You gotta love the IT guys [modified]
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Clearly you haven't walked in a IT guy shoes. I use to be one. Here's the catch: You give a user some extra rights, and then he abuses them. He installs non standard or even worse craked software. And it won't be the user head at stake in case of something bad. Not to mention viruses and stuff. You give someone admin rights or give them a localadmin user, he goes home with the laptop, installs god knows what, f...s up the system and comes back to work, and plugs in the pc in the enterprise network. Sure developers are not the usual users but still. It's not that they don't trust or wan't to give you the rights just that it's dangerous for them. As for retarded... it depends. Some of them could be. Some could be really smart. I'm talking in general. Not about your or mine particular situation(s).
All the best, Dan
I have full complete admin rights to my dev box. Have had it for years with no probs. I don't need to walk in their shoes to understand what they do for a living. I work with the same stupid users they do.
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I have full complete admin rights to my dev box. Have had it for years with no probs. I don't need to walk in their shoes to understand what they do for a living. I work with the same stupid users they do.
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As I said below I used to be one. When I played monkey business I didn't do it on the enterprise network. On a separte connection and on a virtual pc. :)
All the best, Dan
MDL=>Moshu wrote:
When I played monkey business I didn't do it on the enterprise network.
Believe me when I tell you that you are an exception to the rule then...at least where I work.
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MDL=>Moshu wrote:
When I played monkey business I didn't do it on the enterprise network.
Believe me when I tell you that you are an exception to the rule then...at least where I work.
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They just hate us software guys (at least the ones that work where I work)...it's in their blood to hate us at all costs. In my world I can't work without them and they wouldn't have a job without me. Why am I and the rest of the dev teams the only one (it seems) that can see the relationship and its benefits? I have to beg and grovel every time I need to do anything on a user's PC that is not mine. Usually it has something to do with Admin rights and why I need temporary elevated privileges. I work with these guys every f'n day and have been dealing with them for years and they still look at me like I'm from outer space. I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded but I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. Can't we all just get along? ;)
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IT guys are often complete pricks, obsessed with their power, and thinking they are special because they can configure a DC or exchange server. Fact is, as a programmer, I have had to do so much sysadmin, just to build test environments and stuff, that I have no respect for their feeble egos at all. Especially since I am a windows kernel developer and thus rank above everyone in the IT game! ;)
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Former IPCC Lead Author "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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IT guys are often complete pricks, obsessed with their power, and thinking they are special because they can configure a DC or exchange server. Fact is, as a programmer, I have had to do so much sysadmin, just to build test environments and stuff, that I have no respect for their feeble egos at all. Especially since I am a windows kernel developer and thus rank above everyone in the IT game! ;)
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Former IPCC Lead Author "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
fat_boy wrote:
Especially since I am a windows kernel developer and thus rank above everyone in the IT game!
Maybe I should be a windows kernel developer when I grow up.
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IT guys are often complete pricks, obsessed with their power, and thinking they are special because they can configure a DC or exchange server. Fact is, as a programmer, I have had to do so much sysadmin, just to build test environments and stuff, that I have no respect for their feeble egos at all. Especially since I am a windows kernel developer and thus rank above everyone in the IT game! ;)
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Former IPCC Lead Author "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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They just hate us software guys (at least the ones that work where I work)...it's in their blood to hate us at all costs. In my world I can't work without them and they wouldn't have a job without me. Why am I and the rest of the dev teams the only one (it seems) that can see the relationship and its benefits? I have to beg and grovel every time I need to do anything on a user's PC that is not mine. Usually it has something to do with Admin rights and why I need temporary elevated privileges. I work with these guys every f'n day and have been dealing with them for years and they still look at me like I'm from outer space. I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded but I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. Can't we all just get along? ;)
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Slacker007 wrote:
I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded
If it happens that they read the Lounge... then you are in trouble for the next "begging action"... :laugh: Anyway, feel your pain...
[www.tamelectromecanica.com] Robots, CNC and PLC machines for grinding and polishing.
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They just hate us software guys (at least the ones that work where I work)...it's in their blood to hate us at all costs. In my world I can't work without them and they wouldn't have a job without me. Why am I and the rest of the dev teams the only one (it seems) that can see the relationship and its benefits? I have to beg and grovel every time I need to do anything on a user's PC that is not mine. Usually it has something to do with Admin rights and why I need temporary elevated privileges. I work with these guys every f'n day and have been dealing with them for years and they still look at me like I'm from outer space. I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded but I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. Can't we all just get along? ;)
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Sounds like you work for the USAF. LOL Our jobs require us to have admin rights, but we have a special admin account for that. Our normal account is non-elevated like everyone else's. We had to obtain a Security+ certification in order to get an admin account.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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He obeys me.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Slacker007 wrote:
I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded
If it happens that they read the Lounge... then you are in trouble for the next "begging action"... :laugh: Anyway, feel your pain...
[www.tamelectromecanica.com] Robots, CNC and PLC machines for grinding and polishing.
Joan Murt wrote:
then you are in trouble for the next "begging action"
I was born in trouble and I think I will die in trouble. ;)
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Sounds like you work for the USAF. LOL Our jobs require us to have admin rights, but we have a special admin account for that. Our normal account is non-elevated like everyone else's. We had to obtain a Security+ certification in order to get an admin account.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Do they put key-loggers on your computers where you work?
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Do they put key-loggers on your computers where you work?
No, but we can't use any removable storage devices, and there's no wireless.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
No, but we can't use any removable storage devices, and there's no wireless.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
No, but we can't use any removable storage devices, and there's no wireless.
We can't use removable storage devices either but we do have wireless. People make such a fuss about sensitive data. :)
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They just hate us software guys (at least the ones that work where I work)...it's in their blood to hate us at all costs. In my world I can't work without them and they wouldn't have a job without me. Why am I and the rest of the dev teams the only one (it seems) that can see the relationship and its benefits? I have to beg and grovel every time I need to do anything on a user's PC that is not mine. Usually it has something to do with Admin rights and why I need temporary elevated privileges. I work with these guys every f'n day and have been dealing with them for years and they still look at me like I'm from outer space. I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded but I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. Can't we all just get along? ;)
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No, but we can't use any removable storage devices, and there's no wireless.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Used to LOVE no removable storage. Makes installing things SO much fun. Nothing like loading a server by mapping to a DVD on some other machine way the hell over there...espeically when you have to change discs every so often. When I left, and had to save off my PSTs and files and such, I said screw 'em, and attached a Firewire drive to a laptop, the laptop to the network, and mapped to my old PC. That'll teach 'em to disable USBs.
There is water at the bottom of the ocean. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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Sounds like you work for the USAF. LOL Our jobs require us to have admin rights, but we have a special admin account for that. Our normal account is non-elevated like everyone else's. We had to obtain a Security+ certification in order to get an admin account.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Probably DoD wide. Admin accounts being used only for admin actions is one of the 'fun' things we're gifted with on secure systems via dss/the nispom/etc. On the other hand only the admin has access to that account; devs need not apply, just call his desk number when something needs done. On the gripping hand, if you write you app so it can use an xcopy install and run out of a user folder instead of needing MSI and program files you're home free for testing purposes. :cool:
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Probably DoD wide. Admin accounts being used only for admin actions is one of the 'fun' things we're gifted with on secure systems via dss/the nispom/etc. On the other hand only the admin has access to that account; devs need not apply, just call his desk number when something needs done. On the gripping hand, if you write you app so it can use an xcopy install and run out of a user folder instead of needing MSI and program files you're home free for testing purposes. :cool:
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Yeah, but you enter directly to hell if you need to write a Windows service.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Yeah, but you enter directly to hell if you need to write a Windows service.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I can imagine. Never did that directly, but I used COM to proof of concept a performance speedup in an Excel VBA app; ultimately it was a moot point since we ended up rewriting the entire app in C#. PS did you know that with the same algorithm (excluding the refactoring to replace a ~1000 goto infested function from hell with about 20 sane sized ones) that COM + C# can run about 1000 times faster than VBA, and that sucking the data out of the spreadsheet and stuffing it into COM using VBA will take longer than the actual calculation in C#?
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