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Looks like it's time to brush my C++ skills off

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  • P Pete OHanlon

    The rumour mill (aka the usually very reliable Mary=Jo Foley) has it that C++ is making a big comeback in Windows 8[^]. It's being renamed to WinC++. What will be interesting to see is how this compares with their rumoured strategy of offering a CLR runtime closer to the metal.

    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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    realJSOP
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    I think it's pretty clever for Microsoft to omit the neccessity for the successful applicant to be able to use the debugging facilities effectively. This means that anything new in the form of tools will be equally as cripple d as they are now with stupid little falws that should never have gotten past Q/A...

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    • P Pete OHanlon

      The rumour mill (aka the usually very reliable Mary=Jo Foley) has it that C++ is making a big comeback in Windows 8[^]. It's being renamed to WinC++. What will be interesting to see is how this compares with their rumoured strategy of offering a CLR runtime closer to the metal.

      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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      Ian Shlasko
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      WinC++? Looks kinda like "wince", which is something we'll probably do when we see their new implementation of it :)

      Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
      Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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      • P Pete OHanlon

        The rumour mill (aka the usually very reliable Mary=Jo Foley) has it that C++ is making a big comeback in Windows 8[^]. It's being renamed to WinC++. What will be interesting to see is how this compares with their rumoured strategy of offering a CLR runtime closer to the metal.

        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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        Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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        In WinC++ you won't be allowed to use any of the C++ keywords. You will be forced to use macro's defined in the Window header file instead. However, most of the functions will have signatures that are a mix of conventions.

        Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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        • P Pete OHanlon

          The rumour mill (aka the usually very reliable Mary=Jo Foley) has it that C++ is making a big comeback in Windows 8[^]. It's being renamed to WinC++. What will be interesting to see is how this compares with their rumoured strategy of offering a CLR runtime closer to the metal.

          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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          Hans Dietrich
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          Yes, this tallies with the rumor that I heard: the next VS IDE will be based on emacs. :laugh:

          Best wishes, Hans


          [Hans Dietrich Software]

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          • H Hans Dietrich

            Yes, this tallies with the rumor that I heard: the next VS IDE will be based on emacs. :laugh:

            Best wishes, Hans


            [Hans Dietrich Software]

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            Pete OHanlon
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            Excellent. I like emacs. Better still, let it be a command line based editor and call it vi.

            Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

            My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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            • I Ian Shlasko

              WinC++? Looks kinda like "wince", which is something we'll probably do when we see their new implementation of it :)

              Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
              Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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              Dan Neely
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              Yup, everything old is new again; the moniker worked so well for their embedded OS afterall. :doh: :doh:

              3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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              • D Dan Neely

                Yup, everything old is new again; the moniker worked so well for their embedded OS afterall. :doh: :doh:

                3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                Ian Shlasko
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                Heh... I managed to just avoid CE entirely... But since I completely missed the opportunity to make this joke back then, I'm doing it now :)

                Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                • H Hans Dietrich

                  Yes, this tallies with the rumor that I heard: the next VS IDE will be based on emacs. :laugh:

                  Best wishes, Hans


                  [Hans Dietrich Software]

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                  Vark111
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                  I also hear* they'll be returning to the beauty of Hungarian notation. * - I may not have actually heard this.

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                  • P Pete OHanlon

                    Excellent. I like emacs. Better still, let it be a command line based editor and call it vi.

                    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                    Steve Mayfield
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                    I was partial to DECs teco editor - especially the macro language implementation

                    Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am

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                    • V Vark111

                      I also hear* they'll be returning to the beauty of Hungarian notation. * - I may not have actually heard this.

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                      Vark111 wrote:

                      the beauty of Hungarian notation

                      No, dude, it's camels all the way.

                      Best wishes, Hans


                      [Hans Dietrich Software]

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        The rumour mill (aka the usually very reliable Mary=Jo Foley) has it that C++ is making a big comeback in Windows 8[^]. It's being renamed to WinC++. What will be interesting to see is how this compares with their rumoured strategy of offering a CLR runtime closer to the metal.

                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                        Hans Dietrich
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                        From the vague and nebulous statements made in that blog (sort of like a Microsoft marketing blurb in that), one could surmise that there will be a unified IDE in the future, which only supported XAML; a post-processing phase would then spit out (up?) the language of your choosing: C#, C++, PHP, etc. The IDE itself would be written in a highly abstract version of XAML called, of course, Turbo XAML.

                        Best wishes, Hans


                        [Hans Dietrich Software]

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                        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                          In WinC++ you won't be allowed to use any of the C++ keywords. You will be forced to use macro's defined in the Window header file instead. However, most of the functions will have signatures that are a mix of conventions.

                          Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                          Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                          In WinC++ you won't be allowed to use any of the C++ keywords. You will be forced to use macro's defined in the Window header file instead. However, most of the functions will have signatures that are a mix of conventions.

                          Really? :omg:


                          See if you can crack this: b749f6c269a746243debc6488046e33f
                          So far, no one seems to have cracked this!

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                          • P Pete OHanlon

                            Excellent. I like emacs. Better still, let it be a command line based editor and call it vi.

                            Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                            My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                            Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                            vi

                            X| I prefer Nano ;P


                            See if you can crack this: b749f6c269a746243debc6488046e33f
                            So far, no one seems to have cracked this!

                            The unofficial awesome history of Code Project's Bob! "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."

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                            • R realJSOP

                              I think it's pretty clever for Microsoft to omit the neccessity for the successful applicant to be able to use the debugging facilities effectively. This means that anything new in the form of tools will be equally as cripple d as they are now with stupid little falws that should never have gotten past Q/A...

                              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                              Microsoft ... Q/A

                              Need I say more? :doh:

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                              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                In WinC++ you won't be allowed to use any of the C++ keywords. You will be forced to use macro's defined in the Window header file instead. However, most of the functions will have signatures that are a mix of conventions.

                                Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                                Albert Holguin
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                                I hope you're not serious! :omg:

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                                • P Pete OHanlon

                                  The rumour mill (aka the usually very reliable Mary=Jo Foley) has it that C++ is making a big comeback in Windows 8[^]. It's being renamed to WinC++. What will be interesting to see is how this compares with their rumoured strategy of offering a CLR runtime closer to the metal.

                                  Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                  OFFS. When the .Net "brand" was unveiled developers rolled their eyes. It was sheer Marketing bluster because Microsoft saw the internet getting away from them. Now that they've hitched their Development tools to the "Net" and the "Net" and "Cloud" have become viable alternatives to a Windows desktop, and now that people have begun to embrace the idea of alternative operating systems....what to MS do.. Let's stick "WIN" back into the name of our development tools to try and convince developers that the OS actually matters. I'm just glad they haven't renamed it Cloud++ I'm sill concerned 2012 might be the last release of Visual Studio before Visual Cloud, and .Net 5.0 may give way to .Cloud 1.0 I recently abandoned Windows for home use and having gone Mac I won't be going back, and I was one of those skeptics who dismissed Mac for a long time. I now only boot into Windows using VMWare if I need to run Visual Studio. If I ever replace that tool for my development needs then Windows would be gone in a heartbeat. -Rd

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                                    OFFS. When the .Net "brand" was unveiled developers rolled their eyes. It was sheer Marketing bluster because Microsoft saw the internet getting away from them. Now that they've hitched their Development tools to the "Net" and the "Net" and "Cloud" have become viable alternatives to a Windows desktop, and now that people have begun to embrace the idea of alternative operating systems....what to MS do.. Let's stick "WIN" back into the name of our development tools to try and convince developers that the OS actually matters. I'm just glad they haven't renamed it Cloud++ I'm sill concerned 2012 might be the last release of Visual Studio before Visual Cloud, and .Net 5.0 may give way to .Cloud 1.0 I recently abandoned Windows for home use and having gone Mac I won't be going back, and I was one of those skeptics who dismissed Mac for a long time. I now only boot into Windows using VMWare if I need to run Visual Studio. If I ever replace that tool for my development needs then Windows would be gone in a heartbeat. -Rd

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                                    What kind of development are you going on your Mac? Surely not Cocoa and Objective C :omg:

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                                      What kind of development are you going on your Mac? Surely not Cocoa and Objective C :omg:

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                                      Richard A Dalton
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                                      Nope, like I said C# in Win7 under VM Ware. But VS2010 is literally the only reason I still use Windows at all. Perhaps if I liked Java I might just use ecclipse on the Mac, I haven't tried that. I'm happy with my lot c# and win7 for work, work, mac for everything else. -Richard

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                                      • P Pete OHanlon

                                        The rumour mill (aka the usually very reliable Mary=Jo Foley) has it that C++ is making a big comeback in Windows 8[^]. It's being renamed to WinC++. What will be interesting to see is how this compares with their rumoured strategy of offering a CLR runtime closer to the metal.

                                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                        Time to Dig my Mike Blaszczak MFC back up!

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