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Ian Shlasko

I'm curious as to why Elijah Bailey and Robinette Broadhead haven't made it to the big screen yet... And on the fantasy side, I'd love to see Thomas Covenant or Stile up there... (Wonder if anyone will understand all four references there...)

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It doesn't get more interesting than the various relationships that exist between Luke and Leia. Well, there is one slightly more interesting relationship I can think of. The actress that plays Clark's mom in Smallville played Lana in one of the Superman movies. That means Superman had a romantic interest in his mom. :~

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Ian Shlasko wrote:

Robinette Broadhead

Sounds like an interesting stage name.

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Jorgen Andersson

Seconding that and adding Ender Wiggins to that list.

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wizardzz

If you said stop after Empire, I would agree. I still love that movie. Lucas didn't make anything good after Gary Kurtz left him.

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OriginalGriff

If you want to give them ideas, Philip José Farmer wrote some good ones, including pr0n fantasy - look for "Image of the Beast" and "Blown". Might be difficult to get teens into the cinema to see them though. Books that would have made good films by him: the Riverworld or the World of Tiers series.

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OriginalGriff

Elijah Bailey: The robot series couldn't be a film nowadays: he smokes a pipe! Robinette Broadhead: the Gateway/Heechee series. Would make good films, but probably not including the first book - way too much "mushy stuff". Thomas Covenant: Oh come on! Donaldson just puts me to sleep... Stile - do you mean Piers Anthony? Would make pretty good films, but you would confuse a lot of viewers with the SF/Fantasy world switching.

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OriginalGriff

Now that would be a good film series - I have yet to read anything by Card that was easy to put down.

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Ian Shlasko

Well done!

OriginalGriff wrote:

Thomas Covenant: Oh come on! Donaldson just puts me to sleep...

Really? Well, maybe I'm just more of a fan of epic storylines... I've read through Wheel of Time three times so far... Covenant is my favorite Fantasy series.

OriginalGriff wrote:

Stile - do you mean Piers Anthony? Would make pretty good films, but you would confuse a lot of viewers with the SF/Fantasy world switching.

Hopefully not TOO many viewers... Cause... um... the Guardians Saga (See my sig) mixes SF and Fantasy even moreso...

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OriginalGriff

Mixing SF and fantasy in books is fine: people who read books can cope. People who go to movies ... well, let's just say that Nicholas Cage is still working and leave it at that, eh? Donaldson I just don't get on with: it just seems as if he gets paid by the word, rather than by the story! :laugh:

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John C wrote:

...Among many things go back and excise Star Wars from history and replace it with just about *any* of the excellent science fiction novels written to that point.

George Lucas wasn't interested in making that kind of movie though. He wanted a romping adventure in space, which he figured technology would allow him to do. The original film was a nearly perfect execution in classic storytelling; the universe was still pretty shallow at that point, really, and it didn't matter. It was great fun. And I think George Lucas did know the difference between what he was doing and something like Left Hand of Darkness. Hell, he gave us THX-1138, which I would put way up there as good, hard core sci-fi, and in a completely different category than Star Wars. Most of the good sci-fi I've read is unfilmable, as it gets so complex that there's simply no way to do it justice. The Foundation or Robot series may be distilled down to some essential components, but I have zero faith that Hollywood would do them justice. (Hell, look at I, Robot.) Right now I'm reading (well, listening to) Pandora's Star and enjoying it immensely. It would be a catastrophe of a movie, it's a gigantic premise with so many interlocking parts that to leave anything out would turn it into something else completely. And I will once again go on record as saying I love Star Wars, including the prequels, though the prequels do frustrate me at times. I think they are actually a brilliant premise, but the execution fell short in places. Still, I enjoy them as the most expensive independent films ever made, and they are beautiful to look at. I keep hoping Lucas will do as he said he would and get back to some experimental projects (along the lines of THX-1138). I doubt that will happen now though.

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Andy Brummer

Donaldson has been mixed for me. I really liked the Mordant's need series, but it's a lot lighter. I liked the first and the 3rd Covenant trilogies. The second was really slow. The first was cheap therapy for me as an angst ridden teen, and I've been finishing it out of loyalty. What is getting me in the last series is how contrived some of the "had to let you figure it out on your own" plot lines are. I loved the first book of the gap series, I've never hated characters more. It was a really intense read but the other books just kinda trailed off.

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Gary Wheeler

Elijah Bailey - Too cerebral. They'd screw it up. (Isaac Asimov, Caves of Steel) Robinette Broadhead - Everyone would hate him in the first movie. (Poul Anderson, Gateway) Thomas Covenant - Oh gawd, you've got to be kidding. I needed therapy after reading those. (Stephen Donaldson, Lord Foul's Bane) Stile - That would be fun. (Piers Anthony, Split Infinity)

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Unfortunately, Card has gone to the well several times too many with the Ender books.

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Good points all. My main beef I guess with Star Wars is that people have taken it way too far. For what it is, it doesn't deserve the cult like status it's achieved over the years.

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Ian Shlasko

Andy Brummer wrote:

I liked the first and the 3rd Covenant trilogies.

THIRD!? Wow, I had no idea he was writing another one! Last time I read through the first two was like ten years ago... Ah, I see it's not finished... I'll wait. I do agree that the second is a little slower... I liked the concept of how the world changed, but yeah, it was a little strange at times. Now I'm really curious, though, because given the ending of the second series, I'm wondering how there could be room for more sequels... Favorite character: Bannor of the Bloodguard... One of the characters in Books 2-3 of my series has parts of his personality based on Bannor :)

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Ian Shlasko

OriginalGriff wrote:

People who go to movies ... well, let's just say that Nicholas Cage is still working and leave it at that, eh?

Hmm... I'd like to think a mix could work... I blend magic and technology, in the spirit of Clarke's third law... Always hoped it would someday hit the big screen, or maybe a TV series like True Blood or Game of Thrones.

OriginalGriff wrote:

Donaldson I just don't get on with: it just seems as if he gets paid by the word, rather than by the story!

That's the impression I sometimes got of Robert Jordan :)

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Ian Shlasko

Gary Wheeler wrote:

Elijah Bailey - Too cerebral. They'd screw it up.

Probably... I don't know, though... I thought they'd completely screw up I, Robot, but I think they did a good job of that... They used an action movie to trick the general public into watching semi-intelligent sci-fi... Granted, that was just loosely based on the basic concepts behind a short story, but Caves of Steel might work.

Gary Wheeler wrote:

Robinette Broadhead - Everyone would hate him in the first movie. (Poul Anderson, Gateway)

Close, but it was Fredrik Pohl, not Poul Anderson... And yeah, they'd hate him, but that's part of the fun.

Gary Wheeler wrote:

Thomas Covenant - Oh gawd, you've got to be kidding. I needed therapy after reading those. (Stephen Donaldson, Lord Foul's Bane)

Now, THERE'S a character they would hate... I loved that series.

Gary Wheeler wrote:

Stile - That would be fun. (Piers Anthony, Split Infinity)

:) Just listing the first book of each series, huh?

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