Happy Memorial Day, America
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Kipling also said, 'Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.'
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Its not true, its simp[listic cack. I am surprised at you.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Why see it in a positive sentimental light when soldiers have been responsible for pretty much all the worlds misery?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
Never having been a soldier I have trouble arguing this particular point however I think you are totally wrong, religion is the greatest culprit for causing misery on the planet and soldiers are merely instruments, I believe they do the shit jobs thought up by others and suffer for it.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Kipling's my favorite poet.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Never having been a soldier I have trouble arguing this particular point however I think you are totally wrong, religion is the greatest culprit for causing misery on the planet and soldiers are merely instruments, I believe they do the shit jobs thought up by others and suffer for it.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
religion is the greatest culprit for causing misery on the planet
Greed, power, wealth. Thos are the motivating factors, always were, always will be. The Chruch was only ever a player in the game, a game played by Kings and Queens throuought history.
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
soldiers are merely instruments
Who seem to enjoy the grisly task given to them. Easter front, Germany - Russia. What the soldiers as individuals did to anyone they encountered, be it child, womman, monk, or nun was indescribable.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Why see it in a positive sentimental light when soldiers have been responsible for pretty much all the worlds misery?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
fat_boy wrote:
Why see it in a positive sentimental light when soldiers have been responsible for pretty much all the worlds misery?
Wow, what a pile of over simplistic horse shit. Rarely have soldiers acted of their own volition in such a way and rarely will they ever. If you want to point fingers you might as well point at the philosophers and eulogisers of social, religious or political theory that gets force fed to the masses leading to a concensus that military action is required against the evil [enter your own stereotype here]. You may as well blame the tellers and cashiers for the collapse of the Royal Bank of Scotland.
Rhys "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
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fat_boy wrote:
Why see it in a positive sentimental light when soldiers have been responsible for pretty much all the worlds misery?
Wow, what a pile of over simplistic horse shit. Rarely have soldiers acted of their own volition in such a way and rarely will they ever. If you want to point fingers you might as well point at the philosophers and eulogisers of social, religious or political theory that gets force fed to the masses leading to a concensus that military action is required against the evil [enter your own stereotype here]. You may as well blame the tellers and cashiers for the collapse of the Royal Bank of Scotland.
Rhys "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
You have absoloutely no idea. Take a look at Bosnia. Take a look at Eastern Europe in WWII. You think there is any kind of nobility in soldiering?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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You have absoloutely no idea. Take a look at Bosnia. Take a look at Eastern Europe in WWII. You think there is any kind of nobility in soldiering?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
Neither of which would have been taking place on the scale they did without the eulogising political leadership of one or more countries. Daring to invoke Godwins Law and automatically preclude any further discussion on the matter how would the atrocities of Eastern Europe during WWII have occured without the rise of the Nazi party and its ideology during the preceding 10 to 15 years? Its easy to sit back in the comfort of our own freedoms and naysay men who have lived through and experienced the most terrible and appalling experiences and to expect every single one of them to be able to hold onto all the shreds of civility and understanding that we can from our armchairs. If you send men to hell and back, don't expect them to behave like angels and don't expect the experience to leave them unchanged. They gave up much of what we call our civility or humanity in perpetuity and I for one will be eternally grateful for those relative few that do so in order that many thousands more don't have to. If you don't like it, bite me, but the only reason you're free to say so is because of those soldiers and their sacrifices.
Rhys "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
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fat_boy wrote:
it's simplistic cack
Agreed. Idolising or reviling the military is stupid.
Everybody is elitist to a certain extent; except me - I'm better than that. Micah
Then you are both a Coward and a Fool. I served, I fought, what did you do? Cower behind your mother's apron strings? I agree that you should argue with and denigrate the fools who order soldiers to war, the politicians, but never belittle or insult the soldier. It is those that stand on the line that make your lives tolerable.
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Neither of which would have been taking place on the scale they did without the eulogising political leadership of one or more countries. Daring to invoke Godwins Law and automatically preclude any further discussion on the matter how would the atrocities of Eastern Europe during WWII have occured without the rise of the Nazi party and its ideology during the preceding 10 to 15 years? Its easy to sit back in the comfort of our own freedoms and naysay men who have lived through and experienced the most terrible and appalling experiences and to expect every single one of them to be able to hold onto all the shreds of civility and understanding that we can from our armchairs. If you send men to hell and back, don't expect them to behave like angels and don't expect the experience to leave them unchanged. They gave up much of what we call our civility or humanity in perpetuity and I for one will be eternally grateful for those relative few that do so in order that many thousands more don't have to. If you don't like it, bite me, but the only reason you're free to say so is because of those soldiers and their sacrifices.
Rhys "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
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Eh, ta guele! Je suis Anglais! ;P
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Neither of which would have been taking place on the scale they did without the eulogising political leadership of one or more countries. Daring to invoke Godwins Law and automatically preclude any further discussion on the matter how would the atrocities of Eastern Europe during WWII have occured without the rise of the Nazi party and its ideology during the preceding 10 to 15 years? Its easy to sit back in the comfort of our own freedoms and naysay men who have lived through and experienced the most terrible and appalling experiences and to expect every single one of them to be able to hold onto all the shreds of civility and understanding that we can from our armchairs. If you send men to hell and back, don't expect them to behave like angels and don't expect the experience to leave them unchanged. They gave up much of what we call our civility or humanity in perpetuity and I for one will be eternally grateful for those relative few that do so in order that many thousands more don't have to. If you don't like it, bite me, but the only reason you're free to say so is because of those soldiers and their sacrifices.
Rhys "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
So men only commit acts of wanton cruelty when prompted to do so by some eulogising leader? I mentioned Bosnia first, and the Russians were equally cruel so you cant accuse me of Godwins law abuse. Again, you are being very narrow in your viewpoint. You are ignoring the vast numbers of soldiers who throughout history have not gone to war to protect their fellow mans freedoms but for monetary gain, and the sheer bloodlust pleasure of wanton destruction. And if you think man is not capable of those sentiments then you are really naieve.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Then you are both a Coward and a Fool. I served, I fought, what did you do? Cower behind your mother's apron strings? I agree that you should argue with and denigrate the fools who order soldiers to war, the politicians, but never belittle or insult the soldier. It is those that stand on the line that make your lives tolerable.
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Well fucking said Dave! I'm proud of you and what you did for your country. You and I may not agree on everything but you and I agree on this. :thumbsup:
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
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Then you are both a Coward and a Fool. I served, I fought, what did you do? Cower behind your mother's apron strings? I agree that you should argue with and denigrate the fools who order soldiers to war, the politicians, but never belittle or insult the soldier. It is those that stand on the line that make your lives tolerable.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
5. We should never be afraid to remind politicians about the human cost of war.
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
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It is the soldier, not the minister Who has given us freedom of religion. It is the soldier, not the reporter Who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet Who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer Who has given us freedom to protest. It is the soldier, not the lawyer Who has given us the right to a fair trial. It is the soldier, not the politician Who has given us the right to vote. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protester to burn the flag. ~ Charles M. Province
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Well said
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It is the soldier, not the minister Who has given us freedom of religion. It is the soldier, not the reporter Who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet Who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer Who has given us freedom to protest. It is the soldier, not the lawyer Who has given us the right to a fair trial. It is the soldier, not the politician Who has given us the right to vote. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protester to burn the flag. ~ Charles M. Province
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Is triteness all you're capable of? Excuse me while I go puke.
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It is the soldier, not the minister Who has given us freedom of religion. It is the soldier, not the reporter Who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet Who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer Who has given us freedom to protest. It is the soldier, not the lawyer Who has given us the right to a fair trial. It is the soldier, not the politician Who has given us the right to vote. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protester to burn the flag. ~ Charles M. Province
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Wilfred Owen Dulce Et Decorum Est Bent double, like old beggars under sacks, Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge, Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs And towards our distant rest began to trudge. Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind; Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots Of disappointed shells that dropped behind. GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling, Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time; But someone still was yelling out and stumbling And floundering like a man in fire or lime.-- Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light As under a green sea, I saw him drowning. In all my dreams, before my helpless sight, He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning. If in some smothering dreams you too could pace Behind the wagon that we flung him in, And watch the white eyes writhing in his face, His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin; If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,-- My friend, you would not tell with such high zest To children ardent for some desperate glory, The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.
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So men only commit acts of wanton cruelty when prompted to do so by some eulogising leader? I mentioned Bosnia first, and the Russians were equally cruel so you cant accuse me of Godwins law abuse. Again, you are being very narrow in your viewpoint. You are ignoring the vast numbers of soldiers who throughout history have not gone to war to protect their fellow mans freedoms but for monetary gain, and the sheer bloodlust pleasure of wanton destruction. And if you think man is not capable of those sentiments then you are really naieve.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
fat_boy wrote:
Again, you are being very narrow in your viewpoint. You are ignoring the vast numbers of soldiers who throughout history have not gone to war to protect their fellow mans freedoms but for monetary gain, and the sheer bloodlust pleasure of wanton destruction.
And the narrow view is appropriate. Those are not soldiers you are describing. Those are barbarians with little or no human emotion or morality. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]
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Then you are both a Coward and a Fool. I served, I fought, what did you do? Cower behind your mother's apron strings? I agree that you should argue with and denigrate the fools who order soldiers to war, the politicians, but never belittle or insult the soldier. It is those that stand on the line that make your lives tolerable.
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Fair play to you. Mind if I ask your regiment/corps? I was RAMC, (for only a short time), before blowing both my knees doing the JMQC and being, (ironically), medically discharged.
Rhys "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
