c# Casting v As operator
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Somebody didn't read the subject of the post.
Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.
:wtf: are you going on about.
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I'd say more of a debate, but as we all know rules of the lounge, I'd say just go along with it and chill :)
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I seem to have upset some voters along the way. :-D
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:wtf: are you going on about.
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Sahir seems to be comparing C# casts with a handler of equine animals.
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Sahir seems to be comparing C# casts with a handler of equine animals.
:) Indeed, at this rate he's going to hit an exception that he may not like.
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For those using c#, what do you prefer? A.
SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;
or B.
SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;
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I prefer directly throwing. :)
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:wtf: are you going on about.
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Well in brief, if you are in the shower and drop the soap and there is an operator mentioned in the subject line around, there is a good chance he might be a hominid. I wouldn't advise you to try and pick up the soap.
Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.
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Thanks Ennis - I'm a poor programmer then because I use
as, rather than the double cast, which is doing the same work again. What happens internally withasis that it checks to see if the variable is of the type, and if it is it returns a non-null pointer to that type. With theisoperator, you check to see if it is of the type and then you cast it - which still determines internally whether or not it belongs to that type (this is how it throws anInvalidTypeException). In any case where you are using code-discovery, such as IoC, then theascall is more efficient. [Edit]I should add that this relates to our plugin code where the client provides their own logic, and "forgets" to implement the appropriate interfaces.[/Edit]Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Well a smart language like C# should provide the construct this way:
if (e is MyObject)
{
// here call MyObject methods on e
}:rolleyes:
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As is for poor programmers. If you know that e always is SomeObject then e should be typed as such using some other method. Otherwise you always have to check the result of the as operation. So then you have the following two scenarios which must always be in case A or case B:
if(e is SomeObject){
SomeObject someObject = (SomeObject)e;
}or
SomeObject someobject = e as SomeObject;
if(someObject != null){}
But then in case by I always here the response ... but I know e is always SomeObject. Really then maybe it should be defined as such. The AS operator is designed solely to support developers that don't have a fundamental concept of type. After all, for all of the time I have seen the is operator used with a subsequent cast, checking for null after the AS is a white rhinoceros.
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I use the (cast) only when I know 'e is always SomeObject'. Which is a rare case - think stuff like
(ThisClass)base.MemberwiseClone(). Otherwise, I preferas+ null check overis+ cast. It looks cleaner to me, and is also more performant. 'a is T' gets compiled to the same IL as '(a as T) != null', sois+ cast ends up casting twice (and last time I checked, the JIT was too dumb to optimize that). -
I use the (cast) only when I know 'e is always SomeObject'. Which is a rare case - think stuff like
(ThisClass)base.MemberwiseClone(). Otherwise, I preferas+ null check overis+ cast. It looks cleaner to me, and is also more performant. 'a is T' gets compiled to the same IL as '(a as T) != null', sois+ cast ends up casting twice (and last time I checked, the JIT was too dumb to optimize that).Like I said, my problem is that most developers that use AS do not subsequently check for null. The fact that the .NET framework is written stupidly is a completely other rant. (IMHO AS should use IS and not the other way around).
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Like I said, my problem is that most developers that use AS do not subsequently check for null. The fact that the .NET framework is written stupidly is a completely other rant. (IMHO AS should use IS and not the other way around).
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
AS should use IS and not the other way around
How that? 'a as B' should be compiled to 'a is B ? (B)a : null'? That would be horribly stupid. Consider how this works on the assembly level: 'is' is a function that takes an object and a type token, performs a type test, returns non-zero if successful, zero otherwise. 'as' is a function that takes an object and a type token, performs a type test, returns the object if successful, null otherwise. Given that objects are non-zero by definition, it makes perfect sense to use the same function for both, and that's exactly what .NET does. What's stupid is that the JIT optimizer is so dumb that this leads to a performance difference visible to the programmer. If the JIT could simply optimize away redundant casts, nobody would have to care what as/is/casts compile to.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
AS should use IS and not the other way around
How that? 'a as B' should be compiled to 'a is B ? (B)a : null'? That would be horribly stupid. Consider how this works on the assembly level: 'is' is a function that takes an object and a type token, performs a type test, returns non-zero if successful, zero otherwise. 'as' is a function that takes an object and a type token, performs a type test, returns the object if successful, null otherwise. Given that objects are non-zero by definition, it makes perfect sense to use the same function for both, and that's exactly what .NET does. What's stupid is that the JIT optimizer is so dumb that this leads to a performance difference visible to the programmer. If the JIT could simply optimize away redundant casts, nobody would have to care what as/is/casts compile to.
What do you think AS is doing now?
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For those using c#, what do you prefer? A.
SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;
or B.
SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;
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As others have probably pointed out (but I'm too lazy to read the rest of the thread), the two versions do different things. 'A' throws an
InvalidCastExceptionif the cast isn't possible. 'B' setsobjtonullif the cast doesn't work. Both are valid approaches, depending on the rest of your code.Software Zen:
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For those using c#, what do you prefer? A.
SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;
or B.
SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;
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Like others have mentioned, us "as" when the object may be the wrong type. Also, "as" cannot be used for non-reference types (e.g.,
int).Help a brotha out and vote Managing Your JavaScript Library in ASP.NET as the best ASP.NET article of May 2011.
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I seem to have upset some voters along the way. :-D
It all balances out in the long run :)
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As is for poor programmers. If you know that e always is SomeObject then e should be typed as such using some other method. Otherwise you always have to check the result of the as operation. So then you have the following two scenarios which must always be in case A or case B:
if(e is SomeObject){
SomeObject someObject = (SomeObject)e;
}or
SomeObject someobject = e as SomeObject;
if(someObject != null){}
But then in case by I always here the response ... but I know e is always SomeObject. Really then maybe it should be defined as such. The AS operator is designed solely to support developers that don't have a fundamental concept of type. After all, for all of the time I have seen the is operator used with a subsequent cast, checking for null after the AS is a white rhinoceros.
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Hear hear! Except for that I don't like your first example; I do that to pass the cast value to another method.
if(e is SomeObject){
F ( (SomeObject) e ) ;
}If I'm setting a variable or field I use
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Thanks Ennis - I'm a poor programmer then because I use
as, rather than the double cast, which is doing the same work again. What happens internally withasis that it checks to see if the variable is of the type, and if it is it returns a non-null pointer to that type. With theisoperator, you check to see if it is of the type and then you cast it - which still determines internally whether or not it belongs to that type (this is how it throws anInvalidTypeException). In any case where you are using code-discovery, such as IoC, then theascall is more efficient. [Edit]I should add that this relates to our plugin code where the client provides their own logic, and "forgets" to implement the appropriate interfaces.[/Edit]Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
and "forgets" to implement the appropriate interfaces.
Then you throw an Exception and don't allow that malformed plug-in.
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For those using c#, what do you prefer? A.
SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;
or B.
SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;
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"Note that the as operator only performs reference conversions and boxing conversions. The as operator cannot perform other conversions, such as user-defined conversions, which should instead be performed using cast expressions." Two of three C# books I have here don't mention
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I use the (cast) only when I know 'e is always SomeObject'. Which is a rare case - think stuff like
(ThisClass)base.MemberwiseClone(). Otherwise, I preferas+ null check overis+ cast. It looks cleaner to me, and is also more performant. 'a is T' gets compiled to the same IL as '(a as T) != null', sois+ cast ends up casting twice (and last time I checked, the JIT was too dumb to optimize that)." More formally, an expression of the form, Copyexpression as type is equivalent to, Copyexpression is type ? (type)expression : (type)null " http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cscsdfbt(v=VS.80).aspx[^]
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" More formally, an expression of the form, Copyexpression as type is equivalent to, Copyexpression is type ? (type)expression : (type)null " http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cscsdfbt(v=VS.80).aspx[^]
Yes that's the specification of the behavior, but not how it's implemented.
Eric Lippert wrote:
The specification is clear on this point;
as(in the non-dynamic case) is defined as a syntactic sugar foris. However, in practice the CLR provides us instructionisinst, which ironically acts likeas. Therefore we have an instruction which implements the semantics ofaspretty well, from which we can build an implementation ofis. In short, de jureisisis, andasis asisis, but de factoisisasandasisisinst.http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericlippert/archive/2010/09/16/is-is-as-or-is-as-is.aspx[^]