who will be the next country to product nuclear weapons?
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Andrew Torrance wrote: Zimbabwe LOL, no, not likely at all. Rob Mugabe has trouble understanding how the steps on his corporate jet work, never mind the possibilities of a nuclear bomb. Plus his ambition extends to his borders and no further (except when there are diamonds to plunder in the Congo, but that is about money, not opressing more people.) He may want to nuke Blair though. But hell, Gadafi won't even sell him petrol anymore, so who is going to sell him The Bomb?
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Cape Town, South AfricaShog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul.
Heck -- Mugabe doesn't need to develop a nuke -- seems like he's already doing pretty well at killing his constituents by starvation.. The last estimate I read from CNN was that there would be ~6 million dead within the next 10 years... just due to farm confiscation and denying food to those who didnt' vote for him. _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
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If we wouldn't have (and Nazi Germany beat us to it), we'd all be saying "Heil Hitler!!" now.... _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
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But do you know who had the first Nuclear program? Nazi Germany The US program makes a lot more sense when you think about that. (Imperial Japan had a nuclear program, too.) ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
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How about the Apple version. iBOMB "I was tired of my bombs going off just when it was really inconvenient for me. So I switched. iBomb has been reliable, easy to set and never crashes. My Name is Osama Bin Laden, and I am a........"
Paul Watson wrote: "At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
:laugh: It's even more funny if you read it with an Indian accent. Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
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Damn straight! Not only were we the first to make them, we were the first (and only ones) to make good use of them. :cool: Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
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Seems that nuclear weapons are becoming the 'fashionable' thing to have for a country. New countries developing nuclear weapons seem to be popping up quite often recently. In your opinion, who do you think will be the next country to say the have them? Is the end of the world closer than we think? Jeremy Pullicino Professional C++ Developer Google Search: "really funky" (New Window) The first hit is my web page!
Jeremy Pullicino wrote: Is the end of the world closer than we think? That's a good question. I wonder if the world would be actually more at peace if everyone had nukes. If the Cold war serves as an example, then the answer is Yes. Sure, there will still be tensions, but you'd think that no one would have the balls to launch the nukes for fear of getting obliterated themselves. Well, I guess the problem is that if 200 countries were to have nukes there's a good chance that at least one leader out of those countries would be crazy enough to use them for any stupid reason. I wouldn't put it past Saddam. So the question still remains, what if the US knew that Saddam already had nukes? Would the US so easily go after him for other reasons, such as regime-change? Probably not, which is why we can't allow him to get them. Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
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Black Cat wrote: Texas? Sorry, We have had the facility for a long time already. Where do you think the US buys them from? "I will find a new sig someday."
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If we wouldn't have (and Nazi Germany beat us to it), we'd all be saying "Heil Hitler!!" now.... _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
Nah, he'd be dead of old age by now. you'd all be saying "Heil Wulff" instead. :suss:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Live for today and die tomorrow.
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How about the Apple version. iBOMB "I was tired of my bombs going off just when it was really inconvenient for me. So I switched. iBomb has been reliable, easy to set and never crashes. My Name is Osama Bin Laden, and I am a........"
Paul Watson wrote: "At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
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Heck -- Mugabe doesn't need to develop a nuke -- seems like he's already doing pretty well at killing his constituents by starvation.. The last estimate I read from CNN was that there would be ~6 million dead within the next 10 years... just due to farm confiscation and denying food to those who didnt' vote for him. _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
Yes, it is all rather depressing. My cousins are in Zim and I lived there for 5 years, so I feel for the whole situation.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaShog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul.
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But do you know who had the first Nuclear program? Nazi Germany The US program makes a lot more sense when you think about that. (Imperial Japan had a nuclear program, too.) ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
Brit wrote: Imperial Japan had a nuclear program, too. I saw an interview with a Japanese physicist who worked on that program and he stated that he had no doubt Japan would have used the bomb and, unlike the US, wouldn't have thought twice about it. (Japan was also developing biological weapons and there is evidence they tested them in China near war's end. One reference: http://shenware.virtualave.net/his_unit731.shtml[^].) The biggest problem, of course, was delivery. To solve this, Japan was simultaneously developing a super-long range one-way suicide bomber. If I remember right, some of the plans used German jet engine technology. Fortunately, German physicists made several critical, fundamental mistakes in calculating the amount of fissible material required to make a bomb. (Heisenberg believed you needed 10 tons of pure U-235. Interesting article on this: http://www.sigmaxi.org/amsci/articles/96articles/Logan-7.html[^])
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Andrew Torrance wrote: Zimbabwe LOL, no, not likely at all. Rob Mugabe has trouble understanding how the steps on his corporate jet work, never mind the possibilities of a nuclear bomb. Plus his ambition extends to his borders and no further (except when there are diamonds to plunder in the Congo, but that is about money, not opressing more people.) He may want to nuke Blair though. But hell, Gadafi won't even sell him petrol anymore, so who is going to sell him The Bomb?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaShog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul.
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Does SA have a nuclear arsenal :confused: ?
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
KaЯl wrote: Does SA have a nuclear arsenal I hope not. But then there are countless rumours about SA and all sorts of things. Wether we do or not, we aren't about to use them.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaShog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul.
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iBOMBu + uBOMBi = 0 Peace is everywhere as no one left to fight... Kagetsya dogd' nashinaetsya :)
Marat Bedretdinov wrote: iBOMBu + uBOMBi = 0 This is the formula that makes a premptive strike so attractive to some people.
Paul Watson wrote: "At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
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But do you know who had the first Nuclear program? Nazi Germany The US program makes a lot more sense when you think about that. (Imperial Japan had a nuclear program, too.) ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
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If we wouldn't have (and Nazi Germany beat us to it), we'd all be saying "Heil Hitler!!" now.... _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
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Samsung wrote: Do you know who stole it from them and used? Yes, we all know that the US stole german technology after Nazi Germany was defeated. This and other factors then led America to becoming the overwhelming super power of today. I'm sorry if Samsung doesn't like this, but America is the global policeman. It didn't happen by democratic vote, or UN initiative. It happened because America saved the free world from fascism during WWII, and then saved the world from communism during the Cold War. And now the US is going to save the world from terrorism. I know there's a lot of resentment that America dictates to the world what can and can't happen. However, America is the only nation able to stabilize the world on a global basis. The Russians can't do this and neither can the Chinese. When it comes to getting things done, the UN can't do it. Only America can. I'm sorry that a lot of people hate this, but if any other nation wants a say, they'll have to earn their say. Economic, military, political leadership is earned, not given. If nations want to be relevant on the world stage, they'll have to do more, a lot more.
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Do you know who stole it from them and used? I assume you meant to say, "Do you know who stole it from them and used it?" - and you are saying the "who" in this case is the US? Actually, I'm not sure quite what you mean by "stole" it. The US decided to create a nuclear program only after a number of scientists (including Einstein) said that Germany was creating a nuclear device and if they succeeded it would be a devastating weapon against the Allied powers. In 1939, at the urging of Dr. Leo Szilard, Einstein wrote to President Roosevelt warning of a new discovery of a "nuclear chain reaction in a large mass of uranium." Einstein forewarned President Roosevelt that the discovery of such a reaction could lead to the construction of "extremely powerful bombs of a new type." Einstein also mentioned that Dr. Leo Szilard was working on this and urged the US to find this reaction before Germany. It was Einstein's letter that led President Roosevelt to funding uranium research and later to the Manhattan Project. http://www.nuclearfiles.org/bios/a_e/einsteinalbet.html[^] I do have a question for you though: "Why are you trying so hard to find the US at fault?" Maybe you should examine your motives because your desires are clouding your judgement. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
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Jeremy Pullicino wrote: Is the end of the world closer than we think? That's a good question. I wonder if the world would be actually more at peace if everyone had nukes. If the Cold war serves as an example, then the answer is Yes. Sure, there will still be tensions, but you'd think that no one would have the balls to launch the nukes for fear of getting obliterated themselves. Well, I guess the problem is that if 200 countries were to have nukes there's a good chance that at least one leader out of those countries would be crazy enough to use them for any stupid reason. I wouldn't put it past Saddam. So the question still remains, what if the US knew that Saddam already had nukes? Would the US so easily go after him for other reasons, such as regime-change? Probably not, which is why we can't allow him to get them. Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
That's a good question. I wonder if the world would be actually more at peace if everyone had nukes. If the Cold war serves as an example, then the answer is Yes. Sure, there will still be tensions, but you'd think that no one would have the balls to launch the nukes for fear of getting obliterated themselves. We should be careful about making too much of the MAD (mutual assured destruction) argument. The US and Russia came close to nuclear war*. It's true that the US and Russia did a deadly nuclear dance for 50 years, but two actors and 50 years is a lot different than a dozen or two dozen countries with nuclear capability. Further, as nuclear capability spreads you have to be more concerned with coups, terrorists, and cults buying and selling nukes on the black market. In the case of terrorists and cults - there is no nuclear deterent because they can be hard to target and they may be perfectly willing to die anyway. *In the Cuban missle crisis, a Russian submarine considered launching a nuclear-tipped torpedo at American ships. Two of the three Russian officers abord the sub advocated this. The third one said "no". It had to be determined by a unanimous vote. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/cubanmissilecrisis021011.html[^] ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion