EID Greetings to All Muslims
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James T. Johnson wrote: The pagans got to keep their festivals and the Church got more followers Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? :rolleyes: *Paul goes looking for a good source on the links between Christians, Muslims, Zen Buddhists and VBians*
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? Christmas is a celebration of Jesus' birth. Just because it was set up to match what had been a pagen celebration does not change that. If you choose to not celebrate Christmas fine. But go call your celebration something else. I will celebrate Jesus' birth. I also believe if religious freedom (skip multi page explaination.) So it is not my right to dictate my belief's on others. And the world will be much better off if we share and understand each other. Given this I will wish this years EID to our Muslim CPians be good to them and hope that it allows us all to be more understanding. "I will find a new sig someday."
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Michael Martin wrote: Also I believe the 6th of December is a special day on the Muslim calender Well its a Black Day For Indians as on this Day in year 1991 few Hindu Fundamentalist damaged the Holy Mosque in North India Which fuelled the Riots in India for a months.....:((:(( Indian Politics has still to recover from this Incidence.. cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
super wrote: Indian Politics has still to recover from this Incidence.. I would say, Indian politicians still ride on that wave :-( Cheers Kannan
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James T. Johnson wrote: The pagans got to keep their festivals and the Church got more followers Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? :rolleyes: *Paul goes looking for a good source on the links between Christians, Muslims, Zen Buddhists and VBians*
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? You get roped into going to church because they are misguided. It Christians where intended to celebrate Jesus' birthday, it would say so in the bible. Instead, we are to remember his death every first day of the week when we partake in the Lord's Supper. Christmas didn't originate in Christianity, it started when the Catholic Church tried to convert some party lovin' pagans like James said. Christmas is a shortened form of Christ's Mass (Mass, another invention of the Catholic church completely unknown in the Bible). Christmas is fine if you take the "Christ" out of Christmas. I celebrate it as a day for family and giving gifts, not as the birth of Christ. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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Itanium wrote: it is same as Christmas for christians. Apologies for my ignorance but whose birth are you celebrating then? Christmas is the celebration of Jesus' birth.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
I think the Jewish "Feast of Dedication" (Hannakah today) was around this time. Who knows when Christ was really born.
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Paul Watson wrote: Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? You get roped into going to church because they are misguided. It Christians where intended to celebrate Jesus' birthday, it would say so in the bible. Instead, we are to remember his death every first day of the week when we partake in the Lord's Supper. Christmas didn't originate in Christianity, it started when the Catholic Church tried to convert some party lovin' pagans like James said. Christmas is a shortened form of Christ's Mass (Mass, another invention of the Catholic church completely unknown in the Bible). Christmas is fine if you take the "Christ" out of Christmas. I celebrate it as a day for family and giving gifts, not as the birth of Christ. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Jason Gerard wrote: You get roped into going to church because they are misguided... Well all of what you said is pretty much why I don't buy into all this Church going, Bible reading, good little Pop Culture Christian scene. Most of it is constructed by humans simply for control and power gain with little or no relevance to what it is all actually about. Thanks for the info :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Jason Gerard wrote: You get roped into going to church because they are misguided... Well all of what you said is pretty much why I don't buy into all this Church going, Bible reading, good little Pop Culture Christian scene. Most of it is constructed by humans simply for control and power gain with little or no relevance to what it is all actually about. Thanks for the info :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Well all of what you said is pretty much why I don't buy into all this Church going, Bible reading, good little Pop Culture Christian scene. Most of it is constructed by humans simply for control and power gain with little or no relevance to what it is all actually about. Yes, in the past Christians where persecuted and killed for professing their faith. Today, Christianity has become some what of the "in" thing. This is unfortunate actually b/c these people are doing it for the popularity, or the friends they'll make, not in service to God. But their are people and congregations who are in it for what it's all about. Don't give up on it because of the actions of others. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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James T. Johnson wrote: The pagans got to keep their festivals and the Church got more followers Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? :rolleyes: *Paul goes looking for a good source on the links between Christians, Muslims, Zen Buddhists and VBians*
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Because then you get to lauch and throw fruit at other people's children without being arrested? :~
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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Paul Watson wrote: Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? You get roped into going to church because they are misguided. It Christians where intended to celebrate Jesus' birthday, it would say so in the bible. Instead, we are to remember his death every first day of the week when we partake in the Lord's Supper. Christmas didn't originate in Christianity, it started when the Catholic Church tried to convert some party lovin' pagans like James said. Christmas is a shortened form of Christ's Mass (Mass, another invention of the Catholic church completely unknown in the Bible). Christmas is fine if you take the "Christ" out of Christmas. I celebrate it as a day for family and giving gifts, not as the birth of Christ. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Jason Gerard wrote: I celebrate it as a day for family Spot on.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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Paul Watson wrote: Well all of what you said is pretty much why I don't buy into all this Church going, Bible reading, good little Pop Culture Christian scene. Most of it is constructed by humans simply for control and power gain with little or no relevance to what it is all actually about. Yes, in the past Christians where persecuted and killed for professing their faith. Today, Christianity has become some what of the "in" thing. This is unfortunate actually b/c these people are doing it for the popularity, or the friends they'll make, not in service to God. But their are people and congregations who are in it for what it's all about. Don't give up on it because of the actions of others. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Jason Gerard wrote: Don't give up on it because of the actions of others. Agreed, Just because some (many? most?) are only in to being part of a social club does not force you to not be into it for the right reasons. "I will find a new sig someday."
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Paul Watson wrote: Well if Christmas is not the celebration of Jesus' birth then why the hell do I get ropped into going to church on Christmas day and seeing the nativity scene hmmm? Christmas is a celebration of Jesus' birth. Just because it was set up to match what had been a pagen celebration does not change that. If you choose to not celebrate Christmas fine. But go call your celebration something else. I will celebrate Jesus' birth. I also believe if religious freedom (skip multi page explaination.) So it is not my right to dictate my belief's on others. And the world will be much better off if we share and understand each other. Given this I will wish this years EID to our Muslim CPians be good to them and hope that it allows us all to be more understanding. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Given this I will wish this years EID to our Muslim CPians be good to them and hope that it allows us all to be more understanding. Thank you Michael, so nice of you :-). I am sure if all of us try to be understanding, we can all come closer to each other and be united. @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Paul Watson wrote: Care to explain what EID is all about? Like Christmas for Christians and Hanukah for Jews, Muslims have two major days of celebration, namely the feast of Ramadhan ('EId Al-Fitr) and the Feast of Sacrifice ('Eid Al-Adhha). The word 'Eid is an Arabic name to mean a festivity, a celebration, a recurring happiness, and a feast. The first 'Eid is celebrated by Muslims after fasting the month of Ramadan as a matter of thanks and gratitude to Almighty God. This year, Eid will be celebrated on December 6. The second 'Eid is the Feast of Sacrifice and it is to be celebrated for the memory of prophet Abraham trying to sacrifice his son Ishmael. This 'Eid lasts four days between the tenth and the thirteenth day of Zul-Hijjah, the twelfth month of the lunar calendar. // Fazlul
very good explanation :) @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Shamoon wrote: Have a look here[^] Thanks Shamoon :) I am very thankful I am not part of any religion/cult/belief-system/etc. that enforces fasting. Not sure I could handle it :-D
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
so you don't fast? i think christians and jews both do fasting?? Paul Watson wrote: I am very thankful I am not part of any religion/cult/belief-system/etc. that enforces fasting. Not sure I could handle i well if you were the part of such a religion/cult/belief-system/etc, i am sure you too could handle it. I think fasting is very good practice which teaches us patience and controlling our selves. @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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so you don't fast? i think christians and jews both do fasting?? Paul Watson wrote: I am very thankful I am not part of any religion/cult/belief-system/etc. that enforces fasting. Not sure I could handle i well if you were the part of such a religion/cult/belief-system/etc, i am sure you too could handle it. I think fasting is very good practice which teaches us patience and controlling our selves. @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Aisha Ikram wrote: so you don't fast? i think christians and jews both do fasting?? I am neither a Christian nor a Jew. Aisha Ikram wrote: I think fasting is very good practice which teaches us patience and controlling our selves. Had a friend back in school who was a Muslim and every year he would do this fasting effort. It never taught him anything but resentment for his religion and parents for being forced to do something he saw no point. I personally would not learn anything from fasting, other than How To Stuff My Face Once The Sun Has Set. I think there are far better ways of teaching patience and control. But hey, whatever works for you :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Aisha Ikram wrote: so you don't fast? i think christians and jews both do fasting?? I am neither a Christian nor a Jew. Aisha Ikram wrote: I think fasting is very good practice which teaches us patience and controlling our selves. Had a friend back in school who was a Muslim and every year he would do this fasting effort. It never taught him anything but resentment for his religion and parents for being forced to do something he saw no point. I personally would not learn anything from fasting, other than How To Stuff My Face Once The Sun Has Set. I think there are far better ways of teaching patience and control. But hey, whatever works for you :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: I am neither a Christian nor a Jew Then?? Paul Watson wrote: I personally would not learn anything from fasting, other than How To Stuff My Face Once The Sun Has Set. I think there are far better ways of teaching patience and control. But hey, whatever works for you :-) right. you see, we people don't learn from anything, not from our society, not from the suffering, killings, pains.... we have made our own rules of life, those which suits us well. And we never try to understand, don't even try to distinguish what is good and what is bad for us. At least at times i think, what we are made for?? Ok you tell me what you say about it. what's our purpose? everybody comes and goes, what's this world? what are we??? sorry if i am bothering you :-O @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Paul Watson wrote: I am neither a Christian nor a Jew Then?? Paul Watson wrote: I personally would not learn anything from fasting, other than How To Stuff My Face Once The Sun Has Set. I think there are far better ways of teaching patience and control. But hey, whatever works for you :-) right. you see, we people don't learn from anything, not from our society, not from the suffering, killings, pains.... we have made our own rules of life, those which suits us well. And we never try to understand, don't even try to distinguish what is good and what is bad for us. At least at times i think, what we are made for?? Ok you tell me what you say about it. what's our purpose? everybody comes and goes, what's this world? what are we??? sorry if i am bothering you :-O @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Aisha Ikram wrote: Then?? I am not a follower of any organised/mass religion. I am still too young to be able to give you a standard answer to this. Many things I am still thinking about, many things I have yet to even start thinking about. I have much life left to live before I can claim any religion or belief system as my own. Right now I believe in the universe and that that is all there is, which in itself is a lot. No being which stands outside of the universe and looks down on us. Aisha Ikram wrote: what's our purpose? everybody comes and goes, what's this world? what are we??? There is no higher purpose. There is no end game or God defined reason for living. For many years I felt that we HAD to have a higher purpose to make life worth living, that without a higher purpose there was no point. Now however I believe that we make our own purpose. That only we can judge whether our lives are worthwhile and purposeful. You, Chris, Bush, whoever has no stake giving them any right to say whether my life was a waste, just as I have no right to yours. Sounds trite but the age old "Be true to yourself" saying is the right way IMO. So basically I do not need anyone or any-deity telling me what my purpose in life is. That comes from within, so does the score card at the end of it. What are we? We are animals on a ball of rock orbiting a star in the Milky Way galaxy. We are no different, in the sense of being special or Gods children, to the other billions of planets and life forms out there. We are made up of flesh and blood, bound together by atomic forces and driven by electro-chemical reactions. People put a lot of significance into the soul and a higher state than synapses in our fleshy brains. I think they are running from what they see as a terrifying truth, that we are just atoms, nothing more, nothing less. I think it is incredible that we are what we are and wish others would see the beauty of it instead of hunting for alternatives they can proclaim as Gods fingerprints, as Gods chosen ones. We are children of the universe, products of the stars. Nobody but us can save us, nobody but us can progress us. We are what we do and think. And you did not bother me at all :) Ask anyone here, I love talking about stuff like this :-D
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Then?? I am not a follower of any organised/mass religion. I am still too young to be able to give you a standard answer to this. Many things I am still thinking about, many things I have yet to even start thinking about. I have much life left to live before I can claim any religion or belief system as my own. Right now I believe in the universe and that that is all there is, which in itself is a lot. No being which stands outside of the universe and looks down on us. Aisha Ikram wrote: what's our purpose? everybody comes and goes, what's this world? what are we??? There is no higher purpose. There is no end game or God defined reason for living. For many years I felt that we HAD to have a higher purpose to make life worth living, that without a higher purpose there was no point. Now however I believe that we make our own purpose. That only we can judge whether our lives are worthwhile and purposeful. You, Chris, Bush, whoever has no stake giving them any right to say whether my life was a waste, just as I have no right to yours. Sounds trite but the age old "Be true to yourself" saying is the right way IMO. So basically I do not need anyone or any-deity telling me what my purpose in life is. That comes from within, so does the score card at the end of it. What are we? We are animals on a ball of rock orbiting a star in the Milky Way galaxy. We are no different, in the sense of being special or Gods children, to the other billions of planets and life forms out there. We are made up of flesh and blood, bound together by atomic forces and driven by electro-chemical reactions. People put a lot of significance into the soul and a higher state than synapses in our fleshy brains. I think they are running from what they see as a terrifying truth, that we are just atoms, nothing more, nothing less. I think it is incredible that we are what we are and wish others would see the beauty of it instead of hunting for alternatives they can proclaim as Gods fingerprints, as Gods chosen ones. We are children of the universe, products of the stars. Nobody but us can save us, nobody but us can progress us. We are what we do and think. And you did not bother me at all :) Ask anyone here, I love talking about stuff like this :-D
ok let me start another thread so that other can participate as well. i wanted to discuss this topic with other people for a long time. @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Then?? I am not a follower of any organised/mass religion. I am still too young to be able to give you a standard answer to this. Many things I am still thinking about, many things I have yet to even start thinking about. I have much life left to live before I can claim any religion or belief system as my own. Right now I believe in the universe and that that is all there is, which in itself is a lot. No being which stands outside of the universe and looks down on us. Aisha Ikram wrote: what's our purpose? everybody comes and goes, what's this world? what are we??? There is no higher purpose. There is no end game or God defined reason for living. For many years I felt that we HAD to have a higher purpose to make life worth living, that without a higher purpose there was no point. Now however I believe that we make our own purpose. That only we can judge whether our lives are worthwhile and purposeful. You, Chris, Bush, whoever has no stake giving them any right to say whether my life was a waste, just as I have no right to yours. Sounds trite but the age old "Be true to yourself" saying is the right way IMO. So basically I do not need anyone or any-deity telling me what my purpose in life is. That comes from within, so does the score card at the end of it. What are we? We are animals on a ball of rock orbiting a star in the Milky Way galaxy. We are no different, in the sense of being special or Gods children, to the other billions of planets and life forms out there. We are made up of flesh and blood, bound together by atomic forces and driven by electro-chemical reactions. People put a lot of significance into the soul and a higher state than synapses in our fleshy brains. I think they are running from what they see as a terrifying truth, that we are just atoms, nothing more, nothing less. I think it is incredible that we are what we are and wish others would see the beauty of it instead of hunting for alternatives they can proclaim as Gods fingerprints, as Gods chosen ones. We are children of the universe, products of the stars. Nobody but us can save us, nobody but us can progress us. We are what we do and think. And you did not bother me at all :) Ask anyone here, I love talking about stuff like this :-D
you didn't respond for my other thread, i have posted my comments in reply to yours. @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?