Programmers Who Don't Know HTML
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Sod off Some of us are trying VERY hard to forget the little html we have been forced to pick up over the years. And yep I have a couple of juniors who have absolutely no idea what HTML is, a good thing in winforms developers!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
What about when you want to add web-like controls, such as a button (
<input type="button" />)? Are you saying you don't addWebBrowsercontrols with inline HTML to yourFormand handle events using a ScriptManager? :omg: -
Actually I couldn't even write Hello World in HTML... I'm a winforms developer, don't need to know all that stuff. Although I did have my own phpBB forums on which I 'installed' mods (I had documents saying 'insert code x at line y') etc. So I have a really very tiny little bit of experience I guess. That was before I became a programmer though.
It's an OO world.
Hello, World!
:) Sure, it breaks the W3C[^] standards, but it's still a hello world message ;P
See if you can crack this: b749f6c269a746243debc6488046e33f
So far, no one seems to have cracked this!The unofficial awesome history of Code Project's Bob! "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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Hello, World!
:) Sure, it breaks the W3C[^] standards, but it's still a hello world message ;P
See if you can crack this: b749f6c269a746243debc6488046e33f
So far, no one seems to have cracked this!The unofficial awesome history of Code Project's Bob! "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
Actually, I'm pretty sure this will work in most browsers:
Hello World
Just as long as the file has an HTML extension. :)
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A thought just occurred to me (hey, you shut up, it happens on occassion!). I assume that most developers have had some experience with HTML. I'm not sure why; it just seems like a given to me (however unjustifiable that assumption may be). That may be more true of developers who post in the Lounge, considering we are exposed to HTML regularly. However, I am curious... how many of you know developers who don't know at least some basic HTML? If you are reading this, Chris, might be a good topic for a poll.
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very basic knowledge mainly from the web design class I took along with my degree. I have not worked in it full force, as I left school and landed straight into asp.net/c# development with sql backend etc etc... Bottom line I can recognize it, I know just enough to be dangerous( and give true html programmers a headache I'm sure) and could probably look up on how to do more stuff if I needed too.
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gavindon wrote:
very basic knowledge mainly from the web design class
Eureka! That may be where my prejudice comes from. I guess I assume that all developers have a similar background to me, but as one of the CP polls showed, a good amount of developers never went to college for a degree related to programming, and hence never had to take the "this is a webpage" class.
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A thought just occurred to me (hey, you shut up, it happens on occassion!). I assume that most developers have had some experience with HTML. I'm not sure why; it just seems like a given to me (however unjustifiable that assumption may be). That may be more true of developers who post in the Lounge, considering we are exposed to HTML regularly. However, I am curious... how many of you know developers who don't know at least some basic HTML? If you are reading this, Chris, might be a good topic for a poll.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
I assume that most developers have had some experience with HTML. I'm not sure why; it just seems like a given to me (however unjustifiable that assumption may be). That may be more true of developers who post in the Lounge, considering we are exposed to HTML regularly. However, I am curious... how many of you know developers who don't know at least some basic HTML?
Speaking as a developer, html is a tool that brings all sorts of good things... kinda like bacon. In fact, here (Oh yum!)[^] is some html that brings bacon...
-- Harvey
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What about when you want to add web-like controls, such as a button (
<input type="button" />)? Are you saying you don't addWebBrowsercontrols with inline HTML to yourFormand handle events using a ScriptManager? :omg:I was a 90% winforms dev, under duress I have been known to build ASPX sites, and now do Silverlight, some of us really don't want to build for the web, it really is a crappy platform for business apps. SL/WPF is the closest to a reasonable platform I have seen but I still think winforms is much better. I only build corporate apps, not public facing, and now I'm forced to use the intranet so SL is the decision.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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the lounge uses < b > instead of < strong > i wouldn't hire the lounge. ;P
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The article editor as well, I go to a lot of trouble using <strong> and <em> and they get replaced. Just awful. :sigh:
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A thought just occurred to me (hey, you shut up, it happens on occassion!). I assume that most developers have had some experience with HTML. I'm not sure why; it just seems like a given to me (however unjustifiable that assumption may be). That may be more true of developers who post in the Lounge, considering we are exposed to HTML regularly. However, I am curious... how many of you know developers who don't know at least some basic HTML? If you are reading this, Chris, might be a good topic for a poll.
"Learn HTML in a Weekend", taught me everything I know about HTML.
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"Learn HTML in a Weekend", taught me everything I know about HTML.
So... nothing?
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So... nothing?
Enough to create an XSLT file that converts a table in XML to a table in HTML.
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I was a 90% winforms dev, under duress I have been known to build ASPX sites, and now do Silverlight, some of us really don't want to build for the web, it really is a crappy platform for business apps. SL/WPF is the closest to a reasonable platform I have seen but I still think winforms is much better. I only build corporate apps, not public facing, and now I'm forced to use the intranet so SL is the decision.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Interesting. My preference is WPF > Silverlight > Windows Forms > ASP.NET. I have found WPF to be way more powerful/flexible than Windows Forms.
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Interesting. My preference is WPF > Silverlight > Windows Forms > ASP.NET. I have found WPF to be way more powerful/flexible than Windows Forms.
Yeah but I can make winforms sit up and beg, I've been building winforms of 1 type or another for decades. SL is still a challenge but I figure I have enough of a grip on it to produce LOB apps.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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A thought just occurred to me (hey, you shut up, it happens on occassion!). I assume that most developers have had some experience with HTML. I'm not sure why; it just seems like a given to me (however unjustifiable that assumption may be). That may be more true of developers who post in the Lounge, considering we are exposed to HTML regularly. However, I am curious... how many of you know developers who don't know at least some basic HTML? If you are reading this, Chris, might be a good topic for a poll.
I'm sitting beside one, which is very frustrating given he has a degree and 3 years commercial experience in ASP.NET and we are all but exclusively a web development team. 4 days it's taken him to add a form tag around some HTML given to us by the design team and hook it up to post to Monorail with its DataBinder. Can't wait until I tell him it has to have Javascript (ooooohhh! what's that??) for some simple validation... Actually, what's worse do you think? Programmers who don't know HTML or BA's that think they do?
Typical n-tiered architecture: DB <-> Junk(0) <-> ... <-> Junk(n-1) <-> Pretty
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The article editor as well, I go to a lot of trouble using <strong> and <em> and they get replaced. Just awful. :sigh:
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
The article editor as well, I go to a lot of trouble using <strong> and <em> and they get replaced.
... By something that does exactly the same thing.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Just awful.
Er, yeah. Isn't it?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I'm sitting beside one, which is very frustrating given he has a degree and 3 years commercial experience in ASP.NET and we are all but exclusively a web development team. 4 days it's taken him to add a form tag around some HTML given to us by the design team and hook it up to post to Monorail with its DataBinder. Can't wait until I tell him it has to have Javascript (ooooohhh! what's that??) for some simple validation... Actually, what's worse do you think? Programmers who don't know HTML or BA's that think they do?
Typical n-tiered architecture: DB <-> Junk(0) <-> ... <-> Junk(n-1) <-> Pretty
GlobX wrote:
Actually, what's worse do you think? Programmers who don't know HTML or BA's that think they do?
Someone who thinks he knows something while he doesn't is worse than someone who just doesn't know something. At least the latter doesn't have an attitude ;) I don't know html and I can happily admit it :)
It's an OO world.
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The article editor as well, I go to a lot of trouble using <strong> and <em> and they get replaced. Just awful. :sigh:
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A thought just occurred to me (hey, you shut up, it happens on occassion!). I assume that most developers have had some experience with HTML. I'm not sure why; it just seems like a given to me (however unjustifiable that assumption may be). That may be more true of developers who post in the Lounge, considering we are exposed to HTML regularly. However, I am curious... how many of you know developers who don't know at least some basic HTML? If you are reading this, Chris, might be a good topic for a poll.
Only know the basics. I try to steer away from web development, though increasingly seem to be forced onto it. I suppose it helps to have a more varied skill set etc though, but I generally find web development a nightmare compared to development for windows (regardless whether the windows dev is WinForms, MFC, WPF, direct Win32 API, etc). Having to deal with things like different web browsers and trying to figure out how to debug ajax stuff irritates me, though I guess part of it comes down to what you're used to and I've a lot more experience in the windows world.
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A thought just occurred to me (hey, you shut up, it happens on occassion!). I assume that most developers have had some experience with HTML. I'm not sure why; it just seems like a given to me (however unjustifiable that assumption may be). That may be more true of developers who post in the Lounge, considering we are exposed to HTML regularly. However, I am curious... how many of you know developers who don't know at least some basic HTML? If you are reading this, Chris, might be a good topic for a poll.
Good question. There are still developers who support and maintain desktop apps, such as myself, and have never had a need to be 'touching' HTML. I don't consider myself unique as I'm sure there are plenty of other people working similar to myself. In a way we are proof of the point that Pete O'Hanlon was making in his recent blog post about Windows 8. All these new technologies come along and do not make previous ones, obsolete. Rather they are just additions to already existing ones and in some cases provide complimentary or improved benefits. :)
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A thought just occurred to me (hey, you shut up, it happens on occassion!). I assume that most developers have had some experience with HTML. I'm not sure why; it just seems like a given to me (however unjustifiable that assumption may be). That may be more true of developers who post in the Lounge, considering we are exposed to HTML regularly. However, I am curious... how many of you know developers who don't know at least some basic HTML? If you are reading this, Chris, might be a good topic for a poll.
