EID Greetings to All Muslims
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James T. Johnson wrote: The pagans got to keep their festivals and the Church got more followers Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? :rolleyes: *Paul goes looking for a good source on the links between Christians, Muslims, Zen Buddhists and VBians*
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? If you are a Catholic then naturally you should go to church since it is a day created by the Catholic church. For the rest of us, it is personal. I do not care about it or go to church because it is a Xmas. I welcome the day as another day for fun, but nothing to do with Christianity - in Japan is should rather be a time for boy-girl relations :(( Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Itanium wrote: it is same as Christmas for christians. Apologies for my ignorance but whose birth are you celebrating then? Christmas is the celebration of Jesus' birth.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Let's see if I can get this right.... A month before this celebration, all muslims go on a month long fasting. This is done to feel to suffering and hunger in the world. After that, they celebrate! I'm sure there's much more to it, but I can't really remember :( Notorious SMC
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Shamoon wrote: Have a look here[^] Thanks Shamoon :) I am very thankful I am not part of any religion/cult/belief-system/etc. that enforces fasting. Not sure I could handle it :-D
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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EID Greetings to all muslims from my side. May this eid bring you happiness, pleasures and blessings :-) @!$|-|@
Isn't this to mark the end of Ramadan ? Elaine (fluffy tigress emoticon) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Let's see if I can get this right.... A month before this celebration, all muslims go on a month long fasting. This is done to feel to suffering and hunger in the world. After that, they celebrate! I'm sure there's much more to it, but I can't really remember :( Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
yes right, you have given quite exact explaination of ramazan and EID :-). I must commend it :) @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Itanium wrote: it is same as CHRISMIS for christians. Is it in some way related to Ramadan (hope I spelt that correctly). Also I believe the 6th of December is a special day on the Muslim calender but I don't know what it is. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
Michael Martin wrote: Also I believe the 6th of December is a special day on the Muslim calender Well its a Black Day For Indians as on this Day in year 1991 few Hindu Fundamentalist damaged the Holy Mosque in North India Which fuelled the Riots in India for a months.....:((:(( Indian Politics has still to recover from this Incidence.. cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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James T. Johnson wrote: The pagans got to keep their festivals and the Church got more followers Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? :rolleyes: *Paul goes looking for a good source on the links between Christians, Muslims, Zen Buddhists and VBians*
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul, all "Christian" holidays were established to coincide with European pagan festivals. Christmas and Easter both have roots in pagan Europe. The early church was smart enough to realize that it would be easier to convert the pagans if they didn't try to force them to adapt to an entirely alien religious calender. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Aisha Ikram wrote: EID Greetings Care to explain what EID is all about? Sure I could use Google and get an inpersonal answer, but would like to hear it from you :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Care to explain what EID is all about? Like Christmas for Christians and Hanukah for Jews, Muslims have two major days of celebration, namely the feast of Ramadhan ('EId Al-Fitr) and the Feast of Sacrifice ('Eid Al-Adhha). The word 'Eid is an Arabic name to mean a festivity, a celebration, a recurring happiness, and a feast. The first 'Eid is celebrated by Muslims after fasting the month of Ramadan as a matter of thanks and gratitude to Almighty God. This year, Eid will be celebrated on December 6. The second 'Eid is the Feast of Sacrifice and it is to be celebrated for the memory of prophet Abraham trying to sacrifice his son Ishmael. This 'Eid lasts four days between the tenth and the thirteenth day of Zul-Hijjah, the twelfth month of the lunar calendar. // Fazlul
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EID Greetings to all muslims from my side. May this eid bring you happiness, pleasures and blessings :-) @!$|-|@
Aisha Ikram wrote: May this eid bring you happiness, pleasures and blessings Same for you. Eid Mubarak.
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James T. Johnson wrote: The pagans got to keep their festivals and the Church got more followers Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? :rolleyes: *Paul goes looking for a good source on the links between Christians, Muslims, Zen Buddhists and VBians*
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? Christmas is a celebration of Jesus' birth. Just because it was set up to match what had been a pagen celebration does not change that. If you choose to not celebrate Christmas fine. But go call your celebration something else. I will celebrate Jesus' birth. I also believe if religious freedom (skip multi page explaination.) So it is not my right to dictate my belief's on others. And the world will be much better off if we share and understand each other. Given this I will wish this years EID to our Muslim CPians be good to them and hope that it allows us all to be more understanding. "I will find a new sig someday."
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Michael Martin wrote: Also I believe the 6th of December is a special day on the Muslim calender Well its a Black Day For Indians as on this Day in year 1991 few Hindu Fundamentalist damaged the Holy Mosque in North India Which fuelled the Riots in India for a months.....:((:(( Indian Politics has still to recover from this Incidence.. cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
super wrote: Indian Politics has still to recover from this Incidence.. I would say, Indian politicians still ride on that wave :-( Cheers Kannan
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James T. Johnson wrote: The pagans got to keep their festivals and the Church got more followers Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? :rolleyes: *Paul goes looking for a good source on the links between Christians, Muslims, Zen Buddhists and VBians*
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? You get roped into going to church because they are misguided. It Christians where intended to celebrate Jesus' birthday, it would say so in the bible. Instead, we are to remember his death every first day of the week when we partake in the Lord's Supper. Christmas didn't originate in Christianity, it started when the Catholic Church tried to convert some party lovin' pagans like James said. Christmas is a shortened form of Christ's Mass (Mass, another invention of the Catholic church completely unknown in the Bible). Christmas is fine if you take the "Christ" out of Christmas. I celebrate it as a day for family and giving gifts, not as the birth of Christ. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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Itanium wrote: it is same as Christmas for christians. Apologies for my ignorance but whose birth are you celebrating then? Christmas is the celebration of Jesus' birth.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
I think the Jewish "Feast of Dedication" (Hannakah today) was around this time. Who knows when Christ was really born.
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Paul Watson wrote: Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? You get roped into going to church because they are misguided. It Christians where intended to celebrate Jesus' birthday, it would say so in the bible. Instead, we are to remember his death every first day of the week when we partake in the Lord's Supper. Christmas didn't originate in Christianity, it started when the Catholic Church tried to convert some party lovin' pagans like James said. Christmas is a shortened form of Christ's Mass (Mass, another invention of the Catholic church completely unknown in the Bible). Christmas is fine if you take the "Christ" out of Christmas. I celebrate it as a day for family and giving gifts, not as the birth of Christ. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Jason Gerard wrote: You get roped into going to church because they are misguided... Well all of what you said is pretty much why I don't buy into all this Church going, Bible reading, good little Pop Culture Christian scene. Most of it is constructed by humans simply for control and power gain with little or no relevance to what it is all actually about. Thanks for the info :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Jason Gerard wrote: You get roped into going to church because they are misguided... Well all of what you said is pretty much why I don't buy into all this Church going, Bible reading, good little Pop Culture Christian scene. Most of it is constructed by humans simply for control and power gain with little or no relevance to what it is all actually about. Thanks for the info :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Well all of what you said is pretty much why I don't buy into all this Church going, Bible reading, good little Pop Culture Christian scene. Most of it is constructed by humans simply for control and power gain with little or no relevance to what it is all actually about. Yes, in the past Christians where persecuted and killed for professing their faith. Today, Christianity has become some what of the "in" thing. This is unfortunate actually b/c these people are doing it for the popularity, or the friends they'll make, not in service to God. But their are people and congregations who are in it for what it's all about. Don't give up on it because of the actions of others. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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James T. Johnson wrote: The pagans got to keep their festivals and the Church got more followers Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? :rolleyes: *Paul goes looking for a good source on the links between Christians, Muslims, Zen Buddhists and VBians*
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Because then you get to lauch and throw fruit at other people's children without being arrested? :~
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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Paul Watson wrote: Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? You get roped into going to church because they are misguided. It Christians where intended to celebrate Jesus' birthday, it would say so in the bible. Instead, we are to remember his death every first day of the week when we partake in the Lord's Supper. Christmas didn't originate in Christianity, it started when the Catholic Church tried to convert some party lovin' pagans like James said. Christmas is a shortened form of Christ's Mass (Mass, another invention of the Catholic church completely unknown in the Bible). Christmas is fine if you take the "Christ" out of Christmas. I celebrate it as a day for family and giving gifts, not as the birth of Christ. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Jason Gerard wrote: I celebrate it as a day for family Spot on.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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Paul Watson wrote: Well all of what you said is pretty much why I don't buy into all this Church going, Bible reading, good little Pop Culture Christian scene. Most of it is constructed by humans simply for control and power gain with little or no relevance to what it is all actually about. Yes, in the past Christians where persecuted and killed for professing their faith. Today, Christianity has become some what of the "in" thing. This is unfortunate actually b/c these people are doing it for the popularity, or the friends they'll make, not in service to God. But their are people and congregations who are in it for what it's all about. Don't give up on it because of the actions of others. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Jason Gerard wrote: Don't give up on it because of the actions of others. Agreed, Just because some (many? most?) are only in to being part of a social club does not force you to not be into it for the right reasons. "I will find a new sig someday."
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Paul Watson wrote: Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? Christmas is a celebration of Jesus' birth. Just because it was set up to match what had been a pagen celebration does not change that. If you choose to not celebrate Christmas fine. But go call your celebration something else. I will celebrate Jesus' birth. I also believe if religious freedom (skip multi page explaination.) So it is not my right to dictate my belief's on others. And the world will be much better off if we share and understand each other. Given this I will wish this years EID to our Muslim CPians be good to them and hope that it allows us all to be more understanding. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Given this I will wish this years EID to our Muslim CPians be good to them and hope that it allows us all to be more understanding. Thank you Michael, so nice of you :-). I am sure if all of us try to be understanding, we can all come closer to each other and be united. @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Paul Watson wrote: Care to explain what EID is all about? Like Christmas for Christians and Hanukah for Jews, Muslims have two major days of celebration, namely the feast of Ramadhan ('EId Al-Fitr) and the Feast of Sacrifice ('Eid Al-Adhha). The word 'Eid is an Arabic name to mean a festivity, a celebration, a recurring happiness, and a feast. The first 'Eid is celebrated by Muslims after fasting the month of Ramadan as a matter of thanks and gratitude to Almighty God. This year, Eid will be celebrated on December 6. The second 'Eid is the Feast of Sacrifice and it is to be celebrated for the memory of prophet Abraham trying to sacrifice his son Ishmael. This 'Eid lasts four days between the tenth and the thirteenth day of Zul-Hijjah, the twelfth month of the lunar calendar. // Fazlul
very good explanation :) @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?