Morons
-
Disclaimer: * please do not flame for being programming related - just sharing a laugh * Here's a bunch of outrageous stuff I've heard from some developers from my workplace. To set the context right, we're around 150,000 employees, working for a reputed software company in India. All kinds of developers join the company (and leave just as quickly) : all the way from superb programmers to downright mentally crippled trash. Here goes: Junior Male Dev (2 years experience in .NET): "Man, this HTML thing looks a lot like .NET to me". Junior Male Dev (1.5 yrs VB VB.NET) "What the f*ck is XML and why should I even bother about it? It's not important." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs Java Web Dev) "Divs, tables, who cares. They look the same." Junior Male Dev (3 yrs .NET) "He uses something called CSS for some re-use bullshi*. I say let's just trash it and do it our way. We have no time to waste." Junior Male Dev (2.5 yrs Java/J2EE) "Just copy paste the JavaScript function into the script section in all pages." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs .NET) "How to create buttons in HTML like buttons in .NET?" This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it? It's the sad truth that 90% of the workforce where I work is trash that can be a disaster to any project. Worse, they manage to survive long enough to have minted some decent amount of money from the company. All hope is not lost though: there are, albeit few, good and seriously good developers who understand that computers aren't just for facebook and porn: but they get screwed hard because of these morons - overtime and what not. (I consider myself to be a good developer - I'm still shaky with optimizations, and super high performance code).
-
Disclaimer: * please do not flame for being programming related - just sharing a laugh * Here's a bunch of outrageous stuff I've heard from some developers from my workplace. To set the context right, we're around 150,000 employees, working for a reputed software company in India. All kinds of developers join the company (and leave just as quickly) : all the way from superb programmers to downright mentally crippled trash. Here goes: Junior Male Dev (2 years experience in .NET): "Man, this HTML thing looks a lot like .NET to me". Junior Male Dev (1.5 yrs VB VB.NET) "What the f*ck is XML and why should I even bother about it? It's not important." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs Java Web Dev) "Divs, tables, who cares. They look the same." Junior Male Dev (3 yrs .NET) "He uses something called CSS for some re-use bullshi*. I say let's just trash it and do it our way. We have no time to waste." Junior Male Dev (2.5 yrs Java/J2EE) "Just copy paste the JavaScript function into the script section in all pages." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs .NET) "How to create buttons in HTML like buttons in .NET?" This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it? It's the sad truth that 90% of the workforce where I work is trash that can be a disaster to any project. Worse, they manage to survive long enough to have minted some decent amount of money from the company. All hope is not lost though: there are, albeit few, good and seriously good developers who understand that computers aren't just for facebook and porn: but they get screwed hard because of these morons - overtime and what not. (I consider myself to be a good developer - I'm still shaky with optimizations, and super high performance code).
It's not good news exactly, but I want to assure you that it can and does happen in the New World, too. Be careful, I will caution you, not to criticize too loudly or too often at work. The marching morons can trample you.
$(John Resig).unwrap(Mozilla Corporation).wrap(Khan Academy).live(jQuery);
-
Disclaimer: * please do not flame for being programming related - just sharing a laugh * Here's a bunch of outrageous stuff I've heard from some developers from my workplace. To set the context right, we're around 150,000 employees, working for a reputed software company in India. All kinds of developers join the company (and leave just as quickly) : all the way from superb programmers to downright mentally crippled trash. Here goes: Junior Male Dev (2 years experience in .NET): "Man, this HTML thing looks a lot like .NET to me". Junior Male Dev (1.5 yrs VB VB.NET) "What the f*ck is XML and why should I even bother about it? It's not important." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs Java Web Dev) "Divs, tables, who cares. They look the same." Junior Male Dev (3 yrs .NET) "He uses something called CSS for some re-use bullshi*. I say let's just trash it and do it our way. We have no time to waste." Junior Male Dev (2.5 yrs Java/J2EE) "Just copy paste the JavaScript function into the script section in all pages." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs .NET) "How to create buttons in HTML like buttons in .NET?" This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it? It's the sad truth that 90% of the workforce where I work is trash that can be a disaster to any project. Worse, they manage to survive long enough to have minted some decent amount of money from the company. All hope is not lost though: there are, albeit few, good and seriously good developers who understand that computers aren't just for facebook and porn: but they get screwed hard because of these morons - overtime and what not. (I consider myself to be a good developer - I'm still shaky with optimizations, and super high performance code).
It happens everywhere to varying extents, the trick is to find a good employer.
Bulky Fellow wrote:
but they get screwed hard because of these morons
Often happens, I'd second what Oakman said about these people. It also too often happens that these morons get promoted to management.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
-Or-
A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^] -
Disclaimer: * please do not flame for being programming related - just sharing a laugh * Here's a bunch of outrageous stuff I've heard from some developers from my workplace. To set the context right, we're around 150,000 employees, working for a reputed software company in India. All kinds of developers join the company (and leave just as quickly) : all the way from superb programmers to downright mentally crippled trash. Here goes: Junior Male Dev (2 years experience in .NET): "Man, this HTML thing looks a lot like .NET to me". Junior Male Dev (1.5 yrs VB VB.NET) "What the f*ck is XML and why should I even bother about it? It's not important." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs Java Web Dev) "Divs, tables, who cares. They look the same." Junior Male Dev (3 yrs .NET) "He uses something called CSS for some re-use bullshi*. I say let's just trash it and do it our way. We have no time to waste." Junior Male Dev (2.5 yrs Java/J2EE) "Just copy paste the JavaScript function into the script section in all pages." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs .NET) "How to create buttons in HTML like buttons in .NET?" This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it? It's the sad truth that 90% of the workforce where I work is trash that can be a disaster to any project. Worse, they manage to survive long enough to have minted some decent amount of money from the company. All hope is not lost though: there are, albeit few, good and seriously good developers who understand that computers aren't just for facebook and porn: but they get screwed hard because of these morons - overtime and what not. (I consider myself to be a good developer - I'm still shaky with optimizations, and super high performance code).
-
That I can't disclose here due to obvious reasons.
-
Tarun.K.S wrote:
I guess you are working in TCS then?
It doesn't matters. Most of big company does the same.
Venkatesh Mookkan (My Recent Article: WPF Custom Control - FilterControl for ListBox/ListView)
-
Disclaimer: * please do not flame for being programming related - just sharing a laugh * Here's a bunch of outrageous stuff I've heard from some developers from my workplace. To set the context right, we're around 150,000 employees, working for a reputed software company in India. All kinds of developers join the company (and leave just as quickly) : all the way from superb programmers to downright mentally crippled trash. Here goes: Junior Male Dev (2 years experience in .NET): "Man, this HTML thing looks a lot like .NET to me". Junior Male Dev (1.5 yrs VB VB.NET) "What the f*ck is XML and why should I even bother about it? It's not important." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs Java Web Dev) "Divs, tables, who cares. They look the same." Junior Male Dev (3 yrs .NET) "He uses something called CSS for some re-use bullshi*. I say let's just trash it and do it our way. We have no time to waste." Junior Male Dev (2.5 yrs Java/J2EE) "Just copy paste the JavaScript function into the script section in all pages." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs .NET) "How to create buttons in HTML like buttons in .NET?" This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it? It's the sad truth that 90% of the workforce where I work is trash that can be a disaster to any project. Worse, they manage to survive long enough to have minted some decent amount of money from the company. All hope is not lost though: there are, albeit few, good and seriously good developers who understand that computers aren't just for facebook and porn: but they get screwed hard because of these morons - overtime and what not. (I consider myself to be a good developer - I'm still shaky with optimizations, and super high performance code).
Never upset the idiots. They outnumber you and the one thing they know how to do successfully is breed.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
-
Disclaimer: * please do not flame for being programming related - just sharing a laugh * Here's a bunch of outrageous stuff I've heard from some developers from my workplace. To set the context right, we're around 150,000 employees, working for a reputed software company in India. All kinds of developers join the company (and leave just as quickly) : all the way from superb programmers to downright mentally crippled trash. Here goes: Junior Male Dev (2 years experience in .NET): "Man, this HTML thing looks a lot like .NET to me". Junior Male Dev (1.5 yrs VB VB.NET) "What the f*ck is XML and why should I even bother about it? It's not important." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs Java Web Dev) "Divs, tables, who cares. They look the same." Junior Male Dev (3 yrs .NET) "He uses something called CSS for some re-use bullshi*. I say let's just trash it and do it our way. We have no time to waste." Junior Male Dev (2.5 yrs Java/J2EE) "Just copy paste the JavaScript function into the script section in all pages." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs .NET) "How to create buttons in HTML like buttons in .NET?" This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it? It's the sad truth that 90% of the workforce where I work is trash that can be a disaster to any project. Worse, they manage to survive long enough to have minted some decent amount of money from the company. All hope is not lost though: there are, albeit few, good and seriously good developers who understand that computers aren't just for facebook and porn: but they get screwed hard because of these morons - overtime and what not. (I consider myself to be a good developer - I'm still shaky with optimizations, and super high performance code).
One of my former coworkers/managers (a guy with about 10 years of development under his belt) thought that patterns and practices was somehow related to how you wrote a loop statement. What design pattern should we use for this project? "Well the for each loop....." I thought this was hilarious and used to bate him into repeating this nonsense as often as possible. After about a year and a half I think he caught on and stopped wanting to discuss it. In the end that guy really hated my guts :rolleyes:
-
One of my former coworkers/managers (a guy with about 10 years of development under his belt) thought that patterns and practices was somehow related to how you wrote a loop statement. What design pattern should we use for this project? "Well the for each loop....." I thought this was hilarious and used to bate him into repeating this nonsense as often as possible. After about a year and a half I think he caught on and stopped wanting to discuss it. In the end that guy really hated my guts :rolleyes:
-
Disclaimer: * please do not flame for being programming related - just sharing a laugh * Here's a bunch of outrageous stuff I've heard from some developers from my workplace. To set the context right, we're around 150,000 employees, working for a reputed software company in India. All kinds of developers join the company (and leave just as quickly) : all the way from superb programmers to downright mentally crippled trash. Here goes: Junior Male Dev (2 years experience in .NET): "Man, this HTML thing looks a lot like .NET to me". Junior Male Dev (1.5 yrs VB VB.NET) "What the f*ck is XML and why should I even bother about it? It's not important." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs Java Web Dev) "Divs, tables, who cares. They look the same." Junior Male Dev (3 yrs .NET) "He uses something called CSS for some re-use bullshi*. I say let's just trash it and do it our way. We have no time to waste." Junior Male Dev (2.5 yrs Java/J2EE) "Just copy paste the JavaScript function into the script section in all pages." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs .NET) "How to create buttons in HTML like buttons in .NET?" This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it? It's the sad truth that 90% of the workforce where I work is trash that can be a disaster to any project. Worse, they manage to survive long enough to have minted some decent amount of money from the company. All hope is not lost though: there are, albeit few, good and seriously good developers who understand that computers aren't just for facebook and porn: but they get screwed hard because of these morons - overtime and what not. (I consider myself to be a good developer - I'm still shaky with optimizations, and super high performance code).
Bulky Fellow wrote:
we're around 150,000 employees,
I have found that to be the problem, small companies, or at least small teams / departments tend to operate less as a social welfare project (letting people keep jobs they shouldn't). Also, at smaller places the work tends to be divided more evenly.
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
-
Tarun.K.S wrote:
I guess you are working in TCS then?
It doesn't matters. Most of big company does the same.
Venkatesh Mookkan (My Recent Article: WPF Custom Control - FilterControl for ListBox/ListView)
-
thrakazog wrote:
In the end that guy really hated my gut
A man is known by the enemies he makes. Sounds like you deserve a lot of respect.
$(John Resig).unwrap(Mozilla Corporation).wrap(Khan Academy).live(jQuery);
-
That I can't disclose here due to obvious reasons.
-
Oakman wrote:
A man is known by the enemies he makes.
If that's actually true my stock would have gone up a lot in this case. Guess you had to know the guy in question.
thrakazog wrote:
If that's actually true my stock would have gone up a lot in this case.
Problem is that there are always sheeple who assume that folks who supervise them are "above" them, and that anyone who does not genuflect at the altar of petty power is a trouble-maker and that most horrible of all creatures: not-a-team-player. My guess is without having been there is that your stock went down with these folks but not so with those who actually think for themselves.
$(John Resig).unwrap(Mozilla Corporation).wrap(Khan Academy).live(jQuery);
-
Disclaimer: * please do not flame for being programming related - just sharing a laugh * Here's a bunch of outrageous stuff I've heard from some developers from my workplace. To set the context right, we're around 150,000 employees, working for a reputed software company in India. All kinds of developers join the company (and leave just as quickly) : all the way from superb programmers to downright mentally crippled trash. Here goes: Junior Male Dev (2 years experience in .NET): "Man, this HTML thing looks a lot like .NET to me". Junior Male Dev (1.5 yrs VB VB.NET) "What the f*ck is XML and why should I even bother about it? It's not important." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs Java Web Dev) "Divs, tables, who cares. They look the same." Junior Male Dev (3 yrs .NET) "He uses something called CSS for some re-use bullshi*. I say let's just trash it and do it our way. We have no time to waste." Junior Male Dev (2.5 yrs Java/J2EE) "Just copy paste the JavaScript function into the script section in all pages." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs .NET) "How to create buttons in HTML like buttons in .NET?" This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it? It's the sad truth that 90% of the workforce where I work is trash that can be a disaster to any project. Worse, they manage to survive long enough to have minted some decent amount of money from the company. All hope is not lost though: there are, albeit few, good and seriously good developers who understand that computers aren't just for facebook and porn: but they get screwed hard because of these morons - overtime and what not. (I consider myself to be a good developer - I'm still shaky with optimizations, and super high performance code).
Bulky Fellow wrote:
This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it?
It tells me... They hire inexperienced programmers. And have absolutely no explicit nor implicity mentoring program in place. That of course says absolutely zero about the competency of the programers and quite a bit about the competency of the management.
Bulky Fellow wrote:
All hope is not lost though
...someday you may work for a company that takes mentoring seriously.
-
Disclaimer: * please do not flame for being programming related - just sharing a laugh * Here's a bunch of outrageous stuff I've heard from some developers from my workplace. To set the context right, we're around 150,000 employees, working for a reputed software company in India. All kinds of developers join the company (and leave just as quickly) : all the way from superb programmers to downright mentally crippled trash. Here goes: Junior Male Dev (2 years experience in .NET): "Man, this HTML thing looks a lot like .NET to me". Junior Male Dev (1.5 yrs VB VB.NET) "What the f*ck is XML and why should I even bother about it? It's not important." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs Java Web Dev) "Divs, tables, who cares. They look the same." Junior Male Dev (3 yrs .NET) "He uses something called CSS for some re-use bullshi*. I say let's just trash it and do it our way. We have no time to waste." Junior Male Dev (2.5 yrs Java/J2EE) "Just copy paste the JavaScript function into the script section in all pages." Junior Female Dev (3 yrs .NET) "How to create buttons in HTML like buttons in .NET?" This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it? It's the sad truth that 90% of the workforce where I work is trash that can be a disaster to any project. Worse, they manage to survive long enough to have minted some decent amount of money from the company. All hope is not lost though: there are, albeit few, good and seriously good developers who understand that computers aren't just for facebook and porn: but they get screwed hard because of these morons - overtime and what not. (I consider myself to be a good developer - I'm still shaky with optimizations, and super high performance code).
Actually, the fault lies with the software industry itself. There is virually zero mentoring of junior level programmers, and the industry has for far too long tolerated an uncontrolled hodgepodge of technologies that would leave anyone confused. Throw them in and see who drowns in the chaos seems to be the general method for developing software professionals. The ocassional super-stud programmer who manages to master a sufficiently comprehensive range of technologies to be able to produce quality software is the model that the industry relies upon rather than investing any substantial effort in helping shape and develop young programmers. The super-stud then becomes head of development only to lament the dearth of equally gifted individuals, burns out working 12 hour days 7 days a week because of the lack of help, and, if the company is lucky, lasts just long enough for the next super-stud to be discovered. And the saddest part is that the super-stud programmers are wasting their time at a key board anyway. They should be the guys out there discoverying a cure for cancer or a faster than light space drive or something - not writing yet another mundane business app. The software industry absorbs, uses up, and discards far more intellectual capital than would be necessary if it were just a little more well managed.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
-
Actually, the fault lies with the software industry itself. There is virually zero mentoring of junior level programmers, and the industry has for far too long tolerated an uncontrolled hodgepodge of technologies that would leave anyone confused. Throw them in and see who drowns in the chaos seems to be the general method for developing software professionals. The ocassional super-stud programmer who manages to master a sufficiently comprehensive range of technologies to be able to produce quality software is the model that the industry relies upon rather than investing any substantial effort in helping shape and develop young programmers. The super-stud then becomes head of development only to lament the dearth of equally gifted individuals, burns out working 12 hour days 7 days a week because of the lack of help, and, if the company is lucky, lasts just long enough for the next super-stud to be discovered. And the saddest part is that the super-stud programmers are wasting their time at a key board anyway. They should be the guys out there discoverying a cure for cancer or a faster than light space drive or something - not writing yet another mundane business app. The software industry absorbs, uses up, and discards far more intellectual capital than would be necessary if it were just a little more well managed.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
if it were just a little more well managed
I wish.
-
Bulky Fellow wrote:
This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it?
It tells me... They hire inexperienced programmers. And have absolutely no explicit nor implicity mentoring program in place. That of course says absolutely zero about the competency of the programers and quite a bit about the competency of the management.
Bulky Fellow wrote:
All hope is not lost though
...someday you may work for a company that takes mentoring seriously.
There is in fact a good training program in place. Interestingly, most find their ways to rote through it - you could say that although the curriculum is sound, the implementation isn't very effective - doesn't really test whether a candidate is fit to be introduced into a production environment.
Mr. Dynamic Web Developer - "This HTML thing looks a lot like .NET to me."
-
Bulky Fellow wrote:
This tells you volumes about my workplace, doesn't it?
It tells me... They hire inexperienced programmers. And have absolutely no explicit nor implicity mentoring program in place. That of course says absolutely zero about the competency of the programers and quite a bit about the competency of the management.
Bulky Fellow wrote:
All hope is not lost though
...someday you may work for a company that takes mentoring seriously.
jschell wrote:
That of course says absolutely zero about the competency of the programers and quite a bit about the competency of the management.
I've had a fresh programmer out of college quite because they could make just as good money doing something else on the side with virtually none of the stress. I've thought about quitting for similar reasons. There's nothing like being asked to build a house and then being asked to build the basement. More users need to be fired as clients too. Our job may be to make software for clients, but that doesn't mean we have to put up with people who can't make up their minds. My usual thought that goes with that is that they must not really need it.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
-
There is in fact a good training program in place. Interestingly, most find their ways to rote through it - you could say that although the curriculum is sound, the implementation isn't very effective - doesn't really test whether a candidate is fit to be introduced into a production environment.
Mr. Dynamic Web Developer - "This HTML thing looks a lot like .NET to me."