You gotta love the IT guys [modified]
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IT guys are often complete pricks, obsessed with their power, and thinking they are special because they can configure a DC or exchange server. Fact is, as a programmer, I have had to do so much sysadmin, just to build test environments and stuff, that I have no respect for their feeble egos at all. Especially since I am a windows kernel developer and thus rank above everyone in the IT game! ;)
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Former IPCC Lead Author "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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They just hate us software guys (at least the ones that work where I work)...it's in their blood to hate us at all costs. In my world I can't work without them and they wouldn't have a job without me. Why am I and the rest of the dev teams the only one (it seems) that can see the relationship and its benefits? I have to beg and grovel every time I need to do anything on a user's PC that is not mine. Usually it has something to do with Admin rights and why I need temporary elevated privileges. I work with these guys every f'n day and have been dealing with them for years and they still look at me like I'm from outer space. I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded but I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. Can't we all just get along? ;)
modified on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:02 PM
Slacker007 wrote:
I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded
If it happens that they read the Lounge... then you are in trouble for the next "begging action"... :laugh: Anyway, feel your pain...
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They just hate us software guys (at least the ones that work where I work)...it's in their blood to hate us at all costs. In my world I can't work without them and they wouldn't have a job without me. Why am I and the rest of the dev teams the only one (it seems) that can see the relationship and its benefits? I have to beg and grovel every time I need to do anything on a user's PC that is not mine. Usually it has something to do with Admin rights and why I need temporary elevated privileges. I work with these guys every f'n day and have been dealing with them for years and they still look at me like I'm from outer space. I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded but I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. Can't we all just get along? ;)
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Sounds like you work for the USAF. LOL Our jobs require us to have admin rights, but we have a special admin account for that. Our normal account is non-elevated like everyone else's. We had to obtain a Security+ certification in order to get an admin account.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
He obeys me.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Slacker007 wrote:
I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded
If it happens that they read the Lounge... then you are in trouble for the next "begging action"... :laugh: Anyway, feel your pain...
[www.tamelectromecanica.com] Robots, CNC and PLC machines for grinding and polishing.
Joan Murt wrote:
then you are in trouble for the next "begging action"
I was born in trouble and I think I will die in trouble. ;)
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Sounds like you work for the USAF. LOL Our jobs require us to have admin rights, but we have a special admin account for that. Our normal account is non-elevated like everyone else's. We had to obtain a Security+ certification in order to get an admin account.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Do they put key-loggers on your computers where you work?
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Do they put key-loggers on your computers where you work?
No, but we can't use any removable storage devices, and there's no wireless.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
No, but we can't use any removable storage devices, and there's no wireless.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
No, but we can't use any removable storage devices, and there's no wireless.
We can't use removable storage devices either but we do have wireless. People make such a fuss about sensitive data. :)
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They just hate us software guys (at least the ones that work where I work)...it's in their blood to hate us at all costs. In my world I can't work without them and they wouldn't have a job without me. Why am I and the rest of the dev teams the only one (it seems) that can see the relationship and its benefits? I have to beg and grovel every time I need to do anything on a user's PC that is not mine. Usually it has something to do with Admin rights and why I need temporary elevated privileges. I work with these guys every f'n day and have been dealing with them for years and they still look at me like I'm from outer space. I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded but I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. Can't we all just get along? ;)
modified on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:02 PM
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No, but we can't use any removable storage devices, and there's no wireless.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Used to LOVE no removable storage. Makes installing things SO much fun. Nothing like loading a server by mapping to a DVD on some other machine way the hell over there...espeically when you have to change discs every so often. When I left, and had to save off my PSTs and files and such, I said screw 'em, and attached a Firewire drive to a laptop, the laptop to the network, and mapped to my old PC. That'll teach 'em to disable USBs.
There is water at the bottom of the ocean. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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Sounds like you work for the USAF. LOL Our jobs require us to have admin rights, but we have a special admin account for that. Our normal account is non-elevated like everyone else's. We had to obtain a Security+ certification in order to get an admin account.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Probably DoD wide. Admin accounts being used only for admin actions is one of the 'fun' things we're gifted with on secure systems via dss/the nispom/etc. On the other hand only the admin has access to that account; devs need not apply, just call his desk number when something needs done. On the gripping hand, if you write you app so it can use an xcopy install and run out of a user folder instead of needing MSI and program files you're home free for testing purposes. :cool:
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Probably DoD wide. Admin accounts being used only for admin actions is one of the 'fun' things we're gifted with on secure systems via dss/the nispom/etc. On the other hand only the admin has access to that account; devs need not apply, just call his desk number when something needs done. On the gripping hand, if you write you app so it can use an xcopy install and run out of a user folder instead of needing MSI and program files you're home free for testing purposes. :cool:
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
Yeah, but you enter directly to hell if you need to write a Windows service.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Yeah, but you enter directly to hell if you need to write a Windows service.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I can imagine. Never did that directly, but I used COM to proof of concept a performance speedup in an Excel VBA app; ultimately it was a moot point since we ended up rewriting the entire app in C#. PS did you know that with the same algorithm (excluding the refactoring to replace a ~1000 goto infested function from hell with about 20 sane sized ones) that COM + C# can run about 1000 times faster than VBA, and that sucking the data out of the spreadsheet and stuffing it into COM using VBA will take longer than the actual calculation in C#?
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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They just hate us software guys (at least the ones that work where I work)...it's in their blood to hate us at all costs. In my world I can't work without them and they wouldn't have a job without me. Why am I and the rest of the dev teams the only one (it seems) that can see the relationship and its benefits? I have to beg and grovel every time I need to do anything on a user's PC that is not mine. Usually it has something to do with Admin rights and why I need temporary elevated privileges. I work with these guys every f'n day and have been dealing with them for years and they still look at me like I'm from outer space. I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded but I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. Can't we all just get along? ;)
modified on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:02 PM
I see you already got 4 fives. Good for you. But I don't think you and you voters have it entirely right. Sometimes you could get that behaviour because of a lack of people skills. Piss them off and they will turn against you. I am a developer too but I know a few of my compadres being so smug that even I wouldn't help them. There is a tendency on each side to believe that they are the elite. Plus let's not forget that even the developers have their retards. You are right though we should all get along, along with a long metal pipe to crush the... ;P , kidding. See what I did there with "along". :-D
giuchici
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fat_boy wrote:
Especially since I am a windows kernel developer and thus rank above everyone in the IT game!
Maybe I should be a windows kernel developer when I grow up.
I havent grown up yet and I managed it. :)
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Former IPCC Lead Author "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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"wag your tail!" See, he obeyed... ;)
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Former IPCC Lead Author "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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I see you already got 4 fives. Good for you. But I don't think you and you voters have it entirely right. Sometimes you could get that behaviour because of a lack of people skills. Piss them off and they will turn against you. I am a developer too but I know a few of my compadres being so smug that even I wouldn't help them. There is a tendency on each side to believe that they are the elite. Plus let's not forget that even the developers have their retards. You are right though we should all get along, along with a long metal pipe to crush the... ;P , kidding. See what I did there with "along". :-D
giuchici
giuchici wrote:
I see you already got 4 fives. Good for you.
Thanks. :thumbsup:
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Slacker007 wrote:
I am convinced that most of them are actually retarded
If it happens that they read the Lounge... then you are in trouble for the next "begging action"... :laugh: Anyway, feel your pain...
[www.tamelectromecanica.com] Robots, CNC and PLC machines for grinding and polishing.
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I see you already got 4 fives. Good for you. But I don't think you and you voters have it entirely right. Sometimes you could get that behaviour because of a lack of people skills. Piss them off and they will turn against you. I am a developer too but I know a few of my compadres being so smug that even I wouldn't help them. There is a tendency on each side to believe that they are the elite. Plus let's not forget that even the developers have their retards. You are right though we should all get along, along with a long metal pipe to crush the... ;P , kidding. See what I did there with "along". :-D
giuchici
What most people don't realize, is when things go to Hell in a hand basket, whose willing to take the blame and pitch in to help fix things. If you know 90% of most job is answering the stupid question of how did this happen and how can we stop it from happening again. Rather than just focusing on are we done yet, party time!!!
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I have full complete admin rights to my dev box. Have had it for years with no probs. I don't need to walk in their shoes to understand what they do for a living. I work with the same stupid users they do.
Except, my guess is, you probably don't work with auditors much. ;) As a former "IT guy", now turned codesmith, my experience was that most of what you did that caused others to hate you was not by choice - the auditors made you do it. Getting admin permission to anything is a perfect example of something auditors require IT guys to lock down hard. So, although some IT guys probably are egotistical, self-rightous boneheads, give them a break anyway. It might not be their fault. :laugh: