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No. I really would be interested in it, as it's not something I've considered doing and I'd like to see how it could be done because I've always assumed you couldn't decouple a C# object from the .NET runtime. As far as it being an olive branch, I honestly think this poster hates me with a passion so any gesture would be meaningless (in fact, I'm tempted to see how else I can wind him up to see if I can generate more hate pages - it's kind of cool that he's done this), but that doesn't stop me from being interested in seeing how this code would work.
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mohammedghaderian.bp [^] said, quote: Hi everybody, I want to develop an application with c# without .net framework and I want to use win32 dlls? Can I do it? endquote. His Question was down-voted, considered solved, with a final "No." So if I want to "make trouble" by suggesting that CodeDom methods could be used to generate runtime code which references DLLs as imports in C# and that IL might be used directly to circumvent the problem, then what? Although C# would be almost impotent without the .NET runtime, it still might be possible to write a rudimentary and barely functional program that does almost nothing. So, would anyone try to create one? Obviously not. The clincher is that everyone knows that Microsoft has 'sewn up' the .NET framework into a patchwork that nobody can use to do things Microsoft hasn't foreseen and explicitly allowed for. Every security token and access right, and the entire 'managed' code structure, is designed deliberately in order to prevent any strategy which might be 'competitive' to Microsoft from achieving anything with their runtime. So if what you want to do hasn't already been condoned in advance, you can't do it. And everyone knows it. That's why you all gave such a quick answer to mohammedghaderian.bp's question and downvoted it.
I answered the question with some tip.
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I answered the question with some tip.
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No. I really would be interested in it, as it's not something I've considered doing and I'd like to see how it could be done because I've always assumed you couldn't decouple a C# object from the .NET runtime. As far as it being an olive branch, I honestly think this poster hates me with a passion so any gesture would be meaningless (in fact, I'm tempted to see how else I can wind him up to see if I can generate more hate pages - it's kind of cool that he's done this), but that doesn't stop me from being interested in seeing how this code would work.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
it's kind of cool that he's done this
I don't know why this site hasn't been parked, but ihatepetehanlon.com is available for just $11.99/yr
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
it's kind of cool that he's done this
I don't know why this site hasn't been parked, but ihatepetehanlon.com is available for just $11.99/yr
$(John Resig).unwrap(Mozilla Corporation).wrap(Khan Academy).live(jQuery);
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mohammedghaderian.bp [^] said, quote: Hi everybody, I want to develop an application with c# without .net framework and I want to use win32 dlls? Can I do it? endquote. His Question was down-voted, considered solved, with a final "No." So if I want to "make trouble" by suggesting that CodeDom methods could be used to generate runtime code which references DLLs as imports in C# and that IL might be used directly to circumvent the problem, then what? Although C# would be almost impotent without the .NET runtime, it still might be possible to write a rudimentary and barely functional program that does almost nothing. So, would anyone try to create one? Obviously not. The clincher is that everyone knows that Microsoft has 'sewn up' the .NET framework into a patchwork that nobody can use to do things Microsoft hasn't foreseen and explicitly allowed for. Every security token and access right, and the entire 'managed' code structure, is designed deliberately in order to prevent any strategy which might be 'competitive' to Microsoft from achieving anything with their runtime. So if what you want to do hasn't already been condoned in advance, you can't do it. And everyone knows it. That's why you all gave such a quick answer to mohammedghaderian.bp's question and downvoted it.
GAMerritt wrote:
The clincher is that everyone knows that Microsoft has 'sewn up' the .NET framework into a
patchwork that nobody can use to do things Microsoft hasn't foreseen and explicitly allowed
for. Every security token and access right, and the entire 'managed' code structure, is
designed deliberately in order to prevent any strategy which might be 'competitive' to
Microsoft from achieving anything with their runtime.Only to those that think MS is a god. Conversely there are certain to be some that consider that MS is composed of nothing but normal humans. And as such they are just as unlikely to be better than any other large corporation in implementing anything in a comphrensive way and certianly not a 100% effective way.
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mohammedghaderian.bp [^] said, quote: Hi everybody, I want to develop an application with c# without .net framework and I want to use win32 dlls? Can I do it? endquote. His Question was down-voted, considered solved, with a final "No." So if I want to "make trouble" by suggesting that CodeDom methods could be used to generate runtime code which references DLLs as imports in C# and that IL might be used directly to circumvent the problem, then what? Although C# would be almost impotent without the .NET runtime, it still might be possible to write a rudimentary and barely functional program that does almost nothing. So, would anyone try to create one? Obviously not. The clincher is that everyone knows that Microsoft has 'sewn up' the .NET framework into a patchwork that nobody can use to do things Microsoft hasn't foreseen and explicitly allowed for. Every security token and access right, and the entire 'managed' code structure, is designed deliberately in order to prevent any strategy which might be 'competitive' to Microsoft from achieving anything with their runtime. So if what you want to do hasn't already been condoned in advance, you can't do it. And everyone knows it. That's why you all gave such a quick answer to mohammedghaderian.bp's question and downvoted it.
No. C# needs an interpreter, thats what .net is. Its not a compiled language, thus cant run direct on the hardware. Its the same with Java and a JVM (in fact this is what C# and .net was before Micosoft got told off by the courts for abusing the Java standard and Sun forced them to remove every reference to Java from Microsofts products. Of course revenge is sweet since .net et al is WAY more popular than Java ever was). In fact built J++ can run on .net.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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No. C# needs an interpreter, thats what .net is. Its not a compiled language, thus cant run direct on the hardware. Its the same with Java and a JVM (in fact this is what C# and .net was before Micosoft got told off by the courts for abusing the Java standard and Sun forced them to remove every reference to Java from Microsofts products. Of course revenge is sweet since .net et al is WAY more popular than Java ever was). In fact built J++ can run on .net.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
fat_boy wrote:
Of course revenge is sweet since .net et al is WAY more popular than Java ever was).
Wrong. Not even close. http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html[^]
fat_boy wrote:
In fact built J++ can run on .net.
Pretty irrelevant given that absolutely no one uses that language. And it isn't Java either.
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fat_boy wrote:
Of course revenge is sweet since .net et al is WAY more popular than Java ever was).
Wrong. Not even close. http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html[^]
fat_boy wrote:
In fact built J++ can run on .net.
Pretty irrelevant given that absolutely no one uses that language. And it isn't Java either.
Lookingh at job specs I would say the so. Way more C# in demand than Java. So, your table there, whats it based on... "The ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, courses and third party vendors. The popular search engines Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings" So its a reflection of the existing skills in the workplace (based on experience, ie, the past), courses (often out of date but still offered in case anyones interested) TP vendors (selling all sorts of products, often out of date but still for sale incase anyones interested). My figures ared based on job adverts and therefore represents real current demand, not the historic positioning of the market based on the dredgings of a few search engines.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Lookingh at job specs I would say the so. Way more C# in demand than Java. So, your table there, whats it based on... "The ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, courses and third party vendors. The popular search engines Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings" So its a reflection of the existing skills in the workplace (based on experience, ie, the past), courses (often out of date but still offered in case anyones interested) TP vendors (selling all sorts of products, often out of date but still for sale incase anyones interested). My figures ared based on job adverts and therefore represents real current demand, not the historic positioning of the market based on the dredgings of a few search engines.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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fat_boy wrote:
My figures ared based on job adverts and therefore represents real current demand, not the historic positioning of the market based on the dredgings of a few search engines.
Provide the actual numbers and methodology.
Maybe its different in the UK to where you are, but the UK is a big IT market, bigger IMO than the rest of Europe given the quantity of job adverts, but C# is big. jobserve.co.uk, in terms of the jobs posted in th alast 7 days, has C# and Java pretty much the same in UK and Europe, in the US is less equal. I havent got any partisan interest in this, I personally think they are both pretty questionable ways of programming a computer and I work mostly in the kernel using C on windows (although I use C++ for user mode since its generally used with UI frameworks). If I were to have to chose between C# and Java, from my experience, and from what I have heard, the UI components put C# ahead. If I were to be working in Linux, I guess Java would be the choice, (but then I know sod all about Linux).
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Maybe its different in the UK to where you are, but the UK is a big IT market, bigger IMO than the rest of Europe given the quantity of job adverts, but C# is big. jobserve.co.uk, in terms of the jobs posted in th alast 7 days, has C# and Java pretty much the same in UK and Europe, in the US is less equal. I havent got any partisan interest in this, I personally think they are both pretty questionable ways of programming a computer and I work mostly in the kernel using C on windows (although I use C++ for user mode since its generally used with UI frameworks). If I were to have to chose between C# and Java, from my experience, and from what I have heard, the UI components put C# ahead. If I were to be working in Linux, I guess Java would be the choice, (but then I know sod all about Linux).
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
I see neither numbers nor methodology in that posting. The link I provided has been collecting numerics for years. To refute it something similar that actually provides real numbers and which provides something more than a single instance in time would be needed.