The legacy of torture
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I guess it's possible that Obama actually believes that torture is useful, but it seems unlikely. Because it isn't. Again, why Obama chooses to break the law by his failure to investigate the war crimes of the previous administration is something I really don't care about.
Majerus wrote:
I guess it's possible that Obama actually believes that torture is useful, but it seems unlikely. Because it isn't.
Haha, well maybe that's what they get when it's outsourced. Need codez! (waterboarding) urgntzzzz!
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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I'm listening to you. You're calling Obama a war criminal? Should he be impeached?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Would it be ok with you if we just sent some SEALs up there to shoot him in the head? That appears to be a perfectly moral, legal and very useful practice. Now personally, I don't understand the logic with that, but the left seems to be understand it just fine. I mean, I haven't heard any of the Bush haters call Obama a war criminal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I haven't heard any of the Bush haters call Obama a war criminal.
I have, in the news, occaisionally here, well not a war criminal exactly, but the legality it is being questioned. That wouldn't make Obama a war criminal BTW, just a plain old accessory to murder or whatever the US equivalent is, if different.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Majerus wrote:
Let's talk after Bush and Cheney are in prison for life.
Thats what I thought - typical lefty hypocrisy on parade once again. Not that it will make any difference of course, as you guys are answerable to no one. Poor old Bush, it is obvious that the man was trying to use the power of his office as judiciously as possible in order to avoid being labeled by people like you. But Obama can send teams of assassins out into the world to gun down unarmed suspects without even the slightest sort of due process, and you have no comment. That is the main reason why leftist politics are so dangerous - you guys don't care about law or morality as long as the thug in charge is keeping the slop shovled into the trough.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Majerus wrote:
Let's talk after Bush and Cheney are in prison for life.
Thats what I thought - typical lefty hypocrisy on parade once again. Not that it will make any difference of course, as you guys are answerable to no one. Poor old Bush, it is obvious that the man was trying to use the power of his office as judiciously as possible in order to avoid being labeled by people like you. But Obama can send teams of assassins out into the world to gun down unarmed suspects without even the slightest sort of due process, and you have no comment. That is the main reason why leftist politics are so dangerous - you guys don't care about law or morality as long as the thug in charge is keeping the slop shovled into the trough.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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When you actually want to have a conversation with me instead of some strawman "leftist", let me know. I haven't been hypocritical about anything in this thread. So if you wish to speak to me than do so. Otherwise just STFU.
Majerus wrote:
Otherwise just STFU.
No. You're a leftist, Obama is a leftist and the democrat party is a leftist party. Radically so, in fact. And that is precisely the issue. You don't want Bush and Cheney punished for water-boarding key terroist leaders in a carefully managed enviroment. You want them punished for being conservatives. The slack you give Obama for doing far worse is proof of that. You have no morality. All you have is your rage. So, why don't you STFU?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I haven't heard any of the Bush haters call Obama a war criminal.
I have, in the news, occaisionally here, well not a war criminal exactly, but the legality it is being questioned. That wouldn't make Obama a war criminal BTW, just a plain old accessory to murder or whatever the US equivalent is, if different.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]I'll take your word for it. But whatever it is, it is certainly the end of the radical left's 'legacy of torture' bullshit. They need to have Obama's assasination of bin Ladin thrown in their face everytime they mention it. It clearly defines the hypocrisy of the left. All we heard from them for years was how water-boarding was swelling the ranks of al queda with outraged (but otherwise moderate) muslims. But gunning down their top guy won't have the same affect? Give me a break.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Majerus wrote:
Otherwise just STFU.
No. You're a leftist, Obama is a leftist and the democrat party is a leftist party. Radically so, in fact. And that is precisely the issue. You don't want Bush and Cheney punished for water-boarding key terroist leaders in a carefully managed enviroment. You want them punished for being conservatives. The slack you give Obama for doing far worse is proof of that. You have no morality. All you have is your rage. So, why don't you STFU?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
More strawmen. You know nothing about me or my beliefs.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You're a leftist
No, I'm liberal.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Obama is a leftist and the democrat party is a leftist party.
Hardly. Obama is a right of center political. The Democratic party as a group might be a little left of center. My bad - You said democrat party. Never heard of them. Perhaps they are leftist. But they must be very small. have they ever put up a candidate for national office?
Stan Shannon wrote:
You don't want Bush and Cheney punished for water-boarding key terroist leaders in a carefully managed enviroment.
You want them punished for being conservatives.Well first off, torture chambers are not places that I would describe as "carefully managed environments." Good grief! 100 dead inmates screams careless and mismanaged. "Key Terrorists" - nice term if you wanted to define "Key" as anyone we could get our grubby hands on, but I won't. Why you think you can read minds is a mystery to me. Sorry to burst you bubble, but you can't. I want Bush and Cheney brought up on charges of war crimes because they are self-confessed war criminals.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The slack you give Obama for doing far worse is proof of that.
How can that possibly be proof of anything since you haven't provided proof that I've given Obama any slack.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You have no morality
Coming from someone who is a defender of torture, that is a real laugh.
Stan Shannon wrote:
All you have is your rage.
Coming from someone who has just posted a rant full of rage and hate gives me another laugh.
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More strawmen. You know nothing about me or my beliefs.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You're a leftist
No, I'm liberal.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Obama is a leftist and the democrat party is a leftist party.
Hardly. Obama is a right of center political. The Democratic party as a group might be a little left of center. My bad - You said democrat party. Never heard of them. Perhaps they are leftist. But they must be very small. have they ever put up a candidate for national office?
Stan Shannon wrote:
You don't want Bush and Cheney punished for water-boarding key terroist leaders in a carefully managed enviroment.
You want them punished for being conservatives.Well first off, torture chambers are not places that I would describe as "carefully managed environments." Good grief! 100 dead inmates screams careless and mismanaged. "Key Terrorists" - nice term if you wanted to define "Key" as anyone we could get our grubby hands on, but I won't. Why you think you can read minds is a mystery to me. Sorry to burst you bubble, but you can't. I want Bush and Cheney brought up on charges of war crimes because they are self-confessed war criminals.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The slack you give Obama for doing far worse is proof of that.
How can that possibly be proof of anything since you haven't provided proof that I've given Obama any slack.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You have no morality
Coming from someone who is a defender of torture, that is a real laugh.
Stan Shannon wrote:
All you have is your rage.
Coming from someone who has just posted a rant full of rage and hate gives me another laugh.
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But then, I never made a moral argument. I don't believe that there is any moral way to defend a society from those who wish to destroy it. When have we ever fought a 'moral' war? I expect those we elect to be our leaders to exclude morality from what ever means they deem necessary to defend the nation. Bush or Obama could have nuked every major city from Morocco to Pakistan and I would have been perfectly content. (Although, I will confess that I am not altogether comfortable with a traditonal branch of our conventional military being used as assassination teams. If we need assassination teams, they should be called assassination teams and probably controlled directly by the CIA. Missions like this I think tend to mar the tradition of honor the US Navy has always possessed)
Majerus wrote:
Obama is a right of center political. The Democratic party as a group might be a little left of center.
Now THAT is funny. Sure, you're not a leftist.... :laugh: The only reason we are not already a full blown communist state is because of the impediments the founding father's put in the democrat party's way. You're zeal to throw opposition leaders into prison on whatever trumped up charges you can find is, once more, all the proof anyone needs.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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But then, I never made a moral argument. I don't believe that there is any moral way to defend a society from those who wish to destroy it. When have we ever fought a 'moral' war? I expect those we elect to be our leaders to exclude morality from what ever means they deem necessary to defend the nation. Bush or Obama could have nuked every major city from Morocco to Pakistan and I would have been perfectly content. (Although, I will confess that I am not altogether comfortable with a traditonal branch of our conventional military being used as assassination teams. If we need assassination teams, they should be called assassination teams and probably controlled directly by the CIA. Missions like this I think tend to mar the tradition of honor the US Navy has always possessed)
Majerus wrote:
Obama is a right of center political. The Democratic party as a group might be a little left of center.
Now THAT is funny. Sure, you're not a leftist.... :laugh: The only reason we are not already a full blown communist state is because of the impediments the founding father's put in the democrat party's way. You're zeal to throw opposition leaders into prison on whatever trumped up charges you can find is, once more, all the proof anyone needs.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I never made a moral argument.
I never said you did. And looking at your current comments I amemd my response to: Coming from someone who describes himself as a souless monster, that is a real laugh.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I expect those we elect to be our leaders to exclude morality from what ever means they deem necessary to defend the nation.
You also want them to ignore all those pesky laws as well. You fear that health care reform will destroy American democracy, and yet you believe democracy can survive vesting the federal government and the president with absolute power to kill whomever it chooses by simply declaring them to be the enemy.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Sure, you're not a leftist
Especially not by your crazy wingnut definition of the word.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You're zeal to throw opposition leaders into prison
on whatever trumped up chargesTrumped up? Hardly. Both Cheney and Bush have publically declared that they ordered waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture and torture is a war crime. They have confessed to committing war crimes. Your defense of war crimes proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you hate democracy.
Stan Shannon wrote:
democrat party's
Since you know that there is no democrat party in the US - at least not with with a national presence - this is clearly meant as a perjorative. So right back at you - you batshit crazy, teabagging wingnut.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I never made a moral argument.
I never said you did. And looking at your current comments I amemd my response to: Coming from someone who describes himself as a souless monster, that is a real laugh.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I expect those we elect to be our leaders to exclude morality from what ever means they deem necessary to defend the nation.
You also want them to ignore all those pesky laws as well. You fear that health care reform will destroy American democracy, and yet you believe democracy can survive vesting the federal government and the president with absolute power to kill whomever it chooses by simply declaring them to be the enemy.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Sure, you're not a leftist
Especially not by your crazy wingnut definition of the word.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You're zeal to throw opposition leaders into prison
on whatever trumped up chargesTrumped up? Hardly. Both Cheney and Bush have publically declared that they ordered waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture and torture is a war crime. They have confessed to committing war crimes. Your defense of war crimes proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you hate democracy.
Stan Shannon wrote:
democrat party's
Since you know that there is no democrat party in the US - at least not with with a national presence - this is clearly meant as a perjorative. So right back at you - you batshit crazy, teabagging wingnut.
Sorry, but we have already established that you are void of moral courage. For example,
Majerus wrote:
Both Cheney and Bush have publically declared that they ordered waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture and torture is a war crime. They have confessed to committing war crimes.
Your defense of war crimes proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you hate democracy....You also want them to ignore all those pesky laws as well.
Anyone who condemns a law that makes it illegal to pour water on someone's face, but has no comment to make if that same person is shot dead standing unarmed in their home, just so long as the guy ordering the shooting is own your side politically, is a hyprocrite. If you would bother to check most of the actual sources of moral codes around the world, I'm actually quite certain you will find that they all consider shooting someone in the head to be worse than getting them a little wet. Except, evidently, the moral code of the left, which appears to be infinitely modifiable to fit the occassion. Face it, the obvious truth is that you would use any possible excuse to imprison the political opposition. That is all this is about. There is absolutely nothing more morally compelling about it than that. If there were, there would be even more public outrage from the elft at Obama's actions as at Bush's, because what Obama did, the precident he has set, is far, far worse. And any normal person would easily percieve that.
Majerus wrote:
You fear that health care reform will destroy American democracy
I do indeed. Although, just a little faster than all the other sociaslist policies that are already well established. So, its kind of a moot point. I'm more than happy to set back and watch as people like you learn you lessons the hard way.
Majerus wrote:
Since you know that there is no democrat party in the US
Than what party do democrats belong to?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Sorry, but we have already established that you are void of moral courage. For example,
Majerus wrote:
Both Cheney and Bush have publically declared that they ordered waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture and torture is a war crime. They have confessed to committing war crimes.
Your defense of war crimes proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you hate democracy....You also want them to ignore all those pesky laws as well.
Anyone who condemns a law that makes it illegal to pour water on someone's face, but has no comment to make if that same person is shot dead standing unarmed in their home, just so long as the guy ordering the shooting is own your side politically, is a hyprocrite. If you would bother to check most of the actual sources of moral codes around the world, I'm actually quite certain you will find that they all consider shooting someone in the head to be worse than getting them a little wet. Except, evidently, the moral code of the left, which appears to be infinitely modifiable to fit the occassion. Face it, the obvious truth is that you would use any possible excuse to imprison the political opposition. That is all this is about. There is absolutely nothing more morally compelling about it than that. If there were, there would be even more public outrage from the elft at Obama's actions as at Bush's, because what Obama did, the precident he has set, is far, far worse. And any normal person would easily percieve that.
Majerus wrote:
You fear that health care reform will destroy American democracy
I do indeed. Although, just a little faster than all the other sociaslist policies that are already well established. So, its kind of a moot point. I'm more than happy to set back and watch as people like you learn you lessons the hard way.
Majerus wrote:
Since you know that there is no democrat party in the US
Than what party do democrats belong to?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Sorry, but we have already established that you are void of moral courage.
Sorry, but someone who proudly claims to have a complete lack of a moral center is simply incapable of making that sort of judgement. Even though I know it is possible that those soldiers were given shoot to kill orders, there is no evidence for it. Really? Is that the best you can do? You - a man with no moral compass - tries to claim that bin Laden's death was immoral and democrats are hypocrits for not condemning it? There are so many easy targets for exposing hypocrisy of the democrats and that's the best you can come up with? I have claimed that Bush should be tried for breaking the law - not that he acted immorally. You claim that Obama made an immoral judgement to kill osama(not that there is any evidence to support that), But you haven't argued that it was illegal.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Face it, the obvious truth is that you would use any possible excuse to imprison the political opposition.
Nope. He confessed to war crimes.
Stan Shannon wrote:
There is absolutely nothing more morally compelling about it than that.
I haven't made a moral argument for trying Bush for war crimes. It is you, the one you claims to be amoral, who is trying to make a moral argument here.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Than what party do democrats belong to?
You really don't know? :wtf:
Stan Shannon wrote:
what Obama did, the precident he has set, is far, far worse.
He has set a precedent far worse than anything Bush has done, but it wasn't in hunting down Bin Laden. But blinded by your amoral bloodlust, I wouldn't be suprised that you don't see it. Bonus points if you can name a famous torture victim of the current administration.
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I'll take your word for it. But whatever it is, it is certainly the end of the radical left's 'legacy of torture' bullshit. They need to have Obama's assasination of bin Ladin thrown in their face everytime they mention it. It clearly defines the hypocrisy of the left. All we heard from them for years was how water-boarding was swelling the ranks of al queda with outraged (but otherwise moderate) muslims. But gunning down their top guy won't have the same affect? Give me a break.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
All we heard from them for years was how water-boarding was swelling the ranks of al queda with outraged
(but otherwise moderate) muslims. But gunning down their top guy won't have the same affect? Give me a break.Let me correct something here:
Stan Shannon wrote:
All we heard from them for years was how water-boarding brown people at random without evidence was swelling the ranks of al queda with outraged
(but otherwise moderate) muslims.Shoot the leader and it shows he's hardly invincible, torture the guy down the street for no apparent reason, refuse to give a reason, and toss them into a jail which violates your own laws, but it's ok because we put it somewhere else, AND then you give people plenty of reason to be pissed with you. Oh, and invade two countries on what are now apparently laughable pretenses, have (some)soldiers who believe it's their holy duty to piss off(Or better, shoot at) the locals as much as possible, and have a military structure which quietly supports it. Bin Laden has been quite open about having been behind a number of attacks against the US and pretty much anyone who doesn't exactly agree with him. Yeah, I totally see the balance here, the liberals are completely wrong about leveling one compound and actually managing to achieve the stated goal, it's completely apart from how much we totally loved Bin Laden before. How dare we.
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More strawmen. You know nothing about me or my beliefs.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You're a leftist
No, I'm liberal.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Obama is a leftist and the democrat party is a leftist party.
Hardly. Obama is a right of center political. The Democratic party as a group might be a little left of center. My bad - You said democrat party. Never heard of them. Perhaps they are leftist. But they must be very small. have they ever put up a candidate for national office?
Stan Shannon wrote:
You don't want Bush and Cheney punished for water-boarding key terroist leaders in a carefully managed enviroment.
You want them punished for being conservatives.Well first off, torture chambers are not places that I would describe as "carefully managed environments." Good grief! 100 dead inmates screams careless and mismanaged. "Key Terrorists" - nice term if you wanted to define "Key" as anyone we could get our grubby hands on, but I won't. Why you think you can read minds is a mystery to me. Sorry to burst you bubble, but you can't. I want Bush and Cheney brought up on charges of war crimes because they are self-confessed war criminals.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The slack you give Obama for doing far worse is proof of that.
How can that possibly be proof of anything since you haven't provided proof that I've given Obama any slack.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You have no morality
Coming from someone who is a defender of torture, that is a real laugh.
Stan Shannon wrote:
All you have is your rage.
Coming from someone who has just posted a rant full of rage and hate gives me another laugh.
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Majerus wrote:
I want Bush and Cheney brought up on charges of war crimes because they are self-confessed war criminals.
Sounds like a goal. What public office have you run for? What political campaigns have you been part of? How significant was your role? How do you intend to increase your role in the future? How many hours a week do you put towards your political efforts? What percentage of your income do you spend on achieving your political goals? How many times a week do you interact with your elected officials to both let them know about your goals and to ask what they are doing about it? How many protests and other events do you intend to participate in this year which will further that goal? And I am curious - under exactly which legal jurisdiction do you want them prosecuted?
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Majerus wrote:
I want Bush and Cheney brought up on charges of war crimes because they are self-confessed war criminals.
Sounds like a goal. What public office have you run for? What political campaigns have you been part of? How significant was your role? How do you intend to increase your role in the future? How many hours a week do you put towards your political efforts? What percentage of your income do you spend on achieving your political goals? How many times a week do you interact with your elected officials to both let them know about your goals and to ask what they are doing about it? How many protests and other events do you intend to participate in this year which will further that goal? And I am curious - under exactly which legal jurisdiction do you want them prosecuted?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
All we heard from them for years was how water-boarding was swelling the ranks of al queda with outraged
(but otherwise moderate) muslims. But gunning down their top guy won't have the same affect? Give me a break.Let me correct something here:
Stan Shannon wrote:
All we heard from them for years was how water-boarding brown people at random without evidence was swelling the ranks of al queda with outraged
(but otherwise moderate) muslims.Shoot the leader and it shows he's hardly invincible, torture the guy down the street for no apparent reason, refuse to give a reason, and toss them into a jail which violates your own laws, but it's ok because we put it somewhere else, AND then you give people plenty of reason to be pissed with you. Oh, and invade two countries on what are now apparently laughable pretenses, have (some)soldiers who believe it's their holy duty to piss off(Or better, shoot at) the locals as much as possible, and have a military structure which quietly supports it. Bin Laden has been quite open about having been behind a number of attacks against the US and pretty much anyone who doesn't exactly agree with him. Yeah, I totally see the balance here, the liberals are completely wrong about leveling one compound and actually managing to achieve the stated goal, it's completely apart from how much we totally loved Bin Laden before. How dare we.
Sorry, but if what Bush did was illegal than so is what Obama did. And if morality or legality is a factor in your argument you must now include Obama into whatever you wish done to Bush. Otherwise, you are simply a hypocrite turning a blind eye to the evil of your own side. For my part, I heartily approve of what Obama did just as I did Bush. I really don't care if mistakes are made, just so long as there is an aggressvie effort made to defend the country. Torturing someone when you should not have is a far more forgivable mistake to make than not torturing them when you should have. There is no such thing as a moral war. The entire concept is inherently immoral. But, then, so is surrendering to evil, so what ya gonna do? Still, I tend to support Obama on a lot of his foreign policy (I also tend to like his policies in regard to NASA). I mean, sure, he is going to wreck the country economically, but what the hell, thats a fore gone conclusion at this late date anyway - no one can stop that train wreck, so we might as well let the people who started it all so long ago apply the coup de grace. But the simple fact is that he has proven beyond doubt that Bush was also largely right in his foreign policy. There will be no big changes in that regard, and the 'throw Bush in prison' lunacy is clearly nothing more than hypocritical blather from the extreme left for all the world to see and be amazed by.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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And why do you think any of that is relevant?
jschell wrote:
under exactly which legal jurisdiction do you want them prosecuted?
Any federal court would do.
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Would it be ok with you if we just sent some SEALs up there to shoot him in the head? That appears to be a perfectly moral, legal and very useful practice. Now personally, I don't understand the logic with that, but the left seems to be understand it just fine. I mean, I haven't heard any of the Bush haters call Obama a war criminal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
but the left seems to be understand it just fine
Seriously, you are still a Republican asshole after all the republican garbage that has happened since I left this site? Wow you are one seriously fucked up asswipe like all the other republicans in america. Lying hypocritical sacks of shit all of you. For the definition of rebulican asshole hypocrites see this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David\_Vitter Vitter votes to impeach Clinton for sex while he is using prostitutes himself. He votes for a family values bill to keep homosexuals from marrying because marriages like his need protecting. Then after all his whoring is exposed he does not resign and you fucking hypocritical asshole republican voters keep voting him into office. Fuck all you all worthless motherfucking morons and your family values bullshit. The only value you all share perfectly is you only give a shit about yourselves, period, end of story. No need to reply cause all you will get from me is a big FUCK OFF. So here's one for free just in case you've been missing me. FUCK OFF and shove Sarah Palin up your ass sideways, you might find she actually knows something about your asshole, but it's doubtful.
"Alot of the people on this forum are incredibly stupid, thinking that the internet is real"
Score: 1.0 in the Soap Boxled mike
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Stan Shannon wrote:
but the left seems to be understand it just fine
Seriously, you are still a Republican asshole after all the republican garbage that has happened since I left this site? Wow you are one seriously fucked up asswipe like all the other republicans in america. Lying hypocritical sacks of shit all of you. For the definition of rebulican asshole hypocrites see this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David\_Vitter Vitter votes to impeach Clinton for sex while he is using prostitutes himself. He votes for a family values bill to keep homosexuals from marrying because marriages like his need protecting. Then after all his whoring is exposed he does not resign and you fucking hypocritical asshole republican voters keep voting him into office. Fuck all you all worthless motherfucking morons and your family values bullshit. The only value you all share perfectly is you only give a shit about yourselves, period, end of story. No need to reply cause all you will get from me is a big FUCK OFF. So here's one for free just in case you've been missing me. FUCK OFF and shove Sarah Palin up your ass sideways, you might find she actually knows something about your asshole, but it's doubtful.
"Alot of the people on this forum are incredibly stupid, thinking that the internet is real"
Score: 1.0 in the Soap Boxled mike
Hi, Mike. I see you're off your meds again. Of course I'm still a republican. Because of morons like you, they are the only option non-communists have. Get the radical leftist out of the democrat party, and we might be able to have a civil converstation.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Hi, Mike. I see you're off your meds again. Of course I'm still a republican. Because of morons like you, they are the only option non-communists have. Get the radical leftist out of the democrat party, and we might be able to have a civil converstation.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
and we might be able to have a civil converstation.
What's the point? You had plenty of chances for civil conversations and you responded by turning the word liberal into a pejorative. All the while none of you is man enough to admit you are wrong. Wrong about deregulation ( republicans testified to congress that they should have regulated wallstreet more than they did and it at least partly caused the crisis ). Wrong about the auto industry bailout being bad. The loans are paid back and the industry is rebounding and providing jobs, one of the few places that is happening at a time it is sorely needed. Wrong about health care, one of your own republicans designed the plan that is working perfectly in his state (Mitt Romney) You personally touted republican morality and how they always resigned after they were caught. David Vitter did NOT RESIGN and republican hypocrites re-elected him. Your family values platform is garbage based on facts in history and not opinion and yet you are all still claiming morality is on your side with gay marriage and abortion. Your financial theory is garbage based on facts in history and not opinion and yet you are all still clamoring about smaller govt. and deregulation. You all believe you are correct because you believe yourselves to be superior people, made superior by god because you are his chosen favorites, white christian bigots. You constantly ignore the facts at best and out and out lie at worst. Some idiot fox journalist was questioning a democrat guest about another democrat that compared someone to Nazis when the guest replied that it happens all the time on Fox News. The fox journalist denied it emphatically. So of course the next day people were playing the video clips of all the fox journalists comparing people to Nazis and Hitler including Bill Oreilly. Bill Oreilly said he was taken out of context because he was right and the liberal is comparable to Nazis. So not only does he lie but he is also a giant moron that doesn't know what taken out of context means, and so is anyone who watches that garbage on Fox News. Some of those fox people are dumber than Bill Oreilly. Sarah Palin doesn't know anything about anything and yet just about every republican voted to make her the Vice President. You people are not worth having a conversation with, the facts have proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Fox news and Rush Limbaugh prove it every day with every lie they tell