You know how to dish it out, but you can't take it.
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One of your problems is summed up nicely in the link... "English Writing 101" (Written English 101 surely?) Such an Americanism, where English is not so much spoken as vomited. You would read proper English, (As spoken in England, the clue is in the name), and not recognise it as the bastardised abuse version favoured across the Atlantic. Pete makes excellent points, your problem is your lack of understanding in real world scenarios. Remember, the USA is not the world, and US law is not enforceable outside your borders.
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I had not, nor have I, said anything at all about countries outside the U.S. in connection with the subject I had written about. If you would read it rather than blindly parading the fact that you haven't read it, you might understand that I WAS NOT REFERRING TO COUNTRIES OUTSIDE OF THE U.S. "Even a simple thought gets tangled when told to someone who has a knot in his head."
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I had not, nor have I, said anything at all about countries outside the U.S. in connection with the subject I had written about. If you would read it rather than blindly parading the fact that you haven't read it, you might understand that I WAS NOT REFERRING TO COUNTRIES OUTSIDE OF THE U.S. "Even a simple thought gets tangled when told to someone who has a knot in his head."
Of course I didn't read it, the first few sentences were so abject that the reasoning centers of my brain shut down.
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Re: The Lounge, and some of you. Here's what I have to say about it, in detail: http://cqvis.zxq.net/CMT/POH1.html[^]
Wow. Immortalised. How cool. Good for you. By the way, thanks for giving me a chuckle.
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Re: The Lounge, and some of you. Here's what I have to say about it, in detail: http://cqvis.zxq.net/CMT/POH1.html[^]
Can I ask you a question? What are we not supposed to be able to take? If I couldn't take it, I wouldn't dish it out so I have to wonder if I'm missing something here, or if you're merely off on another disjointed rant.
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One of your problems is summed up nicely in the link... "English Writing 101" (Written English 101 surely?) Such an Americanism, where English is not so much spoken as vomited. You would read proper English, (As spoken in England, the clue is in the name), and not recognise it as the bastardised abuse version favoured across the Atlantic. Pete makes excellent points, your problem is your lack of understanding in real world scenarios. Remember, the USA is not the world, and US law is not enforceable outside your borders.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
English is not so much spoken as vomited
I prefer to think of it more as having evolved to its perfect form. :laugh: I speak 'merican!
Dalek Dave wrote:
US law is not enforceable outside your borders
That's what we have armies for.. Try And Stop Us[^]
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Re: The Lounge, and some of you. Here's what I have to say about it, in detail: http://cqvis.zxq.net/CMT/POH1.html[^]
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Apparently he can't. Rather than reply on the original post, he has created a rant with no method of redress on the page. It actually gave me a good chuckle, so for that I thank him (unfortunately, he doesn't seem to want to post his own name so that I can namecheck him - and I am making a possibly unfair assumption that he's a he if you see what I mean).
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Actually, I have just read the first page rather than his rant against me. It seems like GAMerritt is entirely too impressed with his own intelligence and doesn't realise that starting a discussion from the middle of a thought and not finishing the same thought isn't going to get people involved in reasoned debate.
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Actually, I have just read the first page rather than his rant against me. It seems like GAMerritt is entirely too impressed with his own intelligence and doesn't realise that starting a discussion from the middle of a thought and not finishing the same thought isn't going to get people involved in reasoned debate.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
sn't going to get people involved in reasoned debate.
Pete, I have great respect for you as a coder and as an author, but calling what he originally wrote, "bilge," was hardly involving yourself in reasoned debate either. You can argue that what he wrote deserved short shrift, but it seemed to me that you were being deliberately inflammatory in your original response.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
sn't going to get people involved in reasoned debate.
Pete, I have great respect for you as a coder and as an author, but calling what he originally wrote, "bilge," was hardly involving yourself in reasoned debate either. You can argue that what he wrote deserved short shrift, but it seemed to me that you were being deliberately inflammatory in your original response.
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but calling what he originally wrote, "bilge," was hardly involving yourself in reasoned debate either
I didn't say the reasoned debate would be with me, now did I. I would have had far more respect for him if he'd come back and attacked my post in the lounge, or stated why I was wrong there. To go off and create an anonymous page elsewhere is cowardly though, so I am not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. With the greatest respect to the poster, he posted a rant that assumed a US-centric stance. Now, at no point in this post did he state that he was interested in this from the point of view of an American audience only. As this is an international site I took exception to the implication that a US point of view would be applicable outside the US (hence my comments on Syria). The mistake he made here was not to state that this was purely for US consumption, as we have seen so many posts where there is an assumption that the rest of the world will fall into line. I appreciate that my point of view here will not be popular with the US members of the site, but I have a suspicion that many none-US members feel the same way. On this point, I think we'll probably have to agree to disagree. As regards to whether I was being deliberately inflamatory, that was not my intention. My intention was to purely to point out that there are other POVs than an American one - granted I was harsh in my approach, but the sheer arrogance of the rant was enough to trigger my vituperative gene. I appreciate, also, that my answer probably comes across as arrogant, but that's kind of tough because you also know me well enough to know that I am arrogant to the point of upper-class. Had he stuck with his post to a personal attack on me, then I'd have been OK with it (it actually made me grin, and if I couldn't take somebody having a go at me, then I have no right to dish it out), but he has effectively said that we are all too stupid to understand his point of view. I'm fine with him thinking I'm a stupid ass, but I won't have him denigrating all the people who replied.
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Re: The Lounge, and some of you. Here's what I have to say about it, in detail: http://cqvis.zxq.net/CMT/POH1.html[^]
I think you might be taking yourself a bit too seriously.
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Oakman wrote:
but calling what he originally wrote, "bilge," was hardly involving yourself in reasoned debate either
I didn't say the reasoned debate would be with me, now did I. I would have had far more respect for him if he'd come back and attacked my post in the lounge, or stated why I was wrong there. To go off and create an anonymous page elsewhere is cowardly though, so I am not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. With the greatest respect to the poster, he posted a rant that assumed a US-centric stance. Now, at no point in this post did he state that he was interested in this from the point of view of an American audience only. As this is an international site I took exception to the implication that a US point of view would be applicable outside the US (hence my comments on Syria). The mistake he made here was not to state that this was purely for US consumption, as we have seen so many posts where there is an assumption that the rest of the world will fall into line. I appreciate that my point of view here will not be popular with the US members of the site, but I have a suspicion that many none-US members feel the same way. On this point, I think we'll probably have to agree to disagree. As regards to whether I was being deliberately inflamatory, that was not my intention. My intention was to purely to point out that there are other POVs than an American one - granted I was harsh in my approach, but the sheer arrogance of the rant was enough to trigger my vituperative gene. I appreciate, also, that my answer probably comes across as arrogant, but that's kind of tough because you also know me well enough to know that I am arrogant to the point of upper-class. Had he stuck with his post to a personal attack on me, then I'd have been OK with it (it actually made me grin, and if I couldn't take somebody having a go at me, then I have no right to dish it out), but he has effectively said that we are all too stupid to understand his point of view. I'm fine with him thinking I'm a stupid ass, but I won't have him denigrating all the people who replied.
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I appreciate your measured response and I certainly agree that there can be other points of view besides the American, believing as I do that everyone has the right to be wrong. ;)
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I appreciate, also, that my answer probably comes across as arrogant, but that's kind of tough because you also know me well enough to know that I am arrogant to the point of upper-class.
Arrogance has never bothered me when it's backed by competence.
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I appreciate your measured response and I certainly agree that there can be other points of view besides the American, believing as I do that everyone has the right to be wrong. ;)
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I appreciate, also, that my answer probably comes across as arrogant, but that's kind of tough because you also know me well enough to know that I am arrogant to the point of upper-class.
Arrogance has never bothered me when it's backed by competence.
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Oakman wrote:
Arrogance has never bothered me when it's backed by competence.
A classic quote. If it is original I shall use it and attribute it to you! <Edit> I see it is not original.[^] </Edit> Still good though.
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I appreciate your measured response and I certainly agree that there can be other points of view besides the American, believing as I do that everyone has the right to be wrong. ;)
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I appreciate, also, that my answer probably comes across as arrogant, but that's kind of tough because you also know me well enough to know that I am arrogant to the point of upper-class.
Arrogance has never bothered me when it's backed by competence.
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Oakman wrote:
I certainly agree that there can be other points of view besides the American, believing as I do that everyone has the right to be wrong
:laugh:
Oakman wrote:
Arrogance has never bothered me when it's backed by competence.
I'm screwed then.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
the bastardised abuse version favoured across the Atlantic.
Which is merely English of 3 centuries ago. And sicne it predates the English spoken in England today... English is already a dogs dinner of a language. No amount of misuse could make it any worse. :)
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Re: The Lounge, and some of you. Here's what I have to say about it, in detail: http://cqvis.zxq.net/CMT/POH1.html[^]
You write a long post about some politcal idea saying that this "they" everyone is worried about should be allowed to access your SQL data to a forum that explicitly forbids political discussions and discourages long posts, when you could have just as easily marked your post as long and posted it in a forum that allows political discussion. Then you get so angry when people take the piss out of you for transgressing the rules that you feel compelled to write a website highlighting the flames you recieved, thus reiterating the association of your name with the phrase "disconnected, paranioa raddled consciousness". Overreact much?
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Oakman wrote:
I certainly agree that there can be other points of view besides the American, believing as I do that everyone has the right to be wrong
:laugh:
Oakman wrote:
Arrogance has never bothered me when it's backed by competence.
I'm screwed then.
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Oakman wrote:
Arrogance has never bothered me when it's backed by competence.
A classic quote. If it is original I shall use it and attribute it to you! <Edit> I see it is not original.[^] </Edit> Still good though.
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Dave, do you really think I would spend enough time on a site that used tweety-birds as avatars??? X| I am sure that neither the thought nor the phrasing is particularly unique to me, and it's possible that I have forgotten reading it, but I assure you that I am quite sure that I was not inspired by that site. Show me one with Sylvester on it and that's a possibility. ;)
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Thanks for finding that dead link for me. I probably wouldn't have noticed that for another month, at least.
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Thanks for finding that dead link for me. I probably wouldn't have noticed that for another month, at least.
You should link it as http://cqvis.zxq.net/index.html[^] or http://cqvis.zxq.net[^]
