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  • W wizardzz

    Do you have more than 1 work computer? If forced into this situation, I would dedicate one bare bones box for this, and go on with my life on my main box.

    "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.

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    Judah Gabriel Himango
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    I don't have this option, unfortunately.

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      Network admin just sent out an email to our 50+ person team saying, [paraphrased]

      "I'm moving TFS source control to [secure offsite server]. Starting Monday, you'll need to change your TFS connection. But because the connection requires a company-approved VPN, you'll need to physically connect your computer to the network via an ethernet cable. Also, you'll need to install [company-approved VPN app] to make the connection work. Also, because of the VPN, you'll no longer be able to access your email via [desktop app]. Instead, you'll have to use the [crappy, half-assed web mail]. Also, because of the VPN, you'll no longer be able to chat with the rest of the team via [normal app]. Instead, you'll have to install [some other half-assed app]."

      TL;DR: Our source control works fine now, but our network admin wants to move it to a secure server, and in doing so, we are forced to physically connect to the network via ethernet cable, use crappy company webmail, install a VPN tool, install a separate chat client, and manually "go online" in Visual Studio every time we undock our laptops. This is insane, is it not?

      Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
      Judah Himango

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      realJSOP
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      I've given up trying to figure out sys admins. Their sole purpose in life is to make it as hard as possible for people to break in to coproate systems. Of course, this makes it all that more difficult to actually use theose same systems by an authorized user. It seems that neither of those two things are compatible.

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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        If it was just VPN, ok. But we're talking: switching mail clients, chat clients, VPN tool, and ethernet. Just so that source control is a little more secure. This is insane; this is not how you run a software company.

        Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
        Judah Himango

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        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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        that's what you get for working at a company who's IT Dept is run by a Mohel.

        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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          that's what you get for working at a company who's IT Dept is run by a Mohel.

          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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          Judah Gabriel Himango
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          LOL. Pretty sure he's a goy!

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            LOL. Pretty sure he's a goy!

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            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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            he may be a gentile, but as Forest Gump would say: "Mohel is as Mohel does"

            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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            • realJSOPR realJSOP

              I've given up trying to figure out sys admins. Their sole purpose in life is to make it as hard as possible for people to break in to coproate systems. Of course, this makes it all that more difficult to actually use theose same systems by an authorized user. It seems that neither of those two things are compatible.

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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              GuyThiebaut
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              A lot of the time, for sys admins, I think it is a case of CYA - in that if they had the option they would be happy to help, except their boss is breathing down their neck with regards to security... And yes lots of time is wasted, money lost etc - I sometimes think that if everything was open source it would just make life a heck of a lot easier - because strangely enough competition is actually good for a company(I know try telling that to Apple)...

              Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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              • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                If it was just VPN, ok. But we're talking: switching mail clients, chat clients, VPN tool, and ethernet. Just so that source control is a little more secure. This is insane; this is not how you run a software company.

                Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
                Judah Himango

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                Judah Himango wrote:

                This is insane; this is not how you run a software company.

                Unless you're the company supplying the new mail client, chat client, and VPN tool. :)

                WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your a$$ will be laminated. There are 10 kinds of people in the world: People who know binary and people who don't.

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                  I've given up trying to figure out sys admins. Their sole purpose in life is to make it as hard as possible for people to break in to coproate systems. Of course, this makes it all that more difficult to actually use theose same systems by an authorized user. It seems that neither of those two things are compatible.

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                  -----
                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                  Tom Delany
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                  Mordac! http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Mordac[^]

                  WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your a$$ will be laminated. There are 10 kinds of people in the world: People who know binary and people who don't.

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                    Mordac! http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Mordac[^]

                    WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your a$$ will be laminated. There are 10 kinds of people in the world: People who know binary and people who don't.

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                    Henry Minute
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                    Excellent!:thumbsup:

                    Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                    • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                      I don't have this option, unfortunately.

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                      Kyle Sponable
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                      Yet another reason management (who obviously directed the sys admin to do this) is the mother of all problems in IT

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                        Network admin just sent out an email to our 50+ person team saying, [paraphrased]

                        "I'm moving TFS source control to [secure offsite server]. Starting Monday, you'll need to change your TFS connection. But because the connection requires a company-approved VPN, you'll need to physically connect your computer to the network via an ethernet cable. Also, you'll need to install [company-approved VPN app] to make the connection work. Also, because of the VPN, you'll no longer be able to access your email via [desktop app]. Instead, you'll have to use the [crappy, half-assed web mail]. Also, because of the VPN, you'll no longer be able to chat with the rest of the team via [normal app]. Instead, you'll have to install [some other half-assed app]."

                        TL;DR: Our source control works fine now, but our network admin wants to move it to a secure server, and in doing so, we are forced to physically connect to the network via ethernet cable, use crappy company webmail, install a VPN tool, install a separate chat client, and manually "go online" in Visual Studio every time we undock our laptops. This is insane, is it not?

                        Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
                        Judah Himango

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                        David Crow
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                        When it comes time to check in/out your code, send a request to your network admin. After several of those from your team, he may decide against the change.

                        "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                        "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                        "Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather

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                          Network admin just sent out an email to our 50+ person team saying, [paraphrased]

                          "I'm moving TFS source control to [secure offsite server]. Starting Monday, you'll need to change your TFS connection. But because the connection requires a company-approved VPN, you'll need to physically connect your computer to the network via an ethernet cable. Also, you'll need to install [company-approved VPN app] to make the connection work. Also, because of the VPN, you'll no longer be able to access your email via [desktop app]. Instead, you'll have to use the [crappy, half-assed web mail]. Also, because of the VPN, you'll no longer be able to chat with the rest of the team via [normal app]. Instead, you'll have to install [some other half-assed app]."

                          TL;DR: Our source control works fine now, but our network admin wants to move it to a secure server, and in doing so, we are forced to physically connect to the network via ethernet cable, use crappy company webmail, install a VPN tool, install a separate chat client, and manually "go online" in Visual Studio every time we undock our laptops. This is insane, is it not?

                          Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
                          Judah Himango

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                          BobJanova
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                          Yes, it is insane. If your network admin is a reasonable guy, have a word with him and explain how much of your time it will waste. Assuming the source control is inside the company network now, it should be protected enough (after all it only needs to be as protected as each developer machine, since those have the full source on them).

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                            Yes, it is insane. If your network admin is a reasonable guy, have a word with him and explain how much of your time it will waste. Assuming the source control is inside the company network now, it should be protected enough (after all it only needs to be as protected as each developer machine, since those have the full source on them).

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                            Judah Gabriel Himango
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                            I did just that. He is a reasonable guy, he said he'll try to alleviate some of the problems (with real solutions, so he wasn't just blowing smoke). :thumbsup:

                            Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
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                              When it comes time to check in/out your code, send a request to your network admin. After several of those from your team, he may decide against the change.

                              "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                              "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                              "Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather

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                              Judah Gabriel Himango
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                              This is actually sound advice: to change others, make them feel the pain you're feeling. They'll soon take your side and argue on behalf of you. :thumbsup:

                              Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
                              Judah Himango

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