Time for Chrome to go
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
"dough" and "doe"
Don't forget "Doh!"
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
why does "dough" sound like "doe", but "tough" doesn't sound like "toe"?
Gallegher has a great bit on this. My favorite is when he pronounces "daughter" like "laughter" - it comes out "dafter" :laugh: [edit]Ooops, typo correction[/edit]
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Some dialects of English used to use the "dafter" pronunciation of "daughter", so it's not so outlandish.
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I am aware of when to use all of the above but the simple truth is that I type instinctively to what I hear (in my head) therefore I will often make these "sounds like" mistakes. Of course, the question is should I care? And the answer really is no. This is no professional forum where I need to make sure my spelling is correct to keep up appearances - I know there are a lot of grammar sensitive people around here, but I am sure anyone would agree; the most important part of these "communications" (posts) is that they are understood, rather than that they are spelling correctly. Point being, if you can point out when someone has made a grammar mistake, then you must have understood the post (and is therefore not an important mistake) BTW, this is just my opinion and is in no way meant as a rant at you or anybody else
If my jokes make me laugh, then I have already succeeded with 100% of my target audience
It's easier to use the same high quality of English everywhere than to let it slide in forums and then have to struggle to recall how to use it properly when you need to. Spelling is important: if I start spelling "left" as "right" and "right" as "left", you would get very lost if I gave you directions!
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You are in a minority - although a very vocal minority. Most web pages are developed using a Microsoft product. Thus, the target browser is IE. From Browser Statistics Internet Explorer 8: 33% Firefox 3: 23% Internet Explorer 6: 13% Internet Explorer 7: 9% Google Chrome: 7% Safari (all versions): 3% All that I'm saying is that the Chrome development team missed the mark. Not that Chrome is bad. Just that I experience significant difficulties with it.
A lot depends on your source. The browser statistics[^] for the W3 schools shows that, as of May, 2011, IE users made up only 24.9% of their visitor base. Firefox was used by 42.4% of their visitors, and Chrome was 25.6%. These stats are taken directly from the site's visitor logs. In my company, I actually design for Firefox, with IE using a special CSS block when needed. We have a very small web user base, and few of them are technically literate, so I don't worry about Chrome, Opera or any of the others.
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I am aware of when to use all of the above but the simple truth is that I type instinctively to what I hear (in my head) therefore I will often make these "sounds like" mistakes. Of course, the question is should I care? And the answer really is no. This is no professional forum where I need to make sure my spelling is correct to keep up appearances - I know there are a lot of grammar sensitive people around here, but I am sure anyone would agree; the most important part of these "communications" (posts) is that they are understood, rather than that they are spelling correctly. Point being, if you can point out when someone has made a grammar mistake, then you must have understood the post (and is therefore not an important mistake) BTW, this is just my opinion and is in no way meant as a rant at you or anybody else
If my jokes make me laugh, then I have already succeeded with 100% of my target audience
musefan wrote:
the most important part of these "communications" (posts) is that they are understood, rather than that they are spelling correctly
I disagree. For those fluent in English, incorrectly spelled words and/or invalid syntax disrupts the flow of the communication, annoys the hell out of the recipient, and dilutes the intended message. Not only are the messages not understood, but further commu nication is intentioinally avoided, thus harming the intent of the original message. THAT is the primary cause of tension and even outright hostility in internet message exchanges on a site like this.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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musefan wrote:
the most important part of these "communications" (posts) is that they are understood, rather than that they are spelling correctly
I disagree. For those fluent in English, incorrectly spelled words and/or invalid syntax disrupts the flow of the communication, annoys the hell out of the recipient, and dilutes the intended message. Not only are the messages not understood, but further commu nication is intentioinally avoided, thus harming the intent of the original message. THAT is the primary cause of tension and even outright hostility in internet message exchanges on a site like this.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John, off-topic, but a big moment is coming up. I mean CG. :)
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musefan wrote:
the most important part of these "communications" (posts) is that they are understood, rather than that they are spelling correctly
I disagree. For those fluent in English, incorrectly spelled words and/or invalid syntax disrupts the flow of the communication, annoys the hell out of the recipient, and dilutes the intended message. Not only are the messages not understood, but further commu nication is intentioinally avoided, thus harming the intent of the original message. THAT is the primary cause of tension and even outright hostility in internet message exchanges on a site like this.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
but further commu nication is intentioinally avoided
Are you trying to discourage replies to your post?
Pete
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A lot depends on your source. The browser statistics[^] for the W3 schools shows that, as of May, 2011, IE users made up only 24.9% of their visitor base. Firefox was used by 42.4% of their visitors, and Chrome was 25.6%. These stats are taken directly from the site's visitor logs. In my company, I actually design for Firefox, with IE using a special CSS block when needed. We have a very small web user base, and few of them are technically literate, so I don't worry about Chrome, Opera or any of the others.
Gregory.Gadow wrote:
A lot depends on your source. The browser statistics[^] for the W3 schools shows that, as of May, 2011, IE users made up only 24.9% of their visitor base. Firefox was used by 42.4% of their visitors, and Chrome was 25.6%. These stats are taken directly from the site's visitor logs.
Sure, but isn't that expected at a site like w3schools? They're not exactly your average web users. I'm sure the stats for espn.com and facebook look a good deal different.
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A lot depends on your source. The browser statistics[^] for the W3 schools shows that, as of May, 2011, IE users made up only 24.9% of their visitor base. Firefox was used by 42.4% of their visitors, and Chrome was 25.6%. These stats are taken directly from the site's visitor logs. In my company, I actually design for Firefox, with IE using a special CSS block when needed. We have a very small web user base, and few of them are technically literate, so I don't worry about Chrome, Opera or any of the others.
I think that for our readers' sake, we should include the following paragraphs in our discussion.
W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to the browser that comes preinstalled with their computer, and do not seek out other browser alternatives.
These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is a more popular browser.
Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools' log-files, over many years, clearly shows the long and medium-term trends.
When I looked for statistics, I saw these paragraphs and chose to use another source. I personally do not believe that, in the general population, FF or Chrome have greater usage than IE. Maybe we need a better statistics source.
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It's easier to use the same high quality of English everywhere than to let it slide in forums and then have to struggle to recall how to use it properly when you need to. Spelling is important: if I start spelling "left" as "right" and "right" as "left", you would get very lost if I gave you directions!
I think you have lost the point I was making. Firstly, it is not easier to use the same high quality English because it means you have to go slower and/or re-read your posts. My point isn't write completely different words and it is not a problem. I was simply talking about words that sound the same. Readers know what is intended when I use there, their or they're. They understand because they apply the context on the rest of the sentence, just the same as would be applied to determine which version to use. All my sounds like mistakes are automatic, therefore I do not forget how to use them properly because I don'y realise I am making the mistakes. I don't need to
If my jokes make me laugh, then I have already succeeded with 100% of my target audience
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musefan wrote:
Of course, the question is should I care? And the answer really is no.
Pete
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musefan wrote:
the most important part of these "communications" (posts) is that they are understood, rather than that they are spelling correctly
I disagree. For those fluent in English, incorrectly spelled words and/or invalid syntax disrupts the flow of the communication, annoys the hell out of the recipient, and dilutes the intended message. Not only are the messages not understood, but further commu nication is intentioinally avoided, thus harming the intent of the original message. THAT is the primary cause of tension and even outright hostility in internet message exchanges on a site like this.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Like I said, I know you all care about your grammar but the cause of the tension in this regard is simple people putting to much importance on correct spelling and grammar. If Chrome shows a red squiggle then I will correct it, otherwise I probably won't notice. I think if anything is a cause of hostility then it is the misunderstanding of the mood of a person who is writing something. For example, you could easily take this message as a hostile attack on yourself, but it is simply me just debating my point. Opinions are only right to those who agree with them, and not everyone will agree on somebody's opinion
If my jokes make me laugh, then I have already succeeded with 100% of my target audience
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Like I said, I know you all care about your grammar but the cause of the tension in this regard is simple people putting to much importance on correct spelling and grammar. If Chrome shows a red squiggle then I will correct it, otherwise I probably won't notice. I think if anything is a cause of hostility then it is the misunderstanding of the mood of a person who is writing something. For example, you could easily take this message as a hostile attack on yourself, but it is simply me just debating my point. Opinions are only right to those who agree with them, and not everyone will agree on somebody's opinion
If my jokes make me laugh, then I have already succeeded with 100% of my target audience
musefan wrote:
I think if anything is a cause of hostility then it is the misunderstanding of the mood of a person who is writing something.
So you would have us believe that someone will write well enough for us to understand what "mood" they're writing in, even though they can't even make the effort to spell half their words correctly, or follow basic rules of grammar? Getting meaning, intent, and mood right is a damned sight harder than spelling and grammar, and requires a lot more effort.
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I'm sorry, Google. The time has come to tell you that you need to withdraw Chrome. Although I love your search engine, I have grown to dislike your browser. Why? First, as a developer, I am again facing the "browser wars." Something that works well in Firefox, IE, Opera, and Safari, requires an inordinate amount of time to get working in Chrome. And I've tried - tried very hard to make my HTML, CSS, and Javascript work across browsers. But usually I find myself Googling for Chrome solutions. Secondly, the Google Chrome development team is arrogant. I understand the frustration that the team may feel in trying to keep standards compliant, but to reject a large percentage of the development community requests for repair is arrogant and ill-conceived. Standards can be wrong! They are the creations of humans and are fraught with misinterpretations and possibly downright errors. I speak from personal experience as a former member of the X3J9 standards technical committee. Google, you have a looser on your hands. And I think that is true in both the marketplace (ranking just above Bing) as well as in the developer community. So I suggest that you fix it or throw it.
Of late my Chrome is not able to display the Unicode properly. FF and system applications work fine. Weird.
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gggustafson wrote:
So I suggest that you fix it or throw it.
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I'm sorry, Google. The time has come to tell you that you need to withdraw Chrome. Although I love your search engine, I have grown to dislike your browser. Why? First, as a developer, I am again facing the "browser wars." Something that works well in Firefox, IE, Opera, and Safari, requires an inordinate amount of time to get working in Chrome. And I've tried - tried very hard to make my HTML, CSS, and Javascript work across browsers. But usually I find myself Googling for Chrome solutions. Secondly, the Google Chrome development team is arrogant. I understand the frustration that the team may feel in trying to keep standards compliant, but to reject a large percentage of the development community requests for repair is arrogant and ill-conceived. Standards can be wrong! They are the creations of humans and are fraught with misinterpretations and possibly downright errors. I speak from personal experience as a former member of the X3J9 standards technical committee. Google, you have a looser on your hands. And I think that is true in both the marketplace (ranking just above Bing) as well as in the developer community. So I suggest that you fix it or throw it.
What sort of things are you doing that mess up in Chrome? I've never, ever had a problem with pages rendering in Chrome, whether it was a project at work or a project at home. Every once in a while I hear someone complain about pages rendering in Chrome but I have yet to come across a single problem. :confused:
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I'm sorry, Google. The time has come to tell you that you need to withdraw Chrome. Although I love your search engine, I have grown to dislike your browser. Why? First, as a developer, I am again facing the "browser wars." Something that works well in Firefox, IE, Opera, and Safari, requires an inordinate amount of time to get working in Chrome. And I've tried - tried very hard to make my HTML, CSS, and Javascript work across browsers. But usually I find myself Googling for Chrome solutions. Secondly, the Google Chrome development team is arrogant. I understand the frustration that the team may feel in trying to keep standards compliant, but to reject a large percentage of the development community requests for repair is arrogant and ill-conceived. Standards can be wrong! They are the creations of humans and are fraught with misinterpretations and possibly downright errors. I speak from personal experience as a former member of the X3J9 standards technical committee. Google, you have a looser on your hands. And I think that is true in both the marketplace (ranking just above Bing) as well as in the developer community. So I suggest that you fix it or throw it.
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I'm sorry, Google. The time has come to tell you that you need to withdraw Chrome. Although I love your search engine, I have grown to dislike your browser. Why? First, as a developer, I am again facing the "browser wars." Something that works well in Firefox, IE, Opera, and Safari, requires an inordinate amount of time to get working in Chrome. And I've tried - tried very hard to make my HTML, CSS, and Javascript work across browsers. But usually I find myself Googling for Chrome solutions. Secondly, the Google Chrome development team is arrogant. I understand the frustration that the team may feel in trying to keep standards compliant, but to reject a large percentage of the development community requests for repair is arrogant and ill-conceived. Standards can be wrong! They are the creations of humans and are fraught with misinterpretations and possibly downright errors. I speak from personal experience as a former member of the X3J9 standards technical committee. Google, you have a looser on your hands. And I think that is true in both the marketplace (ranking just above Bing) as well as in the developer community. So I suggest that you fix it or throw it.
Why? Pages I develop work fine in Chrome/FireFox/Opera, the one that causes me nightmares almost every day of my working life is IE because it resolutely objects to being standards compliant, it's developer tools are lacking when compared to Chrome Developer Tools and Firebug (sorry, I've not tried DragonFly) and it's just a massive pain in the posterior. I mean any browser which needs 4 different rendering modes just needs dragging out into the street and shooting (http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/ie8-mode.png[^]) Standards exist for a reason, they might not always be the popular choice but at least they work if you stick to them.
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gggustafson wrote:
My spellchecker let me down.
Actually, it didn't. "looser" is a real word, so the spell-checker was correctly doing it's job. What we need in browsers is a lexical parser that can determine what you're trying to say and indicate where you might want to use a different word. This would be a boon to people that don't know when to use 0) "there", "their", and "they're" 1) "too", "to", and "two" 2) "it's" and "its" 3) "see", "sea", and "si". 4) "site" and "sight" 5) "dough" and "doe" 6) "so" and "sew" BTW, why does "dough" sound like "doe", but "tough" doesn't sound like "toe"? It's no wonder English is so hard to learn...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997(Pedantry warning) You're mixing terms here. A lexical analyser does the lexical level: so the spell checker already does that. A parser (grammar analyser) checks that the usage is valid. We need grammatical analysis that is able to check for "close" lexemes (words).
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:thumbsup: IE is the better option. I like it. Sometimes even firefox does not position correctly. ;P
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Its odd then that IE is the browser that consistently scores lower on standards compliance. I know there's a lot of MS developers here, but to try and pretend that because something doesn't render like IE it is broken is shocking. IE is the single browser that breaks web compatibility more than all others, although improving from IE9 onwards.
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gggustafson wrote:
Google, you have a looser on your hands.
A looser what? I suspect you meant "loser".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
