is what happened in the case of a lot of other people too.
I agree. Any shareware product that starts out at $395 is not even remotely tempting to individual programmers. It's not so much that their marketing strategy for Reflector has failed; it's that their marketing strategy for the rest of their products has failed.
Best wishes, Hans
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They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
Trollslayer wrote:
They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?
I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Read the article linked by Pete[^]. What do you expect them to do? get a day job flipping burgers, and hack on Reflector at night? The original Author, Lutz Roeder, already did include the "time bomb" forcing you to update, reserving himself the option to sell the tool one day.
FILETIME to time_t
| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchyI did read the article, where do you think I got the quote from?
peterchen wrote:
What do you expect them to do
To keep their promises. They didn't have to keep developing the tool. They could have kept the tool static and the new features could have been made as a pay tool.
peterchen wrote:
"time bomb" forcing you to update
The time bomb was there to force you to update so Lutz would only have to support one version. It's Red Gate's spin to say it was put in as an option to sell the tool one day.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"
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Trollslayer wrote:
They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?
I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Trollslayer wrote:
They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?
I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Because it's a freaking lot of work! :-) The original author was *that* good. Not surprising that Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.
Regards, Nish
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Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|
Yeah, and because of the forced upgrades, you cannot continue using the free version either :-(
Regards, Nish
Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|
95 bucks for the version that really does something the "Pro". Basic is 35 bucks...which means it doesn't do shit. FAIL X 2:thumbsdown:
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Trollslayer wrote:
They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?
I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Because it's a freaking lot of work! :-) The original author was *that* good. Not surprising that Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.
Regards, Nish
Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.
Really! I thought he was a Microsoft employee even before he started on reflector.
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They might not have got the halo effect they were hoping for with the free version; but they have gotten a forked tail, pitchfork, and horns effect by pulling the plug on it. There is exactly zero chance I will ever lobby for buying a redgate product in the future; and a 100% chance I will lobby against efforts by any co-workers to do so.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.
Really! I thought he was a Microsoft employee even before he started on reflector.
No, he was hired after Reflector was released. People blogged about it at the time. He did continue releasing new versions of Reflector even after he joined Microsoft though. Until Red Gate acquired it from him.
Regards, Nish
Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com