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Data Piracy, or Legitimatized Hacking ?

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  • G GAMerritt

    It seems to me that they should be required to use SQL queries to collect the data they want from your computer system rather than being allowed to install tasks which run autonomously and without your express consent. If they were required to use SQL, connecting only to specialized provider modules which you install and configure in your system and which only provide data after you have inspected as much of the report they are asking for as you like, much of the privacy problem could be avoided because the individual could assess each data item in accordance with their own standards for personal privacy. To my knowledge, no one has offered to design such a provider, nor have I ever heard of anyone proposing an adequate interface which could support this. If a suitable solution in this respect could be found, it could defer the really tough privacy issues without taking the risk of doing anyone personal damage in the meantime; and there is no sense in hurrying the law when it comes to adapting generalized rulings which would affect constitutional rights and privileges without providing precedents which could be applied fairly in all special cases. Not everyone has an SQL server installed on their local computer, of course; and the operating system administrative management tools are not designed to filter, collate, and publish the underlying details of your operating system's functioning as well as your habitual usage of it, even though system logs and counters are available to the individual possessing administrative privileges (for instance, in the Windows Management Instrumentation objects, if you are running a modern Windows operating system) and can be used to collect a great deal of extremely detailed information even from remote systems using the Remote Procedure Call mechanisms. But the average person is not going to be paid or adequately compensated for their time spent in collecting the information these agents want; and it is beyond the knowledge and expertise of the average computer user to install, configure, maintain, and operate the kind of software instrumentation which this sort of data collection requires. So you're not going to be paid to go to school to learn how to do it, you're not going to be reimbursed for the cost of the software you would need to do it if you did have the time and expertise to deliver what these agents want, and in any event they aren't going to pay you even a nickel here or a dime there for whatever data you collect for them in a situation where yo

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    Lost User
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    • G GAMerritt

      It seems to me that they should be required to use SQL queries to collect the data they want from your computer system rather than being allowed to install tasks which run autonomously and without your express consent. If they were required to use SQL, connecting only to specialized provider modules which you install and configure in your system and which only provide data after you have inspected as much of the report they are asking for as you like, much of the privacy problem could be avoided because the individual could assess each data item in accordance with their own standards for personal privacy. To my knowledge, no one has offered to design such a provider, nor have I ever heard of anyone proposing an adequate interface which could support this. If a suitable solution in this respect could be found, it could defer the really tough privacy issues without taking the risk of doing anyone personal damage in the meantime; and there is no sense in hurrying the law when it comes to adapting generalized rulings which would affect constitutional rights and privileges without providing precedents which could be applied fairly in all special cases. Not everyone has an SQL server installed on their local computer, of course; and the operating system administrative management tools are not designed to filter, collate, and publish the underlying details of your operating system's functioning as well as your habitual usage of it, even though system logs and counters are available to the individual possessing administrative privileges (for instance, in the Windows Management Instrumentation objects, if you are running a modern Windows operating system) and can be used to collect a great deal of extremely detailed information even from remote systems using the Remote Procedure Call mechanisms. But the average person is not going to be paid or adequately compensated for their time spent in collecting the information these agents want; and it is beyond the knowledge and expertise of the average computer user to install, configure, maintain, and operate the kind of software instrumentation which this sort of data collection requires. So you're not going to be paid to go to school to learn how to do it, you're not going to be reimbursed for the cost of the software you would need to do it if you did have the time and expertise to deliver what these agents want, and in any event they aren't going to pay you even a nickel here or a dime there for whatever data you collect for them in a situation where yo

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      Pete OHanlon
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      GAMerritt wrote:

      I think it'd be better to write some software and get the U.S. Supreme Court to put a stamp of approval on the project

      Well, that's all right then. Apparently the problem your disconnected, paranioa raddled consciousness has dredged up only applies in the good ol' US of A because whatever steaming, stream of consciousness bilge you just spewed up onto the page could only be enforced in the USA, or are you so retarded that you don't realise that US laws aren't always enforceable in other countries. I look forward to seeing the test case in Syria.

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      • realJSOPR realJSOP

        SimulationofSai wrote:

        ...and a silly stamp from a court will do nothing to hinder them.

        Yep, that's like the US passing a lwa that says criminals can't legally own guns. By their very nature, a criminal won't obey the law, so what do you really expect the outcome to be? Once again, nothing changes.

        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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        Exactly. And if you get rid of the hookers the johns won't be there, but let's just arrest the johns instead.

        Don't push the rush.

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        • P Pete OHanlon

          GAMerritt wrote:

          I think it'd be better to write some software and get the U.S. Supreme Court to put a stamp of approval on the project

          Well, that's all right then. Apparently the problem your disconnected, paranioa raddled consciousness has dredged up only applies in the good ol' US of A because whatever steaming, stream of consciousness bilge you just spewed up onto the page could only be enforced in the USA, or are you so retarded that you don't realise that US laws aren't always enforceable in other countries. I look forward to seeing the test case in Syria.

          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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          I'll get the trebuchet ready for him.

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            I have taken the liberty of providing a summary of your text, by extracting just every 42nd word:

            It to problem proposing sense local available the to the there way is unobtrusive individual inclusion comprehensiveness in they I'm DOMAIN cost, security until any which there your harmed which after simply glasses. ought individuals

            I think it is about as readable.

            Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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            Niklas L
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            Good resumé :thumbsup:

            home

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            • W wizardzz

              djj55 wrote:

              Problem with people in the US is, they have been taught that people will do the right thing.

              Huh? I thoughtonly liberals thought this.

              Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson

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              Oakman
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              wizardzz wrote:

              I thoughtonly liberals thought this.

              Which is why they want to pass laws banning guns???

              Never mind who, where is John Galt when we need him?

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              • O Oakman

                wizardzz wrote:

                I thoughtonly liberals thought this.

                Which is why they want to pass laws banning guns???

                Never mind who, where is John Galt when we need him?

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                wizardzz
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                Which is why they think criminals will follow gun laws.

                Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson

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                • C Chris Meech

                  GAMerritt wrote:

                  It seems to me that they should be required to use SQL queries ... blah .... blah ... blah ... blah

                  Who is the they that you are referring to? Oh, and SQL is no more an answer for a security issue than laws are going to stop people from stealing. :)

                  Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]

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                  Oakman
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                  Chris Meech wrote:

                  Who is the they that you are referring to?

                  You know, "they." From that infamous group of oppressors "Them, They, and Those People."

                  Never mind who, where is John Galt when we need him?

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                  • P Pete OHanlon

                    GAMerritt wrote:

                    I think it'd be better to write some software and get the U.S. Supreme Court to put a stamp of approval on the project

                    Well, that's all right then. Apparently the problem your disconnected, paranioa raddled consciousness has dredged up only applies in the good ol' US of A because whatever steaming, stream of consciousness bilge you just spewed up onto the page could only be enforced in the USA, or are you so retarded that you don't realise that US laws aren't always enforceable in other countries. I look forward to seeing the test case in Syria.

                    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                    Oakman
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                    You read that far?

                    Never mind who, where is John Galt when we need him?

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                    • O Oakman

                      Chris Meech wrote:

                      Who is the they that you are referring to?

                      You know, "they." From that infamous group of oppressors "Them, They, and Those People."

                      Never mind who, where is John Galt when we need him?

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                      Chris Meech
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                      Thanks for clearing that up for me. I feel so enlightended now. :-D

                      Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]

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                      • O Oakman

                        You read that far?

                        Never mind who, where is John Galt when we need him?

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                        Pete OHanlon
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                        I'm a speed reader. It wasn't that hard.

                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          I have taken the liberty of providing a summary of your text, by extracting just every 42nd word:

                          It to problem proposing sense local available the to the there way is unobtrusive individual inclusion comprehensiveness in they I'm DOMAIN cost, security until any which there your harmed which after simply glasses. ought individuals

                          I think it is about as readable.

                          Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                          Henry Minute
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                          TLDR

                          Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                          • O Oakman

                            You read that far?

                            Never mind who, where is John Galt when we need him?

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                            Andy Brummer
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                            That pretty much sums up the entire post.

                            Curvature of the Mind now with 3D

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                            • P Pete OHanlon

                              I'm a speed reader. It wasn't that hard.

                              Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                              My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                              Dan Neely
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                              What's your retention level at that speed, anything beyond what's needed to mock a single line of stupid? I can read full page pdf's at ~240 pages/hour; I normal read about 6-8x slower so I remember most of what I read.

                              3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                              • D Dan Neely

                                What's your retention level at that speed, anything beyond what's needed to mock a single line of stupid? I can read full page pdf's at ~240 pages/hour; I normal read about 6-8x slower so I remember most of what I read.

                                3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                                Pete OHanlon
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                                I normally retain if I'm running at about 90 pages per hour. If I ramp up, I need to do a double pass; first time for gist and then second time for context. Coupled with my normally only needing about 5 to 6 hours sleep a night, it made me very smug doing exams.

                                Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                                • P Pete OHanlon

                                  I normally retain if I'm running at about 90 pages per hour. If I ramp up, I need to do a double pass; first time for gist and then second time for context. Coupled with my normally only needing about 5 to 6 hours sleep a night, it made me very smug doing exams.

                                  Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                  Dan Neely
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                                  Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                  I normally retain if I'm running at about 90 pages per hour. If I ramp up, I need to do a double pass; first time for gist and then second time for context.

                                  That'd be nice. :sigh: I can do some fiction paperbacks that fast, but even for recreational non-fic I need to slow down to 40-60 to maintain full retention.

                                  Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                  Coupled with my normally only needing about 5 to 6 hours sleep a night, it made me very smug doing exams.

                                  That's great if you really can; but there're a lot more people who *think* they can run at full capability at that level than who actually are doing so.

                                  3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                                  • D Dan Neely

                                    Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                    I normally retain if I'm running at about 90 pages per hour. If I ramp up, I need to do a double pass; first time for gist and then second time for context.

                                    That'd be nice. :sigh: I can do some fiction paperbacks that fast, but even for recreational non-fic I need to slow down to 40-60 to maintain full retention.

                                    Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                    Coupled with my normally only needing about 5 to 6 hours sleep a night, it made me very smug doing exams.

                                    That's great if you really can; but there're a lot more people who *think* they can run at full capability at that level than who actually are doing so.

                                    3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                                    Pete OHanlon
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                                    I've only slept for this time ever since I was a child. It used to drive my parents mad. It only hits me if I go for a few days with less sleep than that, all nighters really play havoc with me.

                                    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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