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  • P peterchen

    Read the article linked by Pete[^]. What do you expect them to do? get a day job flipping burgers, and hack on Reflector at night? The original Author, Lutz Roeder, already did include the "time bomb" forcing you to update, reserving himself the option to sell the tool one day.

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    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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    I did read the article, where do you think I got the quote from?

    peterchen wrote:

    What do you expect them to do

    To keep their promises. They didn't have to keep developing the tool. They could have kept the tool static and the new features could have been made as a pay tool.

    peterchen wrote:

    "time bomb" forcing you to update

    The time bomb was there to force you to update so Lutz would only have to support one version. It's Red Gate's spin to say it was put in as an option to sell the tool one day.

    "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"

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    • R realJSOP

      Trollslayer wrote:

      They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

      I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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      rcollina
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      My thoughts exactly.

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      • R realJSOP

        Trollslayer wrote:

        They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

        I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.

        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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        thoru
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        So why isn't the community start an open source project and make a better reflector?

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        • T thoru

          So why isn't the community start an open source project and make a better reflector?

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          Lost User
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          :thumbsup:

          Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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          • T thoru

            So why isn't the community start an open source project and make a better reflector?

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            Nish Nishant
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            #21

            Because it's a freaking lot of work! :-) The original author was *that* good. Not surprising that Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.

            Regards, Nish


            Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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            • R rcollina

              Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

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              Nish Nishant
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              #22

              Yeah, and because of the forced upgrades, you cannot continue using the free version either :-(

              Regards, Nish


              Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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              • R rcollina

                Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

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                Slacker007
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                95 bucks for the version that really does something the "Pro". Basic is 35 bucks...which means it doesn't do shit. FAIL X 2:thumbsdown:

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                • R realJSOP

                  Trollslayer wrote:

                  They have to make a living, what would you sugggest?

                  I'd like to suggest that they continue to make a living off their other over-priced tools and re-reelease Reflector back into the public ads an open-source application.

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                  Dan Neely
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                  For that matter, as an individual user; how hard would it be to reflect Reflector and remove the timebomb from the current free version?

                  3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                    Because it's a freaking lot of work! :-) The original author was *that* good. Not surprising that Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.

                    Regards, Nish


                    Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                    Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                    #25

                    Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                    Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.

                    Really! I thought he was a Microsoft employee even before he started on reflector.

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                    • P Pete OHanlon

                      This[^] article makes for an interesting read.

                      I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

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                      Dan Neely
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                      They might not have got the halo effect they were hoping for with the free version; but they have gotten a forked tail, pitchfork, and horns effect by pulling the plug on it. There is exactly zero chance I will ever lobby for buying a redgate product in the future; and a 100% chance I will lobby against efforts by any co-workers to do so.

                      3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                      • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                        Microsoft jumped at the chance to hire him.

                        Really! I thought he was a Microsoft employee even before he started on reflector.

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                        Nish Nishant
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                        #27

                        No, he was hired after Reflector was released. People blogged about it at the time. He did continue releasing new versions of Reflector even after he joined Microsoft though. Until Red Gate acquired it from him.

                        Regards, Nish


                        Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                          Yeah, and because of the forced upgrades, you cannot continue using the free version either :-(

                          Regards, Nish


                          Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                          leppie
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                          echo '127.0.0.1 reflector.red-gate.com' >> hosts

                          How naive of you, Nish ;P

                          ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                            echo '127.0.0.1 reflector.red-gate.com' >> hosts

                            How naive of you, Nish ;P

                            ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                            Nish Nishant
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                            Yeah but then the app won't run. So you'd have to "crack" the app to get around it.

                            Regards, Nish


                            Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                            • N Nish Nishant

                              Yeah but then the app won't run. So you'd have to "crack" the app to get around it.

                              Regards, Nish


                              Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                              leppie
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                              What, the current app can't run without internet access? If so, that's daft... There is a 50% chance that any given site will be blocked by our corporate firewall already!

                              ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                                What, the current app can't run without internet access? If so, that's daft... There is a 50% chance that any given site will be blocked by our corporate firewall already!

                                ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                                Nish Nishant
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                                #31

                                It needs Internet access once the current version has expired.

                                Regards, Nish


                                Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                                • N Nish Nishant

                                  It needs Internet access once the current version has expired.

                                  Regards, Nish


                                  Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                                  leppie
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                                  :sigh: Oh well.

                                  ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                                  • L leppie

                                    :sigh: Oh well.

                                    ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                                    Nish Nishant
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                                    #33

                                    There's not even one single alternative to Reflector. Software monopolies are bad, even if they are originally free (as we just found out).

                                    Regards, Nish


                                    Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                                    • D Dave Parker

                                      Thanks. Well, could kind of see it coming anyway.

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                                      rcollina
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                                      #34

                                      You're welcome. A shame, really. :(

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                                      • R rcollina

                                        Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|

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                                        Keith Barrow
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                                        Who couldn't see that coming a mile off. I read the e-mail about 20 mins ago, and I'm still p*ssed off, I wouldn't be if this hadn't started off as open source. To rub salt into the wound, the e-mail I received under "Links to More" has the splendidly named link "Free downloads of .NET Reflector.". I hope Redgate sinks.

                                        Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                                        • N Nish Nishant

                                          There's not even one single alternative to Reflector. Software monopolies are bad, even if they are originally free (as we just found out).

                                          Regards, Nish


                                          Latest article: Code Project Posts Analyzer for Windows Phone 7 My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                                          leppie
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                                          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                          There's not even one single alternative to Reflector.

                                          Not for long :) http://twitter.com/#!/jbevain/status/32807256839950337[^]

                                          ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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