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  • D Dave Thomson

    http://www.reflector.net/2011/04/why-we-reversed-some-of-our-reflector-decision[^] Personally, I think this is the right decision (and the way they should have played it in the first place).

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    Slacker007
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    You don't see that explanation everyday.I can only wish Microscrew would do the same thing.

    -- You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a specialist.

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    • D Dave Thomson

      http://www.reflector.net/2011/04/why-we-reversed-some-of-our-reflector-decision[^] Personally, I think this is the right decision (and the way they should have played it in the first place).

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      Lost User
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      It's good news

      I know nothing , I know nothing ...

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      • D Dave Thomson

        http://www.reflector.net/2011/04/why-we-reversed-some-of-our-reflector-decision[^] Personally, I think this is the right decision (and the way they should have played it in the first place).

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        Keith Barrow
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        That's fantastic news!!! This is a bit of a long shot, but do you live in the North East of England? I've heard of two developers there by that name (except the other spells his name with a 'p', the best dev I ever worked with).

        Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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        A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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        • K Keith Barrow

          That's fantastic news!!! This is a bit of a long shot, but do you live in the North East of England? I've heard of two developers there by that name (except the other spells his name with a 'p', the best dev I ever worked with).

          Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
          -Or-
          A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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          Pete OHanlon
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          I know a Dave Thompson - used to work at npower. Is that the one you're thinking of?

          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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          • D Dave Thomson

            http://www.reflector.net/2011/04/why-we-reversed-some-of-our-reflector-decision[^] Personally, I think this is the right decision (and the way they should have played it in the first place).

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            NormDroid
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            They should of stuck advertising all over reflector and released it for free. Splash screen and app banners, that way people would be more ware of Red Gate. If you don't want to support it codeplex/sourceforge the project and let the community maintain it - simple.

            Software Kinetics - The home of good software

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            • D Dave Thomson

              http://www.reflector.net/2011/04/why-we-reversed-some-of-our-reflector-decision[^] Personally, I think this is the right decision (and the way they should have played it in the first place).

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              Henry Minute
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              I suspect that they are worried by ILSpy.

              Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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              • P Pete OHanlon

                I know a Dave Thompson - used to work at npower. Is that the one you're thinking of?

                Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                Keith Barrow
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                It is indeed, I wouldn't be the dev I am today if I hadn't met him. I was offered the Job as a dev manager at npower a couple of years back, but something better turned up. Do you know Gary Coates, he worked there.

                Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                • K Keith Barrow

                  It is indeed, I wouldn't be the dev I am today if I hadn't met him. I was offered the Job as a dev manager at npower a couple of years back, but something better turned up. Do you know Gary Coates, he worked there.

                  Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                  -Or-
                  A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                  Lost User
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                  :cool:

                  Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                  • K Keith Barrow

                    It is indeed, I wouldn't be the dev I am today if I hadn't met him. I was offered the Job as a dev manager at npower a couple of years back, but something better turned up. Do you know Gary Coates, he worked there.

                    Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                    -Or-
                    A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    The name's familiar. I may have had his CV across my desk at one time.

                    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                    • D Dave Thomson

                      http://www.reflector.net/2011/04/why-we-reversed-some-of-our-reflector-decision[^] Personally, I think this is the right decision (and the way they should have played it in the first place).

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                      Oshtri Deka
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                      Their decision cost me several hours of sleep two months ago. Greedy buggers.

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        The name's familiar. I may have had his CV across my desk at one time.

                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                        Lost User
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                        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                        I may have had hims CV across my desk at one time.

                        Discipline is important in the workplace.

                        Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                        • L Lost User

                          Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                          I may have had hims CV across my desk at one time.

                          Discipline is important in the workplace.

                          Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                          NormDroid
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                          :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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                          • D Dave Thomson

                            http://www.reflector.net/2011/04/why-we-reversed-some-of-our-reflector-decision[^] Personally, I think this is the right decision (and the way they should have played it in the first place).

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                            peterchen
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                            I still think RedGate's initial decision was justified, and the backlash was they've seen was way beyond reason.

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                            • D Dave Thomson

                              http://www.reflector.net/2011/04/why-we-reversed-some-of-our-reflector-decision[^] Personally, I think this is the right decision (and the way they should have played it in the first place).

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                              Lost User
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                              Good News. Thanks for Sharing.

                              Regards, Koushik. Most people never run far enough on their first wind to find out if they've got a second. Give your dreams all you've got and you'll be amazed at the energy that comes out of you.

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                              • K Keith Barrow

                                That's fantastic news!!! This is a bit of a long shot, but do you live in the North East of England? I've heard of two developers there by that name (except the other spells his name with a 'p', the best dev I ever worked with).

                                Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                                -Or-
                                A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                Dave Thomson
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                                No I live in the South East but from Scotland originally.

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                                • D Dave Thomson

                                  No I live in the South East but from Scotland originally.

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                                  Keith Barrow
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                                  devsWithYourNameCount++; Perhaps there is some weird kind of nominative determinism in play :-)

                                  Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                                  A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                  • H Henry Minute

                                    I suspect that they are worried by ILSpy.

                                    Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                                    Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                    I hadn't known about ILSpy (me != .NETGeek). But I assumed that this could have been the result of some arising competition.

                                    "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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                                    • P peterchen

                                      I still think RedGate's initial decision was justified, and the backlash was they've seen was way beyond reason.

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                                      Henry Minute
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                                      I think that the decision to have a paid-for version was justified. Given that I think that the decision to allow current versions to expire was misjudged. It would have been much better had they decided to do what they are now doing right from the start. The indecisiveness, and increased free competition makes it easier for the conspiracy theorists to point the finger. Bad PR all round from RedGate.

                                      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                                      • D Dave Thomson

                                        http://www.reflector.net/2011/04/why-we-reversed-some-of-our-reflector-decision[^] Personally, I think this is the right decision (and the way they should have played it in the first place).

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                                        Dan Neely
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                                        "We also figured that, after the initial emotional decision, people’s logic would kick in, they’d calm down, and they’d realise that asking people to pay less than the cost of a decent meal for a tool that they love isn’t, actually, terribly evil after all." If he thinks you need to pay more than $35 for a decent meal, I'm not sure if he's either a food snob or living somewhere very expensive. I might spend that much once or twice a year as a splurge item, but it's far outside my norm; and only makes their reality disconnect even more visible.

                                        3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                                        • H Henry Minute

                                          I think that the decision to have a paid-for version was justified. Given that I think that the decision to allow current versions to expire was misjudged. It would have been much better had they decided to do what they are now doing right from the start. The indecisiveness, and increased free competition makes it easier for the conspiracy theorists to point the finger. Bad PR all round from RedGate.

                                          Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                                          peterchen
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                                          Henry Minute wrote:

                                          Given that I think that the decision to allow current versions to expire was misjudged.

                                          As I understand, expiration was implemented by Lutz Roeder himself, long before RedGate bought it. For me, this is a clear sign saying "It's free now, but not yours." I certainly understand that (a) losing a valuable tool hurts, and (b) $35 can be a lot for some people. However, the level of outrage against Red Gate was simply... uncivilized. I don't know a better word.

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