Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • World
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Code Project
  1. Home
  2. The Lounge
  3. Thanks, Red Gate

Thanks, Red Gate

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved The Lounge
announcement
84 Posts 40 Posters 0 Views 1 Watching
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • L Lost User

    They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

    Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

    R Offline
    R Offline
    realJSOP
    wrote on last edited by
    #16

    Trollslayer wrote:

    They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

    I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.

    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
    -----
    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
    -----
    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

    R T D 3 Replies Last reply
    0
    • P peterchen

      Read the article linked by Pete[^]. What do you expect them to do? get a day job flipping burgers, and hack on Reflector at night? The original Author, Lutz Roeder, already did include the "time bomb" forcing you to update, reserving himself the option to sell the tool one day.

      FILETIME to time_t
      | FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchy

      T Offline
      T Offline
      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
      wrote on last edited by
      #17

      I did read the article, where do you think I got the quote from?

      peterchen wrote:

      What do you expect them to do

      To keep their promises. They didn't have to keep developing the tool. They could have kept the tool static and the new features could have been made as a pay tool.

      peterchen wrote:

      "time bomb" forcing you to update

      The time bomb was there to force you to update so Lutz would only have to support one version. It's Red Gate's spin to say it was put in as an option to sell the tool one day.

      "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"

      P 1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • R realJSOP

        Trollslayer wrote:

        They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

        I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.

        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
        -----
        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
        -----
        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

        R Offline
        R Offline
        rcollina
        wrote on last edited by
        #18

        My thoughts exactly.

        1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • R realJSOP

          Trollslayer wrote:

          They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

          I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.

          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
          -----
          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
          -----
          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

          T Offline
          T Offline
          thoru
          wrote on last edited by
          #19

          So why isn't the community start an open source project and make a better reflector?

          L N D 3 Replies Last reply
          0
          • T thoru

            So why isn't the community start an open source project and make a better reflector?

            L Offline
            L Offline
            Lost User
            wrote on last edited by
            #20

            :thumbsup:

            Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

            1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • T thoru

              So why isn't the community start an open source project and make a better reflector?

              N Offline
              N Offline
              Nish Nishant
              wrote on last edited by
              #21

              Because it's a freaking lot of work! :-) The original author was *that* good. Not surprising that Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.

              Regards, Nish


              Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

              R 1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • R rcollina

                Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

                N Offline
                N Offline
                Nish Nishant
                wrote on last edited by
                #22

                Yeah, and because of the forced upgrades, you cannot continue using the free version either :-(

                Regards, Nish


                Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

                L 1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • R rcollina

                  Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

                  S Offline
                  S Offline
                  Slacker007
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #23

                  95 bucks for the version that really does something the "Pro". Basic is 35 bucks...which means it doesn't do shit. FAIL X 2:thumbsdown:

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • R realJSOP

                    Trollslayer wrote:

                    They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

                    I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.

                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                    -----
                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                    -----
                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

                    D Offline
                    D Offline
                    Dan Neely
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #24

                    For that matter, as an individual user; how hard would it be to reflect Reflector and remove the timebomb from the current free version?

                    3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

                    D V 2 Replies Last reply
                    0
                    • N Nish Nishant

                      Because it's a freaking lot of work! :-) The original author was *that* good. Not surprising that Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.

                      Regards, Nish


                      Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

                      R Offline
                      R Offline
                      Rama Krishna Vavilala
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #25

                      Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                      Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.

                      Really! I thought he was a Microsoft employee even before he started on reflector.

                      N 1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        This[^] article makes for an interesting read.

                        I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

                        D Offline
                        D Offline
                        Dan Neely
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #26

                        They might not have got the halo effect they were hoping for with the free version; but they have gotten a forked tail, pitchfork, and horns effect by pulling the plug on it. There is exactly zero chance I will ever lobby for buying a redgate product in the future; and a 100% chance I will lobby against efforts by any co-workers to do so.

                        3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

                        A F 2 Replies Last reply
                        0
                        • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                          Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.

                          Really! I thought he was a Microsoft employee even before he started on reflector.

                          N Offline
                          N Offline
                          Nish Nishant
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #27

                          No, he was hired after Reflector was released. People blogged about it at the time. He did continue releasing new versions of Reflector even after he joined Microsoft though. Until Red Gate acquired it from him.

                          Regards, Nish


                          Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • N Nish Nishant

                            Yeah, and because of the forced upgrades, you cannot continue using the free version either :-(

                            Regards, Nish


                            Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

                            L Offline
                            L Offline
                            leppie
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #28

                            echo '127.0.0.1 reflector.red-gate.com' >> hosts

                            How naive of you, Nish ;P

                            ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

                            N 1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • L leppie

                              echo '127.0.0.1 reflector.red-gate.com' >> hosts

                              How naive of you, Nish ;P

                              ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

                              N Offline
                              N Offline
                              Nish Nishant
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #29

                              Yeah but then the app won't run. So you'd have to "crack" the app to get around it.

                              Regards, Nish


                              Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

                              L 1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • N Nish Nishant

                                Yeah but then the app won't run. So you'd have to "crack" the app to get around it.

                                Regards, Nish


                                Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

                                L Offline
                                L Offline
                                leppie
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #30

                                What, the current app can't run without internet access? If so, that's daft... There is a 50% chance that any given site will be blocked by our corporate firewall already!

                                ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

                                N 1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • L leppie

                                  What, the current app can't run without internet access? If so, that's daft... There is a 50% chance that any given site will be blocked by our corporate firewall already!

                                  ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

                                  N Offline
                                  N Offline
                                  Nish Nishant
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #31

                                  It needs Internet access once the current version has expired.

                                  Regards, Nish


                                  Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

                                  L 1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • N Nish Nishant

                                    It needs Internet access once the current version has expired.

                                    Regards, Nish


                                    Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

                                    L Offline
                                    L Offline
                                    leppie
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #32

                                    :sigh: Oh well.

                                    ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

                                    N 1 Reply Last reply
                                    0
                                    • L leppie

                                      :sigh: Oh well.

                                      ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

                                      N Offline
                                      N Offline
                                      Nish Nishant
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #33

                                      There's not even one single alternative to Reflector. Software monopolies are bad, even if they are originally free (as we just found out).

                                      Regards, Nish


                                      Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

                                      L 1 Reply Last reply
                                      0
                                      • D Dave Parker

                                        Thanks. Well, could kind of see it coming anyway.

                                        R Offline
                                        R Offline
                                        rcollina
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #34

                                        You're welcome. A shame, really. :(

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        • R rcollina

                                          Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

                                          K Offline
                                          K Offline
                                          Keith Barrow
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #35

                                          Who couldn't see that coming a mile off. I read the e-mail about 20 mins ago, and I'm still p*ssed off, I wouldn't be if this hadn't started off as open source. To rub salt into the wound, the e-mail I received under "Links to More" has the splendidly named link "Free downloads of .NET Reflector.". I hope Redgate sinks.

                                          Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                                          -Or-
                                          A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

                                          P P 2 Replies Last reply
                                          0
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Tags
                                          • Popular
                                          • World
                                          • Users
                                          • Groups